I think we put too much stock in NPD. It's one territory. Xbox was a success last gen because of total domination of the NA market. Without that domination while maintaining the continued irrelevance in the rest of the world, even winning "a month or two" of NPD does what exactly?
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Pachter Predicts: Xbox One outsold PS4 in September (dance, you puppets)
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Far too many people are believing his prediction as a fact. It is only 3 days and we will know and patcher has been wrong on NPD data quite often. And he doesn't know much about destiny, does not play it and actually hates mmo type games. His understanding is kinda lacking on this matter. For refrence on him not liking mmo and only playing destiny an hr and him preferring gaming on xbox one. He was on gamertag radio podcast few weeks.
I don't own either consoles, but from what i hear PSN handled Destiny fine, it has primarily been Drive Club that is having the server issues.
Giving away free games just to get on the top spot isn't exactly a great way of competing. It shows desperation.
They're DDOS attacks. These will not last.
Secondly, not seeing it.
If someone is so into Call of Duty that they'd buy another console because the online didn't work 24/7 (if it doesn't), they're already either playing on the 360 or One. They didn't rush out to buy a PS4.
Aquamarine
Member
Actually, that's patently incorrect. I know a lot about how Pachter operates...and trust me...he's just as normal as your average GAFfer who knows a lot about sales.
GAF has people who work in retail that regularly give us an update of trends in the wider market. The type of channel checking that GAF does is fundamentally more comprehensive than Pachter's channel checking.
This thread is just as silly as someone making a thread saying "Aquamarine predicts Xbox One outsold PS4 in September."
Ninja Scooter
Member
The Drive Club issues seem to have to do with Driveclub itself, not Sony's servers. I doubt there will be any issue when CoD or AC hit, at least not any moreso than you usually see. Servers are always sorta shit on the first few days of a big game.
Pathfinder
Member
Actually, I think it shows determination.
Why aren't free games a great way of competing, as long as they are quality titles?
Super_Cobra
Member
Ban pachter if he's wrong! He's like like a certain website that post "game sales".
That's my line of thinking as well. They need to earn that yearly subscription fee.
Memorabilia
Member
its funny, the thing I love about PS4 is its less social lol
Lol well, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you. I probably should have clarified that SP is still my favorite way to game. My previous post was specifically in response to someone bringing up the peculiar statistical phenomenon in which PS4 has a significant sales advantage but many people with both systems are reporting they have more friends on Xbone. I guess the nutshell answer could be "Xbone is geared slightly more to MP gaming, PS4 is geared slightly more to SP gaming." EDIT: Thus far, the MP games that have grabbed me the most from last gen to now happened to be 360/Xbone/PC exclusives (the Left 4 Dead series + Titanfall). So that's partially how & why I ended up with a lot more XBL friends than PSN friends, despite the fact that I love a lot of the SP exclusives on the PS3/PS4. I mean, TLoU Remaster and Wolfenstein on PS4 are the best overall games I've played on new Gen (honorable mention to Second Son), all of which are SP and didn't necessitate adding a single new PSN friend.
But, then again, I don't think excellent SP & excellent MP are mutually exclusive ideas. Sony could improve the appeal of their online/social experience & still offer great SP experiences.
And i don't think the better social aspect of XBL in any way detracts from Xbone's SP potential (tho it could be argued focusing on the Kinect has diverted resources/attention away from the core gamer and resulted in the hardware being gimped vs PS4...but that's not MP vs. SP...thats just MS doubling down on chasing the Wii motion control dollars ).They are talking about giving free games away when you purchase the system....not GWG.
Duxxy3
Member
I think some people just wonder where the hell he's getting his numbers from.
Most of us base our predictions on retail reports, online rankings, and historical sales data. Add our "hunch" to the numbers and that's what people come up with.
So how are Pachter's numbers so far from almost every prediction out there? Where is he pulling these numbers from? Is it from a legit source and the rest of us are horribly, horribly, wrong?
You would think that Pachter has to have better sources than us, seeing as he is a professional analyst.
Most of us base our predictions on retail reports, online rankings, and historical sales data. Add our "hunch" to the numbers and that's what people come up with.
So how are Pachter's numbers so far from almost every prediction out there? Where is he pulling these numbers from? Is it from a legit source and the rest of us are horribly, horribly, wrong?
