I think you're off base. If you don't understand why someone saying "competition is good" would mean it's good to have options, and it tends to mean the more chances for good offerings the better, I can't help you.
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Microsoft: Xbox One leading sales in US since price cut, nearly 10 million sold-in
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I think you're off base. If you don't understand why someone saying "competition is good" would mean it's good to have options, and it tends to mean the more chances for good offerings the better, I can't help you.
Dragonborn
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Probably because MS does it so often and so blatantly. I, for one, am glad people call them out on the BS
stores dont buy what they dont think they can sell.
ethomaz
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WOW it is a new spin strategy?
It is the "Coming Soon" working for MS.
- How much Xbones did you sold?
- 10 million soon
- Soon?
- Yeah we be sold soon 10 million consoles
- Soon 10 million consoles will be in the consumers hands?
- Well in the retail
- Wait is it shipped?
- Not. Sell in to retailers.
Soon? Next week? Next month? End of Year? It is soon.
It is the "Coming Soon" working for MS.
- How much Xbones did you sold?
- 10 million soon
- Soon?
- Yeah we be sold soon 10 million consoles
- Soon 10 million consoles will be in the consumers hands?
- Well in the retail
- Wait is it shipped?
- Not. Sell in to retailers.
Soon? Next week? Next month? End of Year? It is soon.
Simply pointing out that throwing money at bundles, price cuts etc... is not something that should give MS praise deservings. It's a minimum effort for them
Yeah I'm gonna get front row seats. I say let them enjoy themselves, there's a lot of XBO fans who took the last year as some indictment of their tastes. So they have some fun. Microsoft did a great job with the deals this year, they're insane. That was some active courting of consumers, and so in a sense it's a good thing. Shows a sign that consumers want it, but at a certain price. Maybe it'll mean we'll get to a permanent $349.99 quicker. If it wasn't for the ID@Xbox parity nonsense, I'd have one too right now.
Actually no. MS does and has to care about sell through. If the product does not sell to consumer they will have less shipment next quarter, or worst have negative shipment like Wii U early on.
Yes, because negative shipment of a product hasn't happened before in the history of retail. /s
BruceLeeRoy
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I was actually expecting for MS to come out on top until this press release.
MS doesn't benefit from sold in though. For every unit thr retailer sells, The console maker makes money. For every unshipped one, rhe console maker could lose future sales, or be forced to buy it back. Retailers don't just blindly buy merchandise, without a catch or if sales expectations don't meet a certain number.
Exclusive look into Microsofts PR department:
Yo.. these guys can fuck people up..
PsihoPerihelion
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Do they even need one? They have being winning without any compelling software since launch.
Canis lupus
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I wasn't around when Sony was getting stomped last gen.
Is MS PR spinning better or worse than Sony was at that time?
I'd be shocked if MS did not win November. Jury is out on December. Unless the price drop goes global ASAP it's looking like Xbox One will be NA-centric console for its lifespan.
Nah, they actually only really care about how many people buy their console and that they get as many games as possible and get xbox live and subscribe to other services cause thats the way money is made in the console market in the first few years.
Plus, there is no way in hell they are making any sort of profit on a console sale with the deals they are offering
Gestault said:
Even if we just discuss it for you alone - since you're one of the lone cats who uses this interpretation, that's just the reality - it doesn't make sense. One system dominating does not eliminate the options others had. It's silliness. Even when PS2 was absolutely smacking the Xbox and GCN, people still had the option to buy those systems and love them. I adored my GCN, for example. And the offerings on it were phenomenal.
"Momentum" and "hitting its stride" got used a lot.
Forgive me if this was already brought up but...
"The response to this wave of blockbuster game releases and new bundles has been amazing, and sales have skyrocketed since the new price took effect on Nov. 2. Compared to the previous week, Xbox One sales in the US have more than tripled"
Of fucking course they tripled their sales. They announced the holiday price cut on Oct 27th. Sales of the console would have dropped dramatically that week and then picked up majorly once the price cut hit.
"The response to this wave of blockbuster game releases and new bundles has been amazing, and sales have skyrocketed since the new price took effect on Nov. 2. Compared to the previous week, Xbox One sales in the US have more than tripled"
Of fucking course they tripled their sales. They announced the holiday price cut on Oct 27th. Sales of the console would have dropped dramatically that week and then picked up majorly once the price cut hit.
3rdamention
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Problem is, they are announcing the numbers they have shipped for the holidays as part of their total shipped numbers...before the holidays are even in full swing...They are not going to be able to announce sold through numbers cause it could be 3 months before they actually sell the approx 3 million to customers that they have shipped this quarter...And this quarter is always the biggest shipment of the year.....
