panda-zebra
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Hopefully there will just be less of that nonsense all round. Not saying it won't take some kind of transition.
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Digital Foundry: Assassin creed origins Xbox one x tech first look.
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Hopefully there will just be less of that nonsense all round. Not saying it won't take some kind of transition.
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This
almost like its up to the developer but they have options.
wesleyshark
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Unfortunately the only conclusion I'm making is that, and this isn't the only case coming out of E3, where Microsoft is saying the performance difference between the X and the alternatives (PC, Pro) justifies the price difference, which it's turning out that it doesn't.
Caayn
Member
Uncharted 4? I wasn't aware that the PS4 supported Dolby Atmos, I can't find the setting in the audio menu. I do know that the PS4 supports 3D audio for headsets.
Good to know, thanks
LordOcidax
Member
Fake 4K like the Pro...... Lolol. This half gen is going to be fun on Gaf... Grabbing popcorn
This is why I said people are clueless.
Ubisoft built this game at 900p with checkerboard capabilities for consoles. It appears that they are aiming for high PC settings and checkerboarding rather than normal console settings and 4K. I have zero doubt this game could run at 4K if they didn't decide to go with higher graphic settings.
This is where Microsoft allowing the devs to make a decision comes in.
These threads are a combination of ignorance and being dense.
DF even said in their last video that the Assassin's Creed engine on consoles was previously built for 900p. They wondered how it would be handled. This gives us an idea of what Ubisoft has decided to do.
I pay attention and I watched the announcement keynote, just have a look at the left icon to tell you the 2 techniques used to achieve that 4k. That's the impression I got by them, clear and simple
Clearly you did not. Cerny is talking about improvements for 4k tv owners. Not even 1 minute later he is talking about 'advanced rendering techniques and algorithms, impressively close to realizing the full potential of 4k'
19:00 mark.
No smoke and mirrors.
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
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MilkyJoe
Member
No worries, I think when they talked about it they gave it a different name, but it was spoken about, yes.
GHG
Gold Member
Yes, cherry pick a post from when all we had at that point was a mediocre trailer and no details on any of the changes that had been made to the game. Forgive me for being cautious based on the fact that for the previous 2 Motorsport games fan feedback had largely been ignored while they chased after the casual gamer market. No, don't look at the more recent posts in the Forza thread since all the details have filtered out. That would be too difficult wouldn't it?
But I would expect nothing less considering you previously cherry picked a quote from a website that looked like it hadn't been updated during this decade in a futile attempt to prove a point about icons and their meanings.
mercenar1e
Member
not only does the game rely on checkerboard rendering it also uses dynamic resolution scaling? i think that tells me all i need to know about the true power and capabilities of the console.
Not really when Phil and all his PR team have said TRUE 4K over and over again ever since E3 last year. But first game under DF test shows checkerboard beeing used, its all lies plain and simple. At least Sony have been honest about using checkerboard from day one.
ReplacementPelican
Member
'Xombies'?
I think you're on the wrong forum mate. You're not wrong in essence, there were lots of people shitting on checkerboarding but attributing that to some wanton fanboyery is the leap you're making.
Sure, there have been trolls on Gaf in some non-native 4K threads and yes there was a lot of assumption made that Scorpio wouldn't have to 'resort' to this method (even though we've known for a while it likely would) and there was some shitposting about that but those people may likely still hold those beliefs. You can't actually attribute this kind of shit unless you look at a poster that you suspect of being an 'Xombie' and produce evidence of them rallying against the idea previously. Without doing that your post is bullshit.
Maybe you should do this: when you think someone is being an 'Xombie' just check their previous posting history as they're likely not some kind of brazen, mindless fanboy and if you do that enough you may learn that very few people on this forum are those sorts of people.
Phil Spencer's line was bullshit and has been rightly called out as so. Did some people agree and believe the PR line? Maybe. I didn't really see them though.
But you're not exactly helping. You seem upset about shitposting but then why shitpost? This isn't a forum that likes this kind of thing regardless of what side you're on and if you want to run around using words like 'Xombie' you may be better off in the Youtube comments.
As an addendum: checkerboarding is fine and a lot better than solutions we used to see on non-native games.
arhra
Member
The initial DF reveal mentioned (in passing) that they have some level of hardware support for checkerboarding techniques, so they probably have something equivalent to the object/primitive ID buffer in the Pro (maybe not the exact same implementation, but equivalent functionality), which helps reduce the artifacting compared to implementations on the base consoles (which have to guess object boundaries based on contrast/colour similarities, etc).
And you know that because..how do you know that?
Also for the really nitpicky here he is more clear on what he means with the capabilities of The One X, I will just refer to this clip if anyone starts to pull that other quote. And for all intents and purposes, this is at least in video, where as the other one is an article that has been edited, not saying that he hasn't said those things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7nH9-H4YE8&t=11m51s
But I still take issue with how he says that the slim, s and pro are in their own league.. It is meant to compete with the pro, but I guess it is giant leap, not only in specs but also in features.
It's not lies in the slightest. The console is capable of running games at true 4k, but they're not mandating it. Anyone on this silly 'true 4k' agenda hunt is barking up the wrong tree. We'd be in a much worse position if they mandated native 4k over letting devs do as they choose. They're providing a platform with a pretty large amount of power for a current console, then it's up to the devs to how they utilise that. Ark for example is going for 1080p 60fps. Different approaches will work for different games, it's up to the devs.
LukasTaves
Member
DF couldn't find any instance of the resolution dropping though.
