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[Speely]

Game freak purposely makes graphhically underwhelming games and resists giant leaps in tech.

Well... Just because development is being unified in regard to platform doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be unified in regard to output. Game Freak could conceivably put out games meant to be played on the go using similar assets as current Pokemon games. 2D Zeldas could still exist as well.

I think the idea was to have one platform, not one application target. Lower-priced portable-only games could exist beside console style games that can also be played on the go.

Some devs could target HD console-style games and downscale rez for portable play (for example,) while others could simply target the underclocked portable performance and have pricing and dev cycles that reflect that.

Now whether or not Nintendo WANTS that is another story.

 

[ethomaz]

Most of us already guessed that in the DF thread.

nVidia only have Pascal for 16nm.

I don't think that they were serious.

Realistically, we shouldn't expect too much from this. I think the best case is something like this:

CPU: 4x Cortex A72 @2GH + 4x Cortex A53 @2GHz
GPU:2x Pascal SMs (256 CUDA cores) @700MHz (358 GFLOPS = ~448 GFLOPS) in portable mode and 1.2GHz (614 GFLOPS = ~768 AMD GFLOPS) in docked console mode with active cooling
RAM: 4-6GB LPDDR4 @25-30 GB/s (or 50-60 if Nintendo can add a 128-bit bus somehow), possibly with a 16-32MB eSRAM buffer

In the Nvidia vs. AMD FLOPS, keep in mind that Nvidia's stated FLOPS figure is always a minimum in desktop GPUs due to GPU Boost. Either way, I think that these are reasonable enough.

Tegra X1 is already 2SMs with 256SPs in 20nm... Pascal one will have more due 16nm.

3SMs is already a given for me but I hope nVidia can reach 4SMs even with lower clocks.

 

[maxcriden]

No particular nuance, unfortunately. But this casual statement from a trusted source was definitely not something I expected in this thread.

Oh! Gotcha. Thanks.

 

[BDGAME]

So, Tegra N1 is a pascal chip. Cool.

Right now we have a 1.2 TFlops machine that run games at 1080p. The DF test with a 3.2 TFlops machine give us a 2K resolution. The Scorpio, a 6 TFlops machine, will give us a 4K resolution.

Now, what kind of power will be need to give us actual generation graphics at 540p?

 

[Dark Cloud]

Nate is legit on these things. Not saying this as a reference to myself, but so are others. Let things come together nintendo is pulling at people right now and I think they are liking what they see.



I shat on when I leaked certain cpu details I wasn't suppose to. It's a lot better than initial concept, I know it doesn't please everyone but nintendo is actively wanting this machine to be solid and that reminds me of when they built n64 or gc vs the last two machines.

Oh man I found it! I remember when you had a problem with the NX months ago and you're a PC person. So, it didn't really mean much, but great to see things look better from your perspective and Nintendos.

 

[Proelite]

I don't think that they were serious.

Realistically, we shouldn't expect too much from this. I think the best case is something like this:

CPU: 4x Cortex A72 @2GH + 4x Cortex A53 @2GHz
GPU:2x Pascal SMs (256 CUDA cores) @700MHz (358 GFLOPS = ~448 GFLOPS) in portable mode and 1.2GHz (614 GFLOPS = ~768 AMD GFLOPS) in docked console mode with active cooling
RAM: 4-6GB LPDDR4 @25-30 GB/s (or 50-60 if Nintendo can add a 128-bit bus somehow), possibly with a 16-32MB eSRAM buffer

In the Nvidia vs. AMD FLOPS, keep in mind that Nvidia's stated FLOPS figure is always a minimum in desktop GPUs due to GPU Boost. Either way, I think that these are reasonable enough.

Those clocks are extremely optimistic, especially in the mobile mode. I am thinking Mobile mode has 1/3rd or less the clocks.

Esram would be needed if 64 bit bus, but unnecessary with 128bit bus.

 

[roytheone]

All these leakes and speculation make me so hyped! It seems I picked a great moment to return to Nintendo for my handheld needs after spending two generations with Sony.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I think NX will struggle to even get close to 3DS sales in Japan but if all these rumours are true Nintendo is giving it the best chance it can get. 100% of Nintendo's output and advanced enough to handle the vast majority of third party content should make it an attractive platform.