Do you think in January or February that Microsoft is going to make another PR statement saying they sold 10 million consoles to consumers? No way, they can't go backwards. Next total sales numbers they share will be when they make their next big quarterly shipment...
ps4 have been selling like crazy without a killer app, just wait until bloodborne comes out, the amount of pc gamers buying a ps4 just for that game will be insane i imagine
Dragonborn
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Sony's spin from back then is legendary. I'd say they're about on par with each other.
The old 'Sony too' defense. Actually Sony have done nothing of the sort for a long while, microsoft takes every opportunity to lie and play dirty, another reason I will never buy an Xbone or anything from MS.
Quoted for truth.
ReBurn
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Retailers also try to not over order because that also costs them money. Most of the time they only order what they believe that they can sell, because returns are also costly.
I'm looking forward to the reaction by certain folk in the media the most really
Should be amazing either wayHell if PS4 wins somehow still then we will also have a lot of people saying something along the lines of 'it's not fair" "They don't deserve it"
You're describing a completely different set of conclusions than what was actually contained in my posts, and you're laboring this point of "I've never heard it before" so hard, I don't even know what's going on with you.
Syphon Filter
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I doubt bloodbourne will be a killer app. The order has a better chance but it's really UC4 that will be the one.
Digital-Hero
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It would be foolish for MS to increase the price back to $399.
Brad Grenz
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Yes I'm serious. Not every company sends executives here to blatantly lie about specs. And there is a difference between PR that puts a nice face on things and PR that is intentionally deceitful. MS has proven time and time again how little respect they have for me as a customer and the inevitable result is my own disrespect for them as a business.
Shining Sunshine
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It's funny that Microsoft is now using the "Xbox family" thing since that's how Sony did it before.
vpance
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Nothing from Sony matches 50 million zombies killed in Dead Rising and 100 billion bullets fired in Titanfall.
Just agree to disagree. Boring now.
Canis lupus
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I guess Xbone will win november unless Sony has killer black friday deals. That ACU Xbone bundle has been the top selling console on the amazon charts for a while now.
They will have to after the promo period.
They will have to after the promo period.
calling that price cut "temporary" was just more spin.
The perfect resume.
Poimandres
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Hehe very true. I hear spin classes are good for your health!
Anyway, the reason people are having fun with this is because of all the caveats to this particular press release. If Microsoft just straight out had great news some people would be in denial but I would have no qualms with congratulating them for a job well done. This is very obviously getting in early because they lost this months NPD.
I'll congratualte them when they win November.
Dragonborn
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Well, true. Both are highly entertaining.
Yea, I was very surprised when Sony decided to split up PS3 and PS4 again
Much post. Great entertain. Would read again.
This NPD is for October. You thought MS was going to take October?
3rdamention
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This, this is something people seem to ignore....3 times the sales of the week where everyone was waiting a week to buy an xbox one because they knew the price would drop...
It is fantastic PR.....
Then rewrite what you said, because this is what you said:
Gestault said:
I'm sure you have a magical special interpretation that is unique for you and no one else on Earth too for this as well, but what this means is you're arguing that the phrase indicates
1. "Competition is good" means "it's good to have options"
2. "Competition is good" means "more chances for good offerings."
Neither requires competition. And competition being good or bad has nothing to do with that.
The only thing that's going on with me is I'm reading your arguments and getting more and more bemused trying to parse out your actual point.
Papacheeks
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My thoughts exactly, all the Dark Souls PC players will be coming off of a steam sale from November get addicted the crack that is Souls series and look at Bloodborne saying: "IN MY VEINS NOW".
Yup I see it having that impact.
Tidus_Great
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these are like those NFL stats where they say a player rushed for most yards at a night game when it's raining between the time of 8-9 o'clock
BruceLeeRoy
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No November.
Oh I'm sure plenty here spotted exactly the same thing. We'll find out in the NPD if we get any numbers. Shame we won't get Octobers actual numbers so see how it did against the months before and in light of this deal coming up.
Depends on the deals being offered really. They will consider investment buys too - i.e. buy more stock now at cheaper price with advantageous return agreements.
MS is very likely offering retailers very good terms right now to encourage them to stock up on the high end of expected sales over a longish period.
Xbox sales in the US ain't that bad - the consoles will shift for sure over time.
I'd imagine they'd find it a lot harder to encourage investment and forward buying outside US but you never know.
Doug Heffernan
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Wow, good for them.
They've done a lot to claw back into it.
They've done a lot to claw back into it.
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