To a degree games will have to be scaled down to whatever the first batch of consoles can handle but there should be visual effects added to those new consoles' skus. Better than nothing.
Option 3 would go counter to everything Kotaku leaked.
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Eurogamer: Independently confirms source that the PS4.5 is real, referred as PS 4K
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To a degree games will have to be scaled down to whatever the first batch of consoles can handle but there should be visual effects added to those new consoles' skus. Better than nothing.
Option 3 would go counter to everything Kotaku leaked.
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I think that is the plan for MS, but I'm not so sure that is what Sony has planned. Getting games to be compatible and scale with different hardware revisions is going to require a massive amount of API engineering, which seems to be exactly what MS is doing with UWP. I don't see Sony putting in the resources to pull that off when they cant even manage a decent OS update schedule.
Just my opinion of course, but I think MS is going the no more generations route, and the PS4 update is just going to be a 4K enabled version of the system with 4K scaling for games and maybe some added VR support.
Option 3 is the only way I would be cool with a PS4K. If that isn't the case, then I'm out regarding getting a PS4 :l. I see this more of a PSP 2000 of the PS4; a bit faster/more powerful but not by that much.
Movalpolos
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Nothing is changing for games, it will be a 4K media player.
At most I can see it having an upscaler for 4K displays.
This puts things back into perspective.
The other thread was filled with people expecting a 400/500$ box with the equivalent of a 980ti+i7 or minimum 970+i5.
The thing is, they will continue using off the shelf parts, so don't expect super blast processing, coding to the metal or cell-power magic.
The other thread was filled with people expecting a 400/500$ box with the equivalent of a 980ti+i7 or minimum 970+i5.
The thing is, they will continue using off the shelf parts, so don't expect super blast processing, coding to the metal or cell-power magic.
LostDonkey
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Disaster Nebraska
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Option 3 seems the most likely. I'm curious if Microsoft's announcement about iterative consoles has caused people to jump to the conclusion that this is iterative too, even though it's probably just a PS4 Slim with extra hardware to smooth out the OS and allow for better suspend/resume and streaming.
In which case, all this PS4.5 stuff would be nonsense. I'm curious to see how this plays out.
In which case, all this PS4.5 stuff would be nonsense. I'm curious to see how this plays out.
This will happen. PS4 has a good API, which will probably be used on all future hardware Sony releases.
maniac-kun
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Dude the loud ps4s have something wrong with them. Not all of them are like that shit I have mine 2 feet away from me and the only time I hear it is when the disc drive ramps up and ramps down . which isn't often.otherwise I don't hear it. So they might of fixed the problem.
Yes, that's totally ok.
I mean a major generational leap (which some were predicting) shouldn't be done with the PS4.5, I expect that to come with the PS5 instead.
thekiddfran
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But why though?
Nobody asked for this
Why fuck up an already good thing and confuse consumers with another PS4?
Nobody asked for this
Why fuck up an already good thing and confuse consumers with another PS4?
Movalpolos
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What?
Because there are already 2 SKU's, one with camera, moves, one with breakout box only. Now they would introduce another one, without anything.
I'm expecting people may already be confused whether they have to buy the bundle or if the accesories are optional, another SKU would introduce even more confusion, people buying the cheapest SKU and then not being able to use PSVR becomes it turns out they need the one with the breakout box because they have the vanilla PS4.
Boxes would need to have Caution stickers saying "you're buying this, but also need this, this, and this so beware!" That's far from a perfect situation, and a casual consumer doesn't want to deal with that.
And that's a completely new hardware concept launch, it's easy to fuck up.
The article also says that with the current PS4, you won't get 4K, which Jeff hinted at in his thread.
It can't read the discs, it doesn't have the "right" HDCP and it doesn't have a h265-decoder.
PartTimeWarrior
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Imagine no longer, friend. The PC can run all of your multiplatform games at 60fps
At first I thought they may go yearly but it doesn't seem so for the simple fact that even now processors are slowing down their production of big generational leaps (see Intel news yesterday). Maybe every 3 years.
Movalpolos
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No more confusing than the 360 with integrated wifi and hdmi.
You're right, I was already questioning myself while typing this...
But, 'coding to the metal' doesn't change the fact that AAA open world games for example will run @1080, 30fps on PS4 at best. MGSV is an exception, because (I love the game to death) the open world is pretty empty compare to GTAV.
BibiMaghoo
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If true, and it is actually a newer, more powerful PS4, the Ps4 I own will be the last console I ever buy. If I wanted to upgrade every two years I would just stick with my PC. I buy the box because I know it will be fully supported for it's life time. A newer upgraded box this soon means it will not be, and so the console losses its value to me.
Really stupid move Sony, especially when you were doing so well.
Lmao, it's much more confusing. Those things were required as a modern standard.
Really stupid move Sony, especially when you were doing so well.
Lmao, it's much more confusing. Those things were required as a modern standard.
LostDonkey
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Well that's funny, when I called customer service to ask about the loud fan noise while playing 60fps games, they told me it was not a fault and was normal operating conditions.
googleplex
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This is exactly what it will be. A PS4 slim with 4K media output and a little extra gpu power to help PS4 games scale decently on 4K TK's. Sony needs to first focus on getting the PS4 down to 299 and below. They'll save any scaling of their APU and actually power upgrades for the actual PS5 in 3 years.
