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[Tobor]

I'ts going to be very interesting to see how opinions play out once the honeymoon is over and everyone has had their fill of Zelda.

The drought for this system is going to sour people.

 

[Jacce]

I'ts going to be very interesting to see how opinions play out once the honeymoon is over and everyone has had their fill of Zelda.

The drought for this system is going to sour people.

Isn't that exactly why Nintendo is spacing out games? Mario Kart is out by the time people start finishing Zelda. Then shortly after is Arms. Then Splatoon 2.

 

[dickroach]

I love the idea of the Switch and I want Nintendo to succeed but there's so many glaring basic flaws with the system.

yeah, that's where I'm at.
I defended Nintendo all through the Wii U era, not only because they made some amazing games for that system but, because I was certain the lack out console games coming from them the last few years was a surefire sign that the NX was going to come out incredible with a TON of games.
the reveal was incredible. the idea of the switch is great. what they put out is a joke.

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

I agree with the OP. I'm a huge fan of Nintendo's first party games and don't give a shit about ports of third party games.

But this is the third home console in a row to be completely unappealing to me. I was unwilling to put up with the Wii's lack of HDMI and waggle controls. To me, the lack of modern (even for the time) online functionality and the fact that games looked like shit on modern TVs was inexcusable (unless you could track down a very expensive cable).

The Wii U was a shit show that needs no explanation.

The way Nintendo handles their VC and digital distribution makes me want to wretch.

GameCube was the last Nintendo console where I didn't feel like I was being raked over the coals by their business decisions and pure fucking anti-consumer hubris bullshit. The hardware issues, prices of accessories, lack of certain essential features like being able to back up and transfer saved games. FFS. What the fuck, Nintendo?

I really, REALLY want to play the new Zelda but I can't justify buying a console I'm confident won't be getting many games in my favorite series (F-Zero, Metroid to name a few).

 

[Flow-Walker]

I'ts going to be very interesting to see how opinions play out once the honeymoon is over and everyone has had their fill of Zelda.

The drought for this system is going to sour people.

Mario Kart is out next month. Splatoon likely the month later. Then there's stuff like DQ Heroes (not getting part II on the PS4 this time, getting the Switch version).

That's not to mention indies, with Blaster Master 0 on Thursday.

For most people with jobs and lives, you don't need to buy a new game every week.

 

[ngower]

PS4 did have a browser at launch. Your point still stands as it had issues such as thumbstick wear off and some bad HDMI ports at launch. However, I feel the switch issues are much more in quantity.


But some of those missing games and features is what caused the Wiiu sales to flatter. If the Switch don't have those soon specifically big third party support, I fear it will do Gamecube numbers at best.

Hm, there was something that came to the PS4 late. Swore it was the browser. Maybe it was the media player or something related to movie playback? I'm curious what issues specifically you would say are more significant? The apparent screen scratching seems like it could be fairly problematic, but I haven't personally had that experience and the hysteria in some of these threads makes it hard to discern just how serious/widespread the issue is. People who don't have problems aren't likely to make as loud a fuss as people with problems.

As for sales, that seems speculative. I don't really think we can judge much yet. If by E3 things look bleak with third parties, we might need to pressure for change, but I think no one can safely make any guesses on sales and support right now.

I dont think its fair to compare switch to the ps4 or xb1.
For starters, these consoles could launch without a single exclusive for a year and they would still have games every month.
Things like a browser and netflix are far more useful on a tablet than a console.
Lastly, these weren't successors to a giant flop of a console.
These arguments make total sense, the only problem is the "i dont need so and so" thing is what led the wii u to be what it was.
You dont need to care for call of duty to know it sells more than the total number of wii u's sold, every year.

Off course then theres the whole likely issue of Nintendo doing its 'new' iteration.

With how much you see enamoured by Nintendo, i wouldn't blame you for forgetting 3rd party games exist and sell truck loads, yes, real live actual people buy them and play them.

