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That's a couple of frames. Wouldn't bother everyone but it's definitely perceptible.Could you even tell the difference between 50 and 20?
That's a couple of frames. Wouldn't bother everyone but it's definitely perceptible.Could you even tell the difference between 50 and 20?
Any reason to throw down a chunk of cash on a 4K set right now when the set you end up buying will probably be outdated and vastly surpassed by better (and cheaper) sets in a couple of years?
It's the HD-DVD vs BluRay battle again. Except this time it's a "quieter" battle. But since 40+ million PS4's will be activated for HDR 10, it's only a matter of time before the war is won.
Seeing as we are talking about Consumer Electronics, taking this mindset to its logical conclusion is to not buy anything ever.
is the europe model of the Samsung KS8000 the KS8090?
Id wait a year to let the dust settle and then get the 2nd wave of hdr tvs. So much confusion now and dont want to be the early adopter like those 4K 30hz people.
HDR looks awesome, but it's new and needs shit ironed out. Damn format wars
Not necessarily.
For a product like smartphones perhaps, but not really for displays.
When a new display product is still in its infancy/early stages it is expensive and not as good as it could be. But it eventually reaches a point where it's mass produced consistently at a very high quality and good price and any improvements are marginal/not noteworthy.
I bought my Panny 1080p plasma set during that "stage" of 1080p as a consumer product and it has held its own (quality and price wise) against the best 1080 sets available now for several years.
Correct.
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The KS8000 in PC mode has around 45ms input lag and can do full RGB 4:4:4 with 8bit colour. To switch to 10bit colour for the PC games that support HDR, you have to drop to Chroma 4:2:0 in your GPU's control panel.
In game mode it has ~25ms input lag and again will display at Chroma 4:2:0. The setting that game consoles and UHD players etc use.
On PC I have both profiles set up, and I switch between them depending on whether I am playing a game or just doing general PC use.
Overall it's a great TV to accompany a PC.
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VS the OLED's. As a quick statement, I would say with the Sammy KS you are getting 80% of the TV for 50% of the price. The picture quality is still fantastic and the input lag is better.
I can highly recommend the KS line for anyone looking for a 4K HDR TV.
I'd agree once we get confirmation what the input lag is in 4k with HDR. If it is still 22.6ms or in the ballpark then the question is whether to get this since it is the best option available or wait until next year when there is hopefully something comparable with full array local dimming.
RTings has it listed for 22.6 when using HDR playback for what that's worth
that rating is under 1080p because thats what Leo Bodnar test can measure, it cant measure 4K.... in comments they said they tried another method for 4K and it added extra 30ms to that test.
This is also what I have heard. Dang shame cause I wanted a tv that would be 4K ready for Scorpio but that I could also get now for my HDR Xbox one S lolthat rating is under 1080p because thats what Leo Bodnar test can measure, it cant measure 4K.... in comments they said they tried another method for 4K and it added extra 30ms to that test.
Could you even tell the difference between 50 and 20?
Any tv that can do Dolby Vision can have the ability to do HDR 10. Getting a tv that has DV is safest bet.
DV is one of 4 standards being pushed right now. Hdr 10 open standard, 10 bit color. DV studios industry professionals, not satisfied with 10 bit color, wanted more.
It's confusing and waiting year, will make things easier. If not waiting,grab set with both or atleast DV with 12 bit color capability.
Like the P series it can always have a patch, to enable hdr 10 since panel can support. HDR 10 only set can't add DV if it wins.
Also Sony Warner and others partner with dolby to support DV. You get as close to what industry professionals intend. Not pushing one or the other just giving info.
Even worse, there apparently is a third HDR format called HLG that may be used for broadcast TV. This may or may not be compatible with current monitors.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1473338993
30 in some tests on one set, 10 on another. The tests aren't as accurate as the Leo Bodner and experience seems to vary by set.
Sonys' decision to release the pro this year is so stupid. The installed base for 4k hdr low latency is basically non-existent and good ones cost 1k+$ for a console, which is all about small budget and low hardware cost
Very interesting on paper it looks like a good idea. To get 4k HDR content from broadcast would be huge for the format. It makes my decision to wait this out till my Panasonic plasma dies even easier to accept.
So it may be better to wait it out then. Good info expecially if new sets start releasing with this. Would this be a cheaper option?For example, LG used a HLG broadcast signal to demonstrate HDR video on one of its existing E6 OLED TVs (2016 line-up). The company says that its OLED TVs are compatible with the full range of HDR technologies. However, the E6 OLED model at IFA was a customized model and LG would not promise a firmware update to add HLG support to the 2016 TV line-up
Read more at http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1473338993#fXXkKjFTXW2mbFZq.99
Similarly, Samsung used IFA to demonstrate HLG-based HDR on one a modified version of its current KS9000 TV. It appeared to be the same satellite TV feed from SES Astra that LG was using. Samsung would not commit to update its 2016 TVs with HLG either at least not yet.
Sony launched a new projector, VPL-VW550ES, at IFA and promised to add HLG support via a firmware update later his year.
Panasonic and Philips also demonstrated HLG-based HDR on TVs with custom firmware. None of them would commit to update current models.
Read more at http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1473338993#fXXkKjFTXW2mbFZq.99
Maybe most games will go for better effects and more stable frame rate rather than higher resolution in their Pro versions until 4k is more prevalent?
