Hero Prinny
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Instead of a female link id rather have just play as zelda and link becomes the prince.
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Rumor: Zelda coming to both Wii U + NX, choose between male/female link, VA for NPCs
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Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Really? What does the Link in Spirit Tracks have to do with Ocarina of Time Link? Other than the name, which you can change? He's not even a reincarnation at that point. how would ST Link be more Link than Linkle? They'd both be the world's current "the hero."
royox
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Oh, I forgot I had to apologice for being a White-hetero-Cis-man before posting. I'm sorry I have an opinión.
He's more of an iteration of the Hero of the Wind at that point.
Actually that one is the Hero Chosen by the Goddesses.
James Scott
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AcademicSaucer
Member
I think is going to be Zelda, and its going to be sad that such awesome thing will be met with dissapointment here because its not the exact thing some people wanted.
Coming in 2021, The Hero of Ugly Oblivion-like Character Creation.
As long as you can collect items, explore the countryside and solve puzzles while fighting monsters I don't think anyone will give a shit if it's Zelda, Linkle or whatever.
hemo memo
Gold Member
100% with you. specially Skyward Sword.
I do find it annoying that adding white women is considered inclusive as if the only people who play Zelda games are white. If we're going to talk about being inclusive then what we really should be getting is a character creator. I always find it interesting that the folks that want a female option seem to think a character creator is a step too far.
partyphone
Banned
no. but your argument against female link is a ridiculous non-sequitur.
Please no.
This guy did a good job turning me off of that idea
Yeah this shit makes me nauseous. I want a Zelda game where Zelda is the hero and the princess. She shouldn't have to slum it down in order to be hero worthy. A princess can rock a sword and shield and save the day.
Orniletter
Banned
Giving Link a voice and something to say would be a far bigger change than changing his gender (assuming the story is super light/ has no romance at all).
It's not lazy, it's a deliberate design decision. One that I appreciate.
The gender toggle is fine.
It is inclusive as you're literally adding representation for more people. To call that insulting would require ridiculous mental gymnastics.
edit: is there anyone saying a full character creator would be bad, but gender choice only is ok?
crooked spin
Member
thank you for pointing out the slippery slope of inclusivity
we're all going to be playing as chickens soon, thanks PC culture
I think if you have a character creation tool with a preset version that is basically Link as designed in promo material wouldn't be met with uproar that different with what female Link does.
I don't think I have seen people be against Character customisation while being for female Link.
Heck customization was one of the highlight of SS if you ask me.
It is insulting when it's possible to give even more people a decent shot. It's representation for only a segment of the population (that's not exactly hurting compared to MANY others).
I'll only accept it if she doesn't wear a dress. Give me something similar to the Zelda Cartoon outfit.
royox
Member
Well until now the only argument for female link has been "because it's not stated that it can't be, therefore it should be".
But it doesn't hurt the people that aren't represented yet. Giving more people choice doesn't take away from anyone who has yet to be represented.
I'll only accept it if she doesn't wear a dress. Give me something similar to the Zelda Cartoon outfit.
I'll allow it.
Beyond Skyward Sword actually drawing closer attention to that specific Link and Zelda having a clearly established relationship of some sort, all I can really think of is that Minish Cap and the Wind Waker games having them being friends.
The other games barely even touch on them developing a friendship, much less the idea of them being romantic partners.
At least you won't have a bird problem in your fields with all the straw men you're building.
James Scott
Banned
Link has a personality in SS, and a bit in TP too. Just because he has no dialogue boxes doesn't really negate that.
Making him speak a little when necessary would be good, I feel.
Giving everyone VA and having them talk to Link and him ignoring their responses like in MGSV would be pretty jarring, much more so than if there wasn't any VA
Yeah it's so stupid.
The games don't even feature the same people, different people with different names. At this point though I'd suspect there'd be people who would freak the fuck out if Ms. Pacman came out nowadays.
Funny you should say that as I'm rewatching this right now due to this topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqYLfm1rWA
It makes me wonder why they stopped at such a arbitrary place and then expect praise for being "inclusive".
Which is how it should be if they have a female playable character the zelda is the best choice.
TheLegendOfCap
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I don't understand this debate... please tell me if I'm missing something.
The Hero of Time is a spirit and reincarnates. If Demise can reincarnate as a HUMAN or MONSTER, then the spirit of the Hero can reincarnate as a girl.
I don't see how the past incarnations of Link can be open to interpretation, those are boys and is stated as such within the game but we're not talking about those stories, we're talking about this upcoming one.
Also I firmly believe there will never be a "prince Link" because Link has never been associated with the Royal Family. That is the lineage of Zelda alone.
The Hero of Time is a spirit and reincarnates. If Demise can reincarnate as a HUMAN or MONSTER, then the spirit of the Hero can reincarnate as a girl.
I don't see how the past incarnations of Link can be open to interpretation, those are boys and is stated as such within the game but we're not talking about those stories, we're talking about this upcoming one.
Also I firmly believe there will never be a "prince Link" because Link has never been associated with the Royal Family. That is the lineage of Zelda alone.
But it's not an arbitrary place. They'd be theoretically allowing you to choose between two specific designs rather than having the player design anything themselves. The choice between japanese boy/girl in Pokemon Crystal isn't insulting to minorities. If you wanted to have a leg to stand on you should have referenced FE Awakening/Fates where they both allow for near full customization of everything but skin tone. Worse still for Awakening since your family is all brown/south asian except for Robin themselves.
LegendofLex
Member
I see it more as a self-fulfilling prophecy kind of situation.
I aren't trying to be smart, it's a genuine question. We want Link to look like Link, not some random white guy.
These designs can't have a color option because...?
Hey, look at the part where I said there couldn't be a colour option.
Oh wait, it's not there because I didn't.
What I did say is that adding just a gender option isn't insulting just because there aren't colour options too. Pokemon Crystal/RSE/FRLG isn't insulting because they gave you a preset male and female japanese kid option, Zelda wouldn't be insulting if it introduced a male/female preset pasty hylian option. FE can be argued as insulting for allowing full customization sans skin tone. Pokemon ORAS can be argued as insulting for taking skin tones away.
Alex_Mexico
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The fact that we're 77 pages deep into a thread about having the OPTION to play as a boy or a girl is the very same reason why this game needs to feature said choice.
I will never understand the people here that are against there being an option for a female Link. It's just an option, you'll get to play your reincarnated blank slate of an avatar that is Link male to your heart's content and will forget there was even an option past the very beginning of the game.
I will never understand the people here that are against there being an option for a female Link. It's just an option, you'll get to play your reincarnated blank slate of an avatar that is Link male to your heart's content and will forget there was even an option past the very beginning of the game.
partyphone
Banned
no randomize link based on your console's serial number
If there's going to be a female protagonist, I think I'd rather play as Zelda than have a female Link - and I definitely don't want Linkle. The series is known as Zelda, and I think it would be much more interesting to see what could be done with her character as an active protagonist than swapping the gender of Link.
And I said it's a strange place to stop and I resent the implied idea that white men/women are inclusive as representation for everyone who plays Zelda.
This literally makes no sense
RellyRell28
Banned
When I seen the rumors I thought the big argument would be voice acting. I can't believe this is an argument. Some people I swear
It isn't a strange place to stop though, not if they're introducing you to either two specific characters or two specific designs. Your logic for it being insulting doesn't hold up unless they actually let you customize the designs of your characters but choose to stop at skin tone.
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