But is Nintendo satisfied with that? Are they content with only pulling in Nintendo only fans? Outside of the Wii, every console lifetime sales are on a downward trend, would Nintendo be fine with 10mil or less console sales this gen?

Why isn't it fair to judge each the same? The Switch has third party games (Skyrim, FIFA, etc) on the way. Sure, getting AC and CoD and all that is gonna make a difference, but I'm not ready to say or imply that third party support on the Switch is dead.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I'ts going to be very interesting to see how opinions play out once the honeymoon is over and everyone has had their fill of Zelda.

The drought for this system is going to sour people.

I'd imagine most who brought at launch would know what they were in for.

 

[oakenhild]

I do think it's missing some big features that would be nice to have, and are standard with other systems. OP is definitely right about the Switch missing features.

But....every time I pick up the switch it just feels great. The UI is fast and clean. Games load quickly and look great on the screen. Docking and undocking just works so well. Playing Zelda and indie games anywhere in the house is pretty neat.

I'm willing to wait for the other features. That being said, waiting for a few months to buy the Switch is a perfectly reasonable decision for those interested in the system.

 

[TC McQueen]

I think the most egregious thing about the Switch is this tidbit that Linus Tech Tips showed off:
https://youtu.be/8GsXbuR23WU?t=442

Nintendo had all that space to put in another processor, some cooling, or even a really good upscaler, and they do nothing with it, while still charging $90 for the dock.

 

[Hibiki Kurosawa]

Yeah, my switch is still on the way so I don't know this stuff first hand, but I don't care for how some of it is handled with regards to OS and messaging friends and the whole phone app shit. I always have hope Nintendo can just do some basic console features like the others, but they always do things differently, intentionally or not.

 

[biggersmaller]

I thought I was going to skip the Switch. Bought one today. Go figure.

My biggest complaint is the lack of Virtual Console support. It feels like repurchasing the same iTunes content for every new iPhone, then with the iPhone 8 Apple just quietly not supporting iTunes period.

I love classic games. Just let me buy them or I'm just going to pirate them instead.

 

[echoshifting]

Isn't that exactly why Nintendo is spacing out games? Mario Kart is out by the time people start finishing Zelda. Then shortly after is Arms. Then Splatoon 2.

Do a Mario Kart enhanced port and a fighter with motion controls (unless they're optional?) have the same universal appeal as most major Nintendo games though? Certainly not on the same level as Zelda

It will be good to have some more fun multiplayer games but that's not the same level of engagement you are going to get with a new Zelda or Mario, or even a brand new Mario Kart (though admittedly, I'm sure a lot of people missed Mario Kart 8)

Early droughts aren't that unusual, I'm sure the Switch will weather it, but it will indeed be interesting to see what people think of it then

 

[outunderthestars]

Meh.

I love the minimal OS. I didn't care for the feature bloat and like having a lean, fast OS that isn't gummed up with Miiverse crap.

Zelda is awesome and the system brings me a sense of joy.

 

[ViolentP]

I'd imagine most who brought at launch would know what they were in for.

Pretty much for me at least. It was ultimately the reception of BotW that finally pushed me over the edge. I essentially agreed to pay $360 for a single game and I did so knowing that there could ultimately be nothing else for me on the platform. But hey, I like games and I like a little bit of insurance.

 

[The Big N]

According to a Nielson survey relased 1 year after PS4 release, the number 1 reason purchased a PS4 was graphics. So some people upgraded their consoles to play the same games in better graphics.

So that would make them die hard fans as they were willing to spend an extra $400-500 for a superior experience. Just like there were some Zelda fans who spent the extra money on a Switch. As I said, unless you're a fan of the company or one of the launch games there is no point in owning a new console at launch. You will save money, avoid the beta phase, get access to a larger library of games, plus you get all the features that are implemented during the launch year.