It would potentially be 1080p HDR over broadcast due to bandwidth issues. To make matters even more complicated, some broadcasts may simply decide to go with 4K SDR over 1080p +HDR (can only choose one because of bandwidth issues); others may decide to go with 1080p + HDR over 4K SDR. It analogous to the 720p vs 1080i issue- to this day, FOX, ABC, ESPN still don't use the 1080 formats for broadcast.
So it may be better to wait it out then. Good info expecially if new sets start releasing with this. Would this be a cheaper option?
I assume you mean 2 other sets that aren't the KS8000, correct? So it's still possible that we find out eventually that the KS8000 has low input lag in 4K HDR?
I am hoping Tomb Raider model is what everyone will follow eventually. A 4k mode and a 1080 High/ultra settings mode. I am not a developer but if most of these games end up on the PC I don't think it would be a huge deal to do it that way.
I will defer to your expertise on the issue. From what everyone says the HDR part is by far the biggest upgrade. So even 1080p over HDR sounds like it would be a good compromise.
I bought a Samsung KS8000 55 Inch.
Played CoD BO3 on it yesterday and just did a feel test. I did it with it normal movie mode + HDR vs the Game Mode and there was very little difference. Period. Amazing TV.
Nope, it's the Samsung UExxKS7000. As long as it has 70xx it's the same TV. The other two digits could be different according to country, or a 5 at the end could indicate a different colour, etc.
Samsung model codes are confusing, especially this year as 8000 series is 7000 series in EU, 9000 is 8000 in EU and 9500 is 9000 in EU.
Would KS9000 have better or worse lag than 8000?I bought a Samsung KS8000 55 Inch.
Played CoD BO3 on it yesterday and just did a feel test. I did it with it normal movie mode + HDR vs the Game Mode and there was very little difference. Period. Amazing TV.
Even worse, there apparently is a third HDR format called HLG that may be used for broadcast TV. This may or may not be compatible with current monitors.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1473338993
Black ops 3 supports HDR?
Would KS9000 have better or worse lag than 8000?
This is the second wave.Id wait a year to let the dust settle and then get the 2nd wave of hdr tvs. So much confusion now and dont want to be the early adopter like those 4K 30hz people.
HDR looks awesome, but it's new and needs shit ironed out. Damn format wars
So pretty much the consensus is to get the Samasung KS8000? At this point I don't know if I should just use my current 1080p Bravia and wait for newer 4K HDR sets or just take the plunge and go with the KS8000.
Sorry if this has been answered already, but does anyone know the difference between "HDR Premium" and "HDR 1000" on Samsung tvs? I am at costco and the Samsungs have these different designations. Will they both work with the Pro?
What makes an Ultra HD Premium TV?
Here comes the science. There's no easy way to simplify this bit, but here's a rough summary of the technical bits.
Minimum resolution of 3,840 x 2,160 This is the simple part as this is the resolution the number of pixels that make up the TV's screen of 4K/Ultra HD TVs. There can be no confusion here.
10-bit colour depth This means that the TV must be able to receive and process a 10-bit colour signal, which refers to the number of colours a video signal contains. Blu-rays use 8-bit colour, which equates to just over 16 million individual colours.
10-bit colour, often called 'deep colour', contains over a billion colours. This doesn't mean the TV has to be able to display all those colours, only that it can process the signal. Most decent ones can, so there's no problem here.
Minimum of 90% of P3 colours 'P3' is what's known as a 'colour space', a standard that defines the colour information in a video stream. Colour spaces exist to ensure that the picture you see at home looks right. Think of it as the language of colour in the same way English is a language with rules people agree on.
To qualify as an Ultra HD Premium TV, a TV must be able to display 90% of the colours defined by the P3 colour space. This number is what's referred to as the colour gamut, or the number of colours a display can actually handle. So, a TV that can show '90% of P3 colours' would be said to have a 90% colour gamut.
The higher the number, the richer and more accurate the colours on a TV.
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DCI P3This is a comparison of different colour spaces. sRGB / Rec. 709 is the standard for current TVs and it covers only 80% of the colours available using the DCI P3 colour space. (Image Credit: Noteloop)
Minimum dynamic range If your head is hurting now then things are only getting worse from here on in. Sorry. To qualify, TVs have to meet a minimum standard for the maximum brightness they can reach and the lowest brightness known as black level they can achieve.
Sounds simple right? Wrong. That's because there are two different standards. They are:
OPTION 1: More than 1,000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05nits black level
OPTION 2: More than 540 nits brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level
The observant among you will notice that one demands higher peak brightness and accepts a higher (and therefore inferior) black level, while the other accepts a lower peak brightness but demands much lower (and therefore better) black level.
This is to accommodate the pros and cons of different TV technologies. LED TVs, which form the majority of TVs sold, support higher brightness but inferior black levels. OLED, meanwhile, can produce stunningly deep blacks, but aren't as bright.
In other words, the alliance has found a way to make everyone happy. Hurrah!
If you're interested, our guide to OLED vs LED LCD explains the differences between these rival technologies. And if you're wondering about Plasma TVs, wonder no longer: they're dead. No one makes them anymore
Why is the KS8000 I have been looking at in the UK like this? The base is different.
Is there a difference?