Basically unless Nintendo botches the execution terribly I can't see any other dedicated device doing remotely as well in the future

Spoiler

and that's somewhat terrifying.

Sony consoles i think will be successful as long as they have the eastern world like asia, middle east, europe, those areas that generally don't care about US or Japanese specific trends in these areas, but MS and Nintendo are feeling the pain from shifting markets on both the console and handheld sides.

 

[ethomaz]

So, Tegra N1 is a pascal chip. Cool.

Right now we have a 1.2 TFlops machine that run games at 1080p. The DF test with a 3.2 TFlops machine give us a 2K resolution. The Scorpio, a 6 TFlops machine, will give us a 4K resolution.

Now, what kind of power will be need to give us actual generation graphics at 540p?

DF machine was 4.2 TFlops and it gives you 1440p resolution (btw 2k resolution is 1080p).

6 TFlops won't give you 4k.

 

[Proelite]

So, Tegra N1 is a pascal chip. Cool.

Right now we have a 1.2 TFlops machine that run games at 1080p. The DF test with a 3.2 TFlops machine give us a 2K resolution. The Scorpio, a 6 TFlops machine, will give us a 4K resolution.

Now, what kind of power will be need to give us actual generation graphics at 540p?

200-300 Nvidia gigaflops.

 

[Malakai]

Game Freak has avoided console development for the mainline Pokémon games for so long, now they're likely gonna be forced into HD development for said mainline Pokémon games thanks to the NX.

Part of Pokemon appeal is that is on a portable console. I don't understand this obsession for wanting it on home console. Developing assets for HD Pokemon game would be extremely time consuming which would result in less games being produced overall.

 

[Drifters]

Exactly


Also, NateDrake just recently tweeted this.

"A number of factors..." Like how much bullshit I can get away with posting on Twitter without having it blow up in my face.

 

[StereoVsn]

Those clocks are extremely optimistic, especially in the mobile mode.

Esram would be needed if 64 bit bus, but unnecessary with 128bit bus.

If you look at say Qualcomm then 2Ghz CPU is not unexpected. Mali runs GPU at 700ish. Nvidia could get a mobile chip, especially for a device that's larger/thicker then regular 5.5" phone, with those clock rates. Well, on CPU, not sure about GPU here.

 

[cw_sasuke]

gamefreak be like

I think they will be just fine.

But yeah lazy devs will probably be exposed a bit faster on a more powerful system..lol.

 

[Asd202]

So, Tegra N1 is a pascal chip. Cool.

Right now we have a 1.2 TFlops machine that run games at 1080p. The DF test with a 3.2 TFlops machine give us a 2K resolution. The Scorpio, a 6 TFlops machine, will give us a 4K resolution.

Now, what kind of power will be need to give us actual generation graphics at 540p?

So much wrong in this post.

 

[ethomaz]

If you look at say Qualcomm then 2Ghz CPU is not unexpected. Mali runs GPU at 700ish. Nvidia could get a mobile chip, especially for a device that's larger/thicker then regular 5.5" phone, with those clock rates. Well, on CPU, not sure about GPU here.

Your clocks for GPU are ok... Tegra X1 is already running at 1000Mhz in 20nm.
Pascal is 16nm and can reach 1500+ Mhz.

But for mobile I expect something below 1000Mhz... the number of SMs from his guesses is low because the actual X1 already have 2SMs in 20nm.

 

[Andyliini]

gamefreak be like

Meanwhile Monolith Soft will be like:

 

[sixteen-bit]

Meanwhile Monolith Soft will be like:

I wonder if there's gonna be a XCX rerelease

 

[Calm Mind]

And it cures cancer.

Funny you should say that. http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=117577776

 

[Delio]

I dunno man I was already pretty happy with an X1 powered handheld but LCGeek being positive on it after watching how he was down on it before has me a bit more hyped than normal. In any case it will be a huge bump over the 3DS which is all i expected and im pretty happy with that as a handheld gamer.

 

[majik13]

I think the same.

I forgot about multiplats in Nintendo consoles 10 years ago with the arrival of Wii.

To me, Nintendo consoles right now are the platforms to play the best first-party exclusives and some amazing second/third-party eclusive games.

same as well. Im totally fine with a machine that plays Nintendo exclusives, any 3rd party support is a nice bonus. But even then, most of my friends will be other other platforms, so Id get multiplats on those other systems anyways.