 

[Flow-Walker]

Do a Mario Kart enhanced port and a fighter with motion controls (unless they're optional?) have the same universal appeal as most major Nintendo games though? Certainly not on the same level as Zelda

It will be good to have some more fun multiplayer games but that's not the same level of engagement you are going to get with a new Zelda or Mario, or even a brand new Mario Kart (though admittedly, I'm sure a lot of people missed Mario Kart 8)

The Wii U was pretty much a failure. More people are engaging with the Switch right now so it's the perfect time to grab people who never played 8 on the Wii U.

 

[Raven117]

Yeah.. ugh... I kinda love mine


That first time I went from the handle held to the dock, my 10 year old self who played Tetris on gamebou squealed.

Sure, they have some tweaks to make. But if they have the combined forces of the 3ds type games and the big Zelda Mario games... this system will be a hit. It's just too slick

 

[OryoN]

I'ts going to be very interesting to see how opinions play out once the honeymoon is over and everyone has had their fill of Zelda.

The drought for this system is going to sour people.

Zelda was top pick, but that doesn't necessarily means that it's the only game people were/are interested in. I don't see this "drought" that you speak of. Sure, it won't be raining games either, but there do seem to be decent spread of 1st party games leading up to the fall, with indie games to fill the smaller gaps. We won't see that 3+ month gap that we saw with 3DS and Wii U.

 

[MoonFrog]

My main take away is I don't see this in such a strong light. Maybe it's just because Switch does all I actually really want it to do and I can't understand wanting these other features. But idk...I get being bummed, I don't get being all that angry. And you encounter people of both stripes. Like people literally questioning how you could rationally like the device with its feature set and people who are being calm about it and pointing out what a) they want the device to do, b) what other similar devices do, and c) not blowing things out of proportion, as if Switch was mainly an all-purpose tablet or home console rather than a dedicated gaming portable first.

It can be hard to tell who is who on the internet and it doesn't help that people often come into these discussions thinking its the former, a mix of concern trolls and people raging a bit hard. This assumption pushes the latter sort into escalating their language and then the sorting of who is who is harder.

...

So my take on some common problems:

Street pass makes sense for the sleep mode functionality. It is sad though. Didn't get to do much with it personally, but I imagine it was cool in a city with lots of 3DS.

Imagine streetpass if it were on original DS in, say, Tokyo. Always loved the idea; never got to use it much. Think I only ever got one streetpass at college and none while getting my master's (Chicago and Boston respectively).

No browser is basically asking you to have another device handy if you tend to check internet while gaming. Personally, I do that when I do that anyway, but I get how that's annoying, especially when playing it as a home console, I'd imagine as most people with a Switch probably also have a smart device when they're out and about.

No save transfer is an obnoxious oversight that probably isn't much of a problem if Nintendo provides a method soon.

No charging grip in main package is odd nickel and diming but I really doubt they'll be that useful anyway, unless you are already buying a second set of joycon + grip.

Pro controller is not that much more expensive (MSRP) than other modern controllers; has great battery and feature set.

Joycon have a lot of tech and double as 2 controllers in party games. Still, expensive together, but go for pro controller if you don't need them for party functionality.

Dock is being sold for cheaper than announced.

On board memory is limited, but a) most games will be pretty small and b) if you were going to buy a lot and go digital a lot, you were always going to have to buy extra drive.

Zelda is a killer launch title. Launch is stronger thanks to no region locking too. I don't really think they should have released much more.

1 2 Switch should have been a pack in.

The specs, screen, build are pretty great for a handheld and hybrid. Hybrid is also what Nintendo should have made.

Battery is not what we dream of, but it was as good as we could reasonably expect. This is where the technology is.

 

[Tobor]

Isn't that exactly why Nintendo is spacing out games? Mario Kart is out by the time people start finishing Zelda. Then shortly after is Arms. Then Splatoon 2.

A couple of ports and a motion control fighting game are not nearly enough.

They need more solid meaty games like Zelda, and there is nothing else in that vein between now and Fall.