Huh? We have several upgrades in many consumer electronics. Why do you think gamers are not possible to understand a "better" PS4?
Isnt that what should happen? It would be a small upgrade to add the new media (4K) yet not divide the userbase in two (people playing normal ps4 and ithers playing the same games in 4k or 1080p 60fps)
A LOT of people want consoles to more or less become PC Boxes that you buy every 1-2 years. Just look at the PS4.5 Thread, a scary number of people are find shelling out 400$ every year or so for a new PlayStation
.Well obviously it wouldn't be THAT much more powerful... come on...
Doing today's graphics at 4K would be a generational leap and then some.
A LOT of people want consoles to more or less become PC Boxes that you buy every 1-2 years. Just look at the PS4.5 Thread, a scary number of people are find shelling out 400$ every year or so for a new PlayStation
That's exaggerating... I wan't this, but only in time for when I would normally replace my console, which is after 3-4 years. I usually need to replace it for some reason... though PS4 hardly uses the disk drive so mine should never die. Heck, my 3rd PS3 will likely break before my 1st PS4.
But yah... nobody wants to buy one every year. But I could see some wanting to buy one every 3 years or so. And those of us who don't want guarantees that our current hardware will forever play PS4.x games at an acceptable quality. (No BO3 PS3vsPS4 situations or bust)
Movalpolos
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Lol wat.
They are talking prototypes for the newer PS4, E3 is too soon.
While I share your sentiments about all the negatives of a new much more powerful PS4 (shudders), I wouldn't abandon ship on Sony consoles all together.
Just when the PS5 launches I sure as shit ain't picking it up and will wait for the more powerful PS5.5 to come out before even thinking of upgrading.
Movalpolos
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Yup.
witchedwiz
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i'm a bit disappointed..
but not THAT much, as i don't think they will be able to achieve the same graphic fidelity//effects of full-hd with a 4k resolution lest they give a SERIOUS spec bump..
as someone else reported in this thread a proper 980ti would struggle at some point, but ehhh..
I don't think i'll jump the bridge at this moment, I'm already buying my second vr device (playstation vr this time, after oculus..) for collection sake, so I guess I can buy this "alternative" ps4 model down the line..
I think this will be at most a "playback 4k" ps4 with a slight bump in spec which will not be used for games..
imho clearly
but not THAT much, as i don't think they will be able to achieve the same graphic fidelity//effects of full-hd with a 4k resolution lest they give a SERIOUS spec bump..
as someone else reported in this thread a proper 980ti would struggle at some point, but ehhh..
I don't think i'll jump the bridge at this moment, I'm already buying my second vr device (playstation vr this time, after oculus..) for collection sake, so I guess I can buy this "alternative" ps4 model down the line..
I think this will be at most a "playback 4k" ps4 with a slight bump in spec which will not be used for games..
imho clearly
Dinky Dino
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Yea most people overlook how UWP can be used and if MS manages to make it open and convince people to use it, a lot of pc created content and programs can easily go to the next Xbox. Hardware wise though MS will likely use another apu though with dx12 and UWP they can also release models with discrete vidya cards if they wish.
If you really believe those rumours from Kotaku, then I'm assuming you believe that games will be able to run at 4K on the new console. You of all people should know that a console with such hardware grunt just isn't possible right now. Furthermore, if games do display at 4K, that's probably where all the extra processing power will go. I can't imagine there being much left for any visual improvements. If there are indeed visual improvements and games are just being upscaled to 4K instead of native, I can only see things like higher resolution shadows and better ambient occlusion making it. I highly doubt the upgraded consoles and PC versions will have something like real time GI while the old consoles stick to static GI.
Even under the most conservative option, no. DF sounds pretty certain that there is at the very least an upgrade to the GPU. The real question is just how much and whether that extends to the CPU/RAM as well.
Boy Wander
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So presumably, as someone who was literally about to pull the trigger on a PS4 within the next few weeks, I now need to put the safety back on and wait?
It's not selfish because we actually want Sony to make good financial decisions. The PS4 is selling really well, so why fuck with something that's already working? If anyone planned to buy a PS4 they are probably in a holding pattern right now until Sony clears this up.
And releasing iterative hardware seems ass backwards to me. Last gen the mantra with the PS3 was ten year lifecycle...now it seems it's being cut 7 years to 3. That's not a good deal for consumers and most people won't support it. Sony makes plenty of money on software sales and by trimming the production costs on the existing PS4 hardware. Sony will just lose money on a PS4K and irritate its customers with this.
Yup it that happens, I'm waiting until PS6 is announced and buying the last iteration of the PS5.X, not buying hardware at launch better again, won't be at an disadvantage against others and I'm not buying new hardware every two or so years.
I'm in the same boat as you (planing on getting a PS4 this year) and now I'm not getting one until Sony officially announces this thing. Wait until at least E3 2016 before getting your PS4 buddy.
googleplex
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It may actually be cheaper to move to DDR4 soon.
If you don't potentially want to be fucked over by Sony wait until the Holidays, all rumours point to a launch this year, so it should be introduced at PSX at the latest.
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