 

[ethomaz]

My predictions for two possibles NX's GPU configs:

Pascal 3 SMs
Mobile @ 900Mhz = ~700 GFlops
Docked @ 1300Mhz = ~1.0 TFlops

Pascal 4 SMs
Mobile @ 750Mhz = ~770 GFlops
Docked @ 1300Mhz = ~1.33 TFlops

I hope they can work near 1500Mhz in docked mode with 4 SMs (~1.54 TFlops).

 

[Neonep]

Game Freak has avoided console development for the mainline Pokémon games for so long, now they're likely gonna be forced into HD development for said mainline Pokémon games thanks to the NX.

Yeah they are overdue. They are essentially forced at this point which is a good thing, forces them to innovate.

 

[jfoul]

If NX is using Pascal, we're probably looking at Tegra X2/Custom Design. The X2 would also be using TSMC's 16 nm FinFET+, instead of the bigger X1 TSMC 20 nm process. I think this is the reason Nintendo is missing the holidays in favor of a march release.

 

[tarheel91]

I don't think that they were serious.

Realistically, we shouldn't expect too much from this. I think the best case is something like this:

CPU: 4x Cortex A72 @2GH + 4x Cortex A53 @2GHz
GPU:2x Pascal SMs (256 CUDA cores) @700MHz (358 GFLOPS = ~448 GFLOPS) in portable mode and 1.2GHz (614 GFLOPS = ~768 AMD GFLOPS) in docked console mode with active cooling
RAM: 4-6GB LPDDR4 @25-30 GB/s (or 50-60 if Nintendo can add a 128-bit bus somehow), possibly with a 16-32MB eSRAM buffer

In the Nvidia vs. AMD FLOPS, keep in mind that Nvidia's stated FLOPS figure is always a minimum in desktop GPUs due to GPU Boost. Either way, I think that these are reasonable enough.

Pascal is a big benefit for the NX regardless of expectations because it will ultimately be thermally constrained and Pascal's perf/watt is much better than Maxwell. That's the takeaway. Regardless of whatever Nintendo's power consumption/dissipation targets were, they get more performance at that target with Pascal versus the previously assumed Maxwell from the X1.

 

[ethomaz]

If NX is using Pascal, we're probably looking at Tegra X2/Custom Design. The X2 would also be using TSMC's 16 nm FinFET+, instead of the bigger X1 TSMC 20 nm process. I think this is the reason Nintendo is missing the holidays in favor of a march release.

This was a given for me... nVidia is not working with 20nm anymore for new products.

Of course all GPU new products from nVidia will be based in Pascal 16nm.

 

[Hermii]

Prediction:

Docked: upclocked, extra memory, around Xbox one performance.

Portable: 540p screen, g sync so framerate don't have to target the screen refresh rate to look good.

 

[NateDrake]

"A number of factors..." Like how much bullshit I can get away with posting on Twitter without having it blow up in my face.

Factors like whether or not the dock improves performance, etc.. Information I do not have right now. This is why I don't share information ahead of time, because of shitty responses like this. I was right to keep things to myself, and will continue to do so in the future.

 

[Andyliini]

Between all these glops & tflops comparisons, I really miss the times when the value of a console was measured in bits. Oh, and sometimes also processor clockspeed in MHz or even color palette were used. 90's was cool.

 

[Night Angel]

These speculation threads always get dumb as fuck.

Nintendo is not going to release god tier tech at a low price.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

These speculation threads always get dumb as fuck.

Nintendo is not going to release god tier tech at a low price.

What if they get drunk all the time though???
Might be possible.

 

[frankie_baby]

Prediction:

Docked: upclocked, extra memory, around Xbox one performance.

Portable: 540p screen, g sync so framerate fluctuations gets less noticeable.

Would be surprised to see gsync as its a feature that would basically be useless when docked

 

[Snakeyes]

Factors like whether or not the dock improves performance, etc.. Information I do not have right now. This is why I don't share information ahead of time, because of shitty responses like this. I was right to keep things to myself, and will continue to do so in the future.

You're gonna let one random poster get to you like that?

 

[wwm0nkey]

These speculation threads always get dumb as fuck.