This is why you have to get third party content to be competitive.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

Is it wrong that I agree 100% with the Miyamoto quote on the OP? lol

I think this is a very hasty topic to be making... 2 days after launch. Unless you're afraid it'll actually succeed and people won't care for most of these points.

 

[E_Darkness]

The only real issues I have with the Switch is the glaring oversight of the dock scratching the screen. The screen is plastic so it doesn't shatter when dropped, but then the dock doesn't have any padding to stop the screen getting scratched? And the other is Mario Kart 8 isn't until the end of April?

We don't need VC when we've got the superior NeoGeo with the only Metal Slug game SNK seems to care about!

Spoiler

I wish there was more games currently. I'm almost tempted to get Shovel Knight for the first time now...

 

[Zen_Arcade]

A couple of ports and a motion control fighting game are not nearly enough.

They need more solid meaty games like Zelda, and there is nothing else in that vein between now and Fall.

This is why you have to get third party content to be competitive.

They have a ton of third party indie support.

 

[The Big N]

Spoiler

I wish there was more games currently. I'm almost tempted to get Shovel Knight for the first time now...

You would not be disappointed. Shovel Knight is amazing and Specter of Torment is a great add-on. Its currently timed exclusive for the Switch.

 

[AquaWateria]

A couple of ports and a motion control fighting game are not nearly enough.

They need more solid meaty games like Zelda, and there is nothing else in that vein between now and Fall.

This is why you have to get third party content to be competitive.

You do realize Arms can be played with a pro controller so it's not just a motion control game. Plus it's being made by the Mario Kart team so it will likely have a good amount of content.

Also you forgot Splatoon which will definitely be a meaty game.

 

[The Lamp]

It's funny. I agree with all of your criticisms. They really fucked up.

But I still love my Switch lol. I love the snappy UI and the concept is so thrilling: my gaming goes with me everywhere, and then back to my TV. Same game, same saves. Seamless.

I imagine in a year when it's $50 cheaper and has proper UI apps and Nintendo recalls broken hardware, it'll be fully appreciated. But yeah, right now it's rough.

 

[GetLucky]

A couple of ports and a motion control fighting game are not nearly enough.

They need more solid meaty games like Zelda, and there is nothing else in that vein between now and Fall.

This is why you have to get third party content to be competitive.

Splatoon 2 is not a port. Hence the "2".

 

[apieceofstrange]

The joycons do feel like a gimmick and the accessory pricing is pretty terrible, but I still feel okay about my purchase. I bought an extra set of joycons and a charging grip and already returned them because I can't ever see playing on half a joycon being viable.

Still, it's more or less what I was expecting from a new Nintendo console. Just needs some more games now. Even having some bare bones ports of standout Wii U titles ready to go for launch would have made a big difference.

I think for the most part people are able to overlook all the flaws right now because Zelda is living up to the hype.

 

[Crazyorloco]

I just think it needs more games (world of goo was suppose to be a launch game!). I thought the indies would have a stronger presence and virtual console support there Day one.

I'm not happy about friend codes, but they say they'll change this soon so let's give them a chance.

But...
I'm Having a great time with my Switch. I'm sorry that the OP isn't enjoying his/her system (if they even own one). Snipperclips is awesome with groups. The UI is the best out of the three consoles right now. It's simple, neat, and quick. No bullshit.

It's been one day and this thread exists. You must have counted down the days since your old thread was locked/deleted.

 

[CrocoDuck]

I really like the concept of this system, and from my time with it, it works rather well; but I acknowledge what the op states and there are many basic flaws with the system.

 

[Tanoooki]

The OS and online experience is the biggest problem. Nintendo has failed on this terribly. I'm sure people at the Treehouse express similar concerns but I believe that there is a culture in Japan that does not or refuses to build a proper online platform because it goes against some in-company philosophy.

 

[ResidentWeevil13]

Enjoying Zelda so much that the other concerns I've had have just melted away.