You would think that Pachter has to have better sources than us, seeing as he is a professional analyst.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
This may shock you, but giving games away for free isn't really an inherent good for a company's bottom line.
Its just wishful thinking , i just want hard competition.
OsirisBlack
Banned
Sony does not have issues with online games this is a driveclub specific problem and I think there is more to it than just server issues. CODGhosts/BF4/TlOU/KZSF FFXIV/DCUO are all online and operational.
Free games are fantastic for consumers but a long-term problem for Microsoft. You don't want your consumers expecting deals and waiting on them.
I'm sure it is cheaper for Microsoft if it is a 1st party game, but that week prior to Destiny's release must have been expensive.
Yes but pretty sure he meant that it's good for us... gamers
It's worth it in the long run as they gain the mindset that Xbox is the best place to play games.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Return of the king baby! 😉
But seriously... It is possible, Xbox seems to be preferred system for a lot of online gamers (top destiny players are on Xbox) and a lot of 360 owners still have to make the switch.
But seriously... It is possible, Xbox seems to be preferred system for a lot of online gamers (top destiny players are on Xbox) and a lot of 360 owners still have to make the switch.
Don't be a moron. If we banned anyone for bad predictions, we would lose most of the NPD thread.
Aquamarine
Member
Pachter is a professional analyst for a LOT of companies. He doesn't spend very much time on these kind of predictions...he has a lot to get done every month.
So yes, an intelligent GAFfer is indeed more well-informed.
The fact that Spencer needs to make Xbox owners feel like 1st class tells you Xbox isn't the best place to play.
What good will a new fire do when the massive "360's US marketshare" bonfire didn't fix PSN.
I see, if it's just one game then they'll be fine.
The king is already sitting on his throne though.
Pathfinder
Member
I did mean it's good for us.
Microsoft is a rich company, they'll survive enticing potential future customers for awhile.
Super_Cobra
Member
Why not? We ban "insiders" after being wrong.
Memorabilia
Member
The massive 360 market share *did* arguably "fix" the PS4. Sony came out swinging with the PS4's hardware design. So, one step at a time. To be fair to Sony, improving a global network takes time (and money, which is in short supply at Sony despite the wildly successful PS4/PS+). Still, it does appear Sony has rested on their laurels a bit after MS screwed the pooch so badly on the Xbone launch and allowed Sony's superior hardware design an opening to steal a lot of buyers early on. But, this is a marathon not a sprint. So, lighting a fire under their ass may be just what Sony needs to get it in gear.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Because he's making a prediction, not claiming it as a fact.
FF Seraphim
Member
If the XB1 outsells the PS4 in September I will eat a million tacos. Or a hat made of tacos...
Tacos already look like Napoleon hats.
Garrett 2U
Member
How does it being desperate make it a bad precedent? Do you not like bundled games as a consumer?
Just because they're rich, doesn't mean that they could do this indefinitely. They have fiscal budgets each fiscal year, as an example.
Because consumers won't be purchasing the console without a bundled game or two. And how long can Microsoft actually sustain this?
neogaffer1
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BrokenEchelon
Banned
Has XBO even surpassed Wii U yet globally?
It's a great way of competing.
This is important as well. At least give new console owners something to play. They'll get bored and buy a new game after they play their one free title.
Garrett 2U
Member
People invest a lot of money into consoles.
Microsoft will make their money back. Don't you worry about their finances Biker, you just enjoy the free games.
I am not seeing how bundled games is a bad precedent. You shouldn't be so conerned.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Well software is supposed to be the counterpart to the loss-leader hardware. When you start giving both away at a loss, your bottom line starts looking less appealing. Obviously it's not the end of the world for them, but they need to make the system desirable as a value proposition without an additional freebie
freefornow
Gold Member
Worked for PS3 last gen. PS+ monthly games were not goodwill.
Welfare
Member
Sold to consumers? Not yet.
Shipped to retailers? They could be equal right now.
Pathfinder
Member
I'm sure they could manage to sustain it as long as they felt they had to. At least until they've felt they've caught up enough.
You still haven't explained why free games and bundles are bad. They might not be the best for a company financially, but it's more than good for the consumers who reap the rewards.
FF Seraphim
Member
Is wrong of me to want Pachter to be right just so I can have a reason to eat this?