Nintendo is not going to release god tier tech at a low price.

Well the 2X/custom soc is possible if Nvidia really was willing to sell chips at a loss for not getting any console contracts. I'm not expecting Neo tier stuff but I think it'll be pretty good if current rumor is true

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Factors like whether or not the dock improves performance, etc.. Information I do not have right now. This is why I don't share information ahead of time, because of shitty responses like this. I was right to keep things to myself, and will continue to do so in the future.

I understand your annoyance but you're one of the good ones, don't let the "haters" stop you from sharing every now and then with those that appreciate it.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

I have no idea what this means. I just want to know if it's using an X1 or X2. I'm not going to be too thrilled if this thing releasing in like 8 months is using an X1. I already have that in my Shield that's over a year old.

 

[Hermii]

Would be surprised to see gsync as its a feature that would basically be useless when docked

It could sort of make up for it being less powerful when not docked.

 

[hemo memo]

Game Freak has avoided console development for the mainline Pokémon games for so long, now they're likely gonna be forced into HD development for said mainline Pokémon games thanks to the NX.

No 3D this time and a big jump from the previous handheld so they can go wild.

 

[Anarky]

Factors like whether or not the dock improves performance, etc.. Information I do not have right now. This is why I don't share information ahead of time, because of shitty responses like this. I was right to keep things to myself, and will continue to do so in the future.

Don't let one random guy on the internet get to you man.

 

[Orakio Rob]

I wonder if there's gonna be a XCX rerelease

If there is, I'll gladly play 300 hours of it... again.

 

[Leona Lewis]

Factors like whether or not the dock improves performance, etc.. Information I do not have right now. This is why I don't share information ahead of time, because of shitty responses like this. I was right to keep things to myself, and will continue to do so in the future.

Dunno, the rest of us sure seem happy with ya

 

[ethomaz]

Factors like whether or not the dock improves performance, etc.. Information I do not have right now. This is why I don't share information ahead of time, because of shitty responses like this. I was right to keep things to myself, and will continue to do so in the future.

Don't take these comments too serious... in every place will be people that shits over everything.

You did a pretty cool hint about the GPU and I (and others) appreciate it.

Thanks.

 

[wild wild rice]

Prediction:

Docked: upclocked, extra memory, around Xbox one performance.

Portable: 540p screen, g sync so framerate don't have to target the screen refresh rate to look good.

I would be totally happy with this. Time to temper expectations.

 

[KingBroly]

My predictions for two possibles NX's GPU configs:

Pascal 3 SMs
Mobile @ 900Mhz = ~700 GFlops
Docked @ 1300Mhz = ~1.0 TFlops

Pascal 4 SMs
Mobile @ 750Mhz = ~770 GFlops
Docked @ 1300Mhz = ~1.33 TFlops

I hope they can work near 1500Mhz in docked mode with 4 SMs (~1.54 TFlops).

Feels like you're overshooting without knowing what the CPU is going to be.

 

[NateDrake]

You're gonna let one random poster get to you like that?

I have a sinus infection, so I'm grumpy.

 

[Peterc]

Factors like whether or not the dock improves performance, etc.. Information I do not have right now. This is why I don't share information ahead of time, because of shitty responses like this. I was right to keep things to myself, and will continue to do so in the future.

We should have some kind of inside club where we can exclude that kind of gamers.

On the other hand, allot of rumors like from 10k and others was fake, so maybe i can understand some gamers that saying that.

i'm with you

 

[BDGAME]

So much wrong in this post.

OK, let me ask other thing them: what kind of power is safe to estimate for a overclock Tegra X1?

At FP32, a X1 have 0,5 TFlops. At FP16 it have the double. Overclocking can give a 1 TFlops at FP32?

 

[Dark Cloud]

Don't let one random guy on the internet get to you man.

For real. It's the Internet and not everybody will agree. Some will even just troll. 99% of us are happy with the info he's given us and what like to see more.

 

[ethomaz]

These speculation threads always get dumb as fuck.

Nintendo is not going to release god tier tech at a low price.

Tegra Pascal is not god tier tech lol
It is cheaper mobile tech.

 

[Gravidee]

I wonder if there's gonna be a XCX rerelease

I'd rather they release their new project first, which is hopefully some kind of direct sequel.