Also I don't know what you are talking about with the joycon not functioning well as two separate controllers. I was actually surprised at how comfortable they were. I've been happily playing Snipper Clips with my brother using the joycon, and I've been using the supposedly terrible right joycon in perfect comfort. I wouldn't want to play an intense session of smash with just one joycon, but as a tool to share a simple and friendly multiplayer session they work perfectly.

 

[DevilSnake]

I don't understand the blind hatred OP is getting from a lot of these replies, he made valid points & backed them up, is it really too hard for people to do the same if they disagree?

Refusing to acknowledge & call Nintendo out on their shortcomings just because Zelda is good or you're still enjoying the novelty allows fixable issues to become long term problems, especially hardware related ones that could be solved in the next batch if enough people make it Nintendo's priority.

Look at the PS3 & PS4, even fans who loved the systems consistently complained from the beginning to Sony about issues like no ingame XMB, no party chat, poor DS build quality, no system folders, terrible online infrastructure etc & what happened? They addressed them, sure there's still things to improve but we're leaps & bounds ahead of the PS3 launch in almost every regard.

Nintendo on the other hand have repeatedly ignored legitimate problems & criticisms, opting to just do things their way, & instead of challenging this, lots of their fans are actively embracing this mentality, allowing Nintendo to continue doing it.
Now i'm not saying Nintendo aren't making improvements, because they are in some areas, but they've just released a new system that has some glaring issues, both new & old, a lot of which could have been addressed before launch. Now, does this take away from the systems good points? No, but It's essentially the customer/fan job to demand they get the best possible product, don't just ignore & accept legitimate problems long term because Zelda is occupying you short term. Although with that said, there's good & bad ways to go about this, considered points like OP has brought up are a much better way to ask a company for something than just yelling profanities or idiotic comments.

 

[matrix-cat]

It's competent. The features they advertised for it are functional at best, and even then the Wifi and Joycon issues are indefensible. Like, come on, it's not a 'fantastic' system; the thing straight up doesn't work for some people because Nintendo designed it badly.

I'm having fun with Zelda, but I can't play it with the JoyCons because of the sync issues, and the game runs at 20-something FPS basically at all times. It's nice to be able to switch between my TV and the Switch itself, but I had to tape some padding to my dock so I don't scratch the shit out of my screen. Nintendo is so renowned for their quality hardware that even when they put out something that's actually pretty shoddy people just pretend it isn't.

 

[Jimrpg]

The perfect Nintendo console would have been something like a DS Lite/3DS sized portable without any gimmicks. No 3D, no extra cameras, no waggle, certainly no detachable controllers regular D-pad. $199. 720p on both dock and handheld.

For local - multi, they could sell joy cons that you can carry around if you want.

 

[Crazyorloco]

Is it wrong that I agree 100% with the Miyamoto quote on the OP? lol

I think this is a very hasty topic to be making... 2 days after launch. Unless you're afraid it'll actually succeed and people won't care for most of these points.

Sodium chloride levels are high in this thread.


Also OP, I played with the joy cons individually for hours, no problem. And many others have too. I think it's only an issue with the minority.

 

[EGOMON]

OP I learned not to discuss anything remotely bad about Nintendo in this forum, good luck!

 

[bomblord1]

Sorry Op none of the problems you feel are problems seem like problems to me.

I like the OS because it's quick, minimal, and responsive. While I understand it's nice to have additional features the only feature I need out of the box is the ability to play the games I want to play.

I despise achievements in their current form with a burning passion.

The accessories are completely reasonably priced and in line with competing products within a $10 threshold

The online services are currently free and at the full launch will be less than 1/3rd competitor prices

The gimmick is you can take your games on the go and it does it flawlessly

I haven't experienced a single hardware issues

From my experience It's an amazing system that does everything I want it to do out of the box with enough games I'm interested in to keep me busy until the next big game comes out.

And Zelda is amazing

 

[weekev]

I got my Switch knowing full well it's a soft launch and I'm essentially a beta tester for it and I'm cool with that. I agree there's stuff missing from the OS but I'm confident that will change.

