Uncharted has never been a system seller.
This is getting dumber by the minute...
Uncharted has never been a system seller.
i don't think you'll be able me if 40 million people are going to remain happy about this.They'll be happily playing their ps4
or 3) will quit console gaming. there have been a lot peopleTheir reaction will be:
1) Nice. Gonna sell my OG PS4 & buy the PS4K (me)
2) Meh. I'm satisfied with my OG PS4. (others).
i'm looking at one of them, not all of them.You're looking at them.
I think it'll be more than some yo. but we'll see.Some will be disappointed but if you like new toys you'll be no doubt be excited and i'm thankful Sony are taking a risk here.
GAF logic 101.
PS4 is too weak can't run games at 1080p 60fps, what a piece of shit. I'll buy $350 GPU for my PC fuck PS4.
PS4K Rumour, Wtf! why are the releasing a stronger PS4? now my OG PS4 is shit, fuck you Sony I'm done with console gaming. I'll just buy a $350 GPU for my PC instead fuck PS4K.
My reaction
So PS4K had a minimum spec to pass QA cert that is same framerate/res or higher than PSPoor.
Does this mean PSPoor will also have a minimum spec?
What's to keep PSPoor games from being throwaway ports with terrible performance to hit the PS4K requirement?
That seems to be the rub for me. OG games from multiple publishers already have trouble keeping resolution or stable framerates. What's going to keep these from dropping off the cliff? What's the incentive to provide better than just "good enough"?
What is a PSPoor?
What is a PSPoor?
i don't think you'll be able me if 40 million people are going to remain happy about this.
or 3) will quit console gaming. there have been a lot people
i'm looking at one of them, not all of them.
I think it'll be more than some yo. but we'll see.
Succinct......GAF logic 101.
PS4 is too weak can't run games at 1080p 60fps, what a piece of shit. I'll buy $350 GPU for my PC fuck PS4.
PS4K Rumour, Wtf! why are the releasing a stronger PS4? now my OG PS4 is shit, fuck you Sony I'm done with console gaming. I'll just buy a $350 GPU for my PC instead fuck PS4K.
My reaction
Vanilla PS4 is my last Sony purchase. I won't support a company that does this to the console market.
It is too much to ask given the current technology. We're looking at a perf per watt of 3x at most between the GCN in Xb1 ps4 and GCN 1.3. Zen is 2x max over Jaguar.
The only way were getting the jump you want is double the tdp of the current consoles.
220 / 240 watt consoles.
You're asking for 10 to 14 teraflop consoles. Thats PS5.
......what are they doing to it?
Vanilla PS4 is my last Sony purchase. I won't support a company that does this to the console market.
Others will jump in. People will go, people will come. Balance.or 3) will quit console gaming. there have been a lot people
Sony releases a better version of their widely successful console.
? why?
Also I am wondering how even sony execs don't know much to anything about this yet all the outside sources seem to have a break down of internal specs....
I am smelling clickbait bonanza
Something he's trying hard to push but fell flat.
Let him keep trying though.
Poor man's PS4 apparently.
So PS4K had a minimum spec to pass QA cert that is same framerate/res or higher than PSPoor.
Does this mean PSPoor will also have a minimum spec?
What's to keep PSPoor games from being throwaway ports with terrible performance to hit the PS4K requirement?
That seems to be the rub for me. OG games from multiple publishers already have trouble keeping resolution or stable framerates. What's going to keep these from dropping off the cliff? What's the incentive to provide better than just "good enough"?
oh man im dying PsPoor hahah classic
Balance is Vita.Others will jump in. People will go, people will come. Balance.
It is too much to ask given the current technology. We're looking at a perf per watt of 3x at most between the GCN in Xb1 ps4 and GCN 1.3. Zen is 2x max over Jaguar.
The only way were getting the jump you want is double the tdp of the current consoles.
220 / 240 watt consoles.
You're asking for 10 to 14 teraflop consoles. Thats PS5.
yeah like 3 people on Gaf? You realize that one/two/three Cod Youtube Video from Ali A has like 10m views in a couple of days from Ps4/Xbox One users? Gaf is a minority it means nothing what people here are saying about leaving Console space since many more will join Remember Kinect before launch on 360? Major success right? What about Wii? Yeah
If you want to leave, do it.
I´m pretty happy Console gaming is moving and try to capture a bigger audience from people who care about Specs and stuff and will remain cheap and affordable for the majority of the mass market (249/299e).
Exactly. That was "I don't know how much you know about console culture, I am an expert" sort of a post. Except unironic.
fair enough, we'll see.Yeah like 3 people on Gaf? You realize that one/two/three Cod Youtube Video from Ali A has like 10m views in a couple of days from Ps4/Xbox One users? Gaf is a minority it means nothing what people here are saying about leaving Console space since many more will join Remember Kinect before launch on 360? Major success right? What about Wii? Yeah
If you want to leave, do it.
I´m pretty happy Console gaming is moving and try to capture a bigger audience from people who care about Specs and stuff and will remain cheap and affordable for the majority of the mass market (249/299e).
i think the reaction will be interesting, and will be a turning point for the console industry.Others will jump in. People will go, people will come. Balance.
It's amazing how many people fail to recognise this.
I love NeoGAF, its members and its sense of community, but its a hilariously tiny vacuum of the Internet and many of its users are frequently straight up wrong about anything regarding mass market trends and behaviours.
"I'm quitting console gaming!" is absolutely not going to be a mass market reaction to this product. I bet it's not even close to being the majority consensus on here.