However it's very likely Ms is asking developers to support dynamic scaling, because makes it easier to support xbonex, and allows them to have vsync on at all times and still deliver a locked framerate even in the most intense scenes.
get2sammyb
Member
Checkerboard rendering makes sense. The sooner people get over this whole "NATIVE" thing the better.
Luckydog
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How is it a cherry pick? E3 just began and the Forza thread isnt even that long. You can move the goalposts all you want but the point stands. Even your latest post is resigned to love/hate on Forza. The first response is always that something MS did is negative. And your link to ESRB ratings stands as well. The icon doesnt show mild language, I have to go to a webpage to read it.....you know, just like the 4K icon from Microsoft has a clear webpage laying out techniques to reach 4K.
MS has been clear from the beginning the made a console to reach native for 4K and seem to be pushing that for all their titles. They have also been clear that while they built the machine for native 4K, Devs can do what they want. No amount of complaining/shitting on MS because you made up your own definition of what a "True 4K" console is will change that...
Zombie James
Banned
Almost unfair 4K.
How many times do people have to iterate this. The 1X was designed to play X1 games at 4K. They took Assassins Creed, took it to 4K and cranked the settings up to PC high and now it's CB in Alpha.
This isn't the case of it not being a "true 4K" console, it's that they just think it's better to crank everything up high as it provides a better image.
RichiRamjag
Member
That's how I've always felt tbh. I feel like the chase of native isn't worth it, so I don't mind this personally.
In regards to True "4K" or whatever, it's just PR buzzwords folks. A lot of you would be happier if you just thought of it as that and moved on.
They also said the XOX and PS4Pro weren't competitors because XOX is a is a true 4K console.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
That whole conference Microsoft talked about the Xbox One X being a true 4K machine and the first Xbox One X game Digital Foundry analyzes uses CBR. You can't make this stuff up lol.
Luckydog
Member
It was a stupid, STUPID statement on his part and all it did was rile up the Sony Defense Force because he threw shade at the beloved pro.
Basically.
By doing the latter, it's inviting this 'lol true 4K' reaction when non-native XB1X titles appear. Clearly some people are finding this reaction annoying, but it's been stoked by Microsoft's marketing speak vs the competition.
I bet even the PS5, maybe not even the PS6 will run every single title native 4k. Devs will use the power how they feel suits the particular game the best.
He is too busy purifying pixels at the moment. Pls call later.
Thats a Greay Area
Member
Hasn't Ubi been doing checkerboard for a while now, even on PC? Rainbow 6, Watchdogs 2, etc....
LordOcidax
Member
But but Mic says that the XB1X is a pure 4k machine....
Not lies at all.
Sure, they use the term "True 4K" in their PR talk, but they have never stated or promised that every game will run in native 4K on Xbox One X. On the contrary they have been very clear from the start, that it is up to the developers to choose what they wanna do with the extra power given to them.
If you were under the impression all games will run in native 4K on Xbox One X, Im afraid thats entirely on you.
Gradly
Member
Yea I watched it at that time and got full impression of what the device is capable of
Not sure why you are contradicting yourself but those advanced techniques etc are whats known as checkerboard or not native 4k anyway, so the message was clear dont expect native 4k
irrotational
Member
Hurrah!
In other news..if they enable cross play, can I get the other half of my 4k pixels from my friends pro!?
#True4K4Ever
GHG
Gold Member
How is it a cherry pick? E3 just began and the Forza thread isnt even that long. You can move the goalposts all you want but the point stands. Even your latest post is resigned to love/hate on Forza. The first response is always that something MS did is negative. And your link to ESRB ratings stands as well. The icon doesnt show mild language, I have to go to a webpage to read it.....you know, just like the 4K icon from Microsoft has a clear webpage laying out techniques to reach 4K.
MS has been clear from the beginning the made a console to reach native for 4K and seem to be pushing that for all their titles. They have also been clear that while they built the machine for native 4K, Devs can do what they want. No amount of complaining/shitting on MS because you made up your own definition of what a "True 4K" console is will change that...
You know what, I'm going to do this for you because either you really struggle with comprehension or how time works. These are my latest posts in the Forza thread:
Your claims yesterday about the ESRB were that "E for everyone" doesn't actually mean for everyone when the fact is that right now it does. The ratings have been adjusted since whatever decade old website you managed to find to quote had last been updated (which isn't the first result on Google if you google "ESRB ratings" by the way). The reason for them being updated and them adding a new E 10+ category? To make sure the icons actually match the meaning in order to ensure transparency. E actually means for everyone. Just like how "True 4K" should mean just that but for some reason in the context of Xbox's marketing it doesn't. No matter how much you or the company you seem to worship try to spin it, "true 4K" is a definition that should be reserved for native games only.
So no, I'm not the one moving the goalposts. You might seem to think that because you have decoupled yourself from the reality of the scenario and what is being posted. Nothing you post is factual or well researched. It tends to be cherry picked false or outdated information fit to suit whatever agenda you have at any given time.
I'm not contradicting myself... You are.
EDIT: thinking about it... Did you fall over my "no smoke and mirrors"? I intended that to mean Sony didn't used marketing spin to make it seem like a 'true 4k' console. And where they did, they did use fineprint. It would probably be better if MS started using True 4K or *
So what is he talking about here, specifically the last part?
Phil The Spinster said:
Zombie James
Banned
This is basically going to be how every Xbox thread goes down, going forward, isn't it..
Reckheim
Member
Ok, i'm curious, what do people consider 'true 4k' console, why even use the terms when some of the games on it wont be 'true 4k'.
Its misleading.
But yesterday you said (when pleading the case of PS4 Pro not being a true 4K console)
a Master Ninja
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Stop making sense.