Online is terrible ATM but only a handful of games use it and I'm not fussed about playing them online. They have till Arms/Splatoon launch to get something adequate in place such as searching for friends with their username, linking social media and adding folks you have just played with online.

I'm sure I read that DENA are going to be doing a lot of the work on the online infrastructure so I think all of the stuff I mentioned above will be addressed.

As for games, I loved my WiiU and the quality of games was spectacular. I can't see 3DS support lasting much longer which means more people to work on Switch games. The games will come and they will be spectacular.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

The perfect Nintendo console would have been something like a DS Lite/3DS sized portable without any gimmicks. No 3D, no extra cameras, no waggle, certainly no detachable controllers regular D-pad. $199. 720p on both dock and handheld.

For local - multi, they could sell joy cons that you can carry around if you want.

How is that supposed to work on a small low quality screen?

 

[Chitown B]

streetpass? This isn't a DS.

 

[oakenhild]

streetpass? This isn't a DS.

Streetpass was a good idea in theory, but just didn't do enough. Much more of a gimmick than anything useful or fun. In fact, I kind of found it tedious to have to load it up when I had a streetpass.

 

[maxcriden]

Mario Kart is out next month. Splatoon likely the month later. Then there's stuff like DQ Heroes (not getting part II on the PS4 this time, getting the Switch version).

That's not to mention indies, with Blaster Master 0 on Thursday.

For most people with jobs and lives, you don't need to buy a new game every week.

Just a small amendment, ARMS is a Spring release so that's coming between MK and Spla2n, the latter of which is slated for summer and has been specified by Nintendo to not be coming in H1. So, given the summer holiday in Japan, it's probably coming in July or August. I agree with you though that there are plenty of games coming to the system.

 

[Illucio]

I like the OS and how clean and simplified it is. There is a bit of a beauty to it. But no Miiverse or Internet Browser was indeed very sad. I actually wanted to look up a few things on the Internet for Zelda (cooking recipes) but I felt a little annoyed having to go on my phone or labtop to do so. I feel like the Switch could had incorporated the Internet very well.

The console is WAY TOO Flat. It needs some sort of buldge or curve to it in order to have a better grip in portable mode.

Ans accessories need a price drop.

Besides all that. The console is very nice and feels premium and will probably sell fairly well. But it's not going to be a huge success. This just feels like the console we should had gotten last gen.

 

[Ogodei]

The launch feels like just a soft-launch to ride the Zelda wave. Everything is as barebones as it gets.

My guess is that the real "launch" will be holiday season. But things are going to be rough once the Zelda honeymoon ends.

Once the Zelda honeymoon ends, we get Splatoon.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

The Switch will be a success..

I already see non-gamers taking about it the way they talked about the Wii, most of those people wouldn't know what a Wii U is even if you hit them on the fave with one


Nintendo will win the casual gamers, and I think the hardcore gamers will still have their titles this time unlike the Wii

 

[ZZMitch]

Once the Zelda honeymoon ends, we get Splatoon.

As someone who doesn't own a Wii U I am super pumped about Mario Kart 8.

 

[Dsyndrome]

Steam doesn't, Android doesn't, IOS doesn't, Origin doesn't, UPlay doesn't, GOG doesn't, Humble Doesn't, Blizzard.net doesn't.

MS and Sony do. That's literally it. That's not an industry standard.

Origin, Uplay, GOG, Blizzard, and Steam all have achievements. Try again.

They have optional achievements.
Giving developers the option to have achievements isn't good enough for some people.

Nintendo doesn't even give the option so...

There is no such concept outside of Xbox and Playstation.

I'm convinced now that you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Alucrid]

Origin, Uplay, GOG, Blizzard, and Steam all have achievements. Try again.

so does google play. in fact fire emblem heroes has google play trophies

 

[MickeyPhree]

How is that supposed to work on a small low quality screen?

He said it still had a dock for the tv.