I did not even have the Wii U that long. I loved it, but bailed because I knew it was dead. And again, at least the NX is actually a new system and not just an upgraded Wii U. As such, it's the only new hardware I am excited to see.
I am in the same boat. There were hardly any exclusive games on the PS4 and they want you to buy a new one without satisfying me on the old one. That's crazy but I am not who they are marketing this to.
On the consumer side, there are people happy with the PS4 and are willing to upgrade. I've always felt that the PS4 was a stripped down system that Sony never wanted to bring to the market. But that's actually the reason, it did well because of the price. Sony is a business so if they can sell 35 million people to buy a new PS4 without showing any exclusive games, more power to them. I only want to see an upgraded Uncharted 4.
Also with these specs, we aren't going to see 4K gaming anytime soon. Right now even a capable $2K PC can't handle 4K gaming with all the effects turned on.
I can only think of the nightmare this will cause on the developer side as developers are forced to target the minimum spec. This is going to be a mess and I hope that 3rd party developers don't abandon the console or have strained relationships with Sony because of this. Much of the Playstation business is driven by 3rd parties. I hope we see more developers speak out as this can't be fun.
The major issue here for people like me and leaving would be trust issues.
Many people buy consoles in the hopes to have a good cycle where there's no upgrades and split communities due to various configs.
Releasing this is more bad than good for the PS5 whenever that comes out. who's going to buy a launch ps5 when a PS5.5 might be just around the corner?
Also another thing to note is how is multiplayer games going to work? If they downgrade multiplayer on the PSNeo for even playing ground with OG PS4 then people will bitch moan and complain that OG PS4 is holding back the PS Neo.
And if they didn't bring it down to the same level then there's a split for people playing with higher FPS and resolution. That would cause the OG PS4 to be at a disadvantage.
Those Neo specs is basically what you need to run 1080p games at somewhat stable 60fps with the same graphics options of a normal PS4, I don't expect games using better graphical options than a nomal PS4 unit besides the resolution and fps.
I think some people need to understand that for games like Uncharted 4 or Horizon Zero Dawn doubling fps and with better resolution requieres lot of hardware juice its not a simple think to do.
Also if you are one of those that are very upset when your game drops frames from 30 to middle 20s, dropping from 60fps is a lot lot more noticeable.
Adapting to current CE trends. That is unforgivable
The major issue here for people like me and leaving would be trust issues.
Many people buy consoles in the hopes to have a good cycle where there's no upgrades and split communities due to various configs.
Releasing this is more bad than good for the PS5 whenever that comes out. who's going to buy a launch ps5 when a PS5.5 might be just around the corner?
Also another thing to note is how is multiplayer games going to work? If they downgrade multiplayer on the PSNeo for even playing ground with OG PS4 then people will bitch moan and complain that OG PS4 is holding back the PS Neo.
And if they didn't bring it down to the same level then there's a split for people playing with higher FPS and resolution. That would cause the OG PS4 to be at a disadvantage.
Agreed... hence why I was calling it out, lol.
Yeah, stupid.
Didn't answer much.The way they always have. This is clearly stated.
Oh well that's life. People that go PC will really see what a disadvantage is.
PS4K/Neo news has unleashed a carnival of stupid.This is getting dumber by the minute...
Didn't answer much.
I know already what it is and which is why I play shooters and stuff on console for an equal playing field. That would just basically just be a slap in the face to people who don't upgrade.
I still see supporters as this
Forum fallacy 101.GAF logic 101.
PS4 is too weak can't run games at 1080p 60fps, what a piece of shit. I'll buy $350 GPU for my PC fuck PS4.
PS4K Rumour, Wtf! why are the releasing a stronger PS4? now my OG PS4 is shit, fuck you Sony I'm done with console gaming. I'll just buy a $350 GPU for my PC instead fuck PS4K.
My reaction
Didn't answer much.
The NEO will not supplant the current PS4, but will exist alongside of it and use the same user environment. The PS4 and NEO will use the same PSN store, connect to the same online communities, and offer the same user experience, so expect to see the same cross media bar that you’re used to.
Didn't answer much.
I know already what it is and which is why I play shooters and stuff on console for an equal playing field. That would just basically just be a slap in the face to people who don't upgrade.
I still see supporters as this
We'll see what happens when Sony tells the 40 million current PS4 owners that, starting this holidays, they are going to be 2nd class citizens in the Playstation ecosystem. I am sure they are going to love it. [/s]
I do not envy the QA teams working on PS4 games this holiday.
I don't see any negatives for those of us that are happy to upgrade. Please explain them?
I don't see any negatives for those of us that are happy to upgrade. Please explain them?
Forum fallacy 101.
There are 168,574 members in GAF (just checked), so it's quite possible that those who thought PS4 wasn't powerful enough are not the same that now say they don't like the idea of a mid generation upgrade.
Also, PS4 is very succesful. It's selling like hotcakes even if some people here thought it was underpowered.
We'll see what happens when Sony tells the 40 million current PS4 owners that, starting this holidays, they are going to be 2nd class citizens in the Playstation ecosystem. I am sure they are going to love it. [/s]
"I'm angry that you are able to spend your money in whichever way you like".
Yeah like 3 people on Gaf? You realize that one/two/three Cod Youtube Video from Ali A has like 10m views in a couple of days from Ps4/Xbox One users? Gaf is a minority it means nothing what people here are saying about leaving Console space since many more will join Remember Kinect before launch on 360? Major success right? What about Wii? Yeah
If you want to leave, do it.
I´m pretty happy Console gaming is moving and try to capture a bigger audience from people who care about Specs and stuff and will remain cheap and affordable for the majority of the mass market (249/299e).