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[gundamkyoukai]

The info that SuperDaE has shared all seems to regard old dev kits. It's really weird.

If i remember right robo you said Orbis had new devs kit recently ?
I expect both consoles to be close don't see what the big deal is .

 

[publicpwnerer]

Next gen wars are fought before there is even a battlefield.

War, has changed.







Back to the topic...

Even if one of the consoles were to have a slight advantage, it'd mean nothing in terms of third party, which is 90% of the software.

Considering the rumours of the new consoles being quite similar to PC's, I don't think it'll take as long as this generation to see devs squeeze every drop of power from the machines (PS3, prime example)

 

[Pharaoh 117]

I really don't understand people wanting one machine to be much better than the other. Multiplats will always be developed with the weaker one in mind. If the leaks on Durango are wrong and the machine is closer to Orbis it's great news all around.

 

[SneakyStephan]

I really don't understand people wanting one machine to be much better than the other. Multiplats will always be developed with the weaker one in mind. If the leaks on Durango are wrong and the machine is closer to Orbis it's great news all around.

I want both to not be shit... even orbis isn't looking mindblowing right now.

Does it compute? It's not about orbis being better, it's about durango having to be powerful regardless of if orbis is a nasa supercomputer or a glorified Iphone.

@ all these 'leaks' and tweets, I can't wait for the 20th and for whenever MS reveal their console and I hope they both show detailed specs so we can have something tangible to discuss.
It was fun at the start but by now everything and everyone is so suspect that it seems pointless to even dignify any of the information anymore.

Some may be for real but it's guaranteed that most of these sources, people with sources, leaks and tweats are a cry for attention, clickbait or just people taking the piss or trying to get a rise out of others.
And I don't just mean this superdae guy, everyone is suspect by now.. aegis, vgleaks , thuway and all the others just as much.
Even people who aren't anonymous can these days just spout bullshit because nowadays there is always the excuse of 'trolling' to fall back on, well that and journalism for anything gaming relating being a total joke (vgleaks, aegis being suspect just look at the amount of total hogwash that was presented as 'sourced' by other publications, nothing came from that because games journalism).

Even any of it that is actually leaked is highly suspect due to how much of it can just be controlled leaks, early viral marketing or people with a conflict of interest (anyone remember the amount of bullshit coming out of dev's mouths right before last gen started? I wouldn't take any dev's word as gospel either right now or ever)

 

[iamvin22]

Sold for a lot more.

wtf...why would you buy a devkit knowing that ms can track it? you will only have that initial sdk, thats it, no updates ever. no support. nothing!

if he is selling his durango kit then why not put your orbis kit up for sale? this guy screams attention.

 

[mohsinkhan]

Next gen wars are fought before there is even a battlefield.

Thats deep bro.

 

[rouken]

The Kaz gifs are awesome!

It's the start of a new console generation and things are only going to get more crazy from this point on. Just grab your balls, hold on tight and enjoy the madness.

yeah, that's why im kinda tame from all the crazy talk going on in the specs thread. i'll join in when the real facts arrived.

I think that MS console warrior is responding to the vitriol in the Microsoft new IP and Durango GPU threads. While the posts are numerous in the jabs (Hey, it's new console season!)... SonyGAF does not represent all of GAF.

but sonygaf arrived in full force in the ps meeting thread, and i think i've heard ps4 > nextbox so many times that i think ps4 already won even if its not released yet

 

[Reiko]

I want both to not be shit... even orbis isn't looking mindblowing right now.

Does it compute? It's not about orbis being better, it's about durango having to be powerful regardless of if orbis is a nasa supercomputer or a glorified Iphone.

The loser is the one who prices itself out of the market. I doubt either Sony or Microsoft will bite.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Well, we know the documents are from February 2012.

Since large structural changes are unlikely, I imagine the clock rates are the main thing that could have changed.

I thought parts of components could have been disabled for yields?

 

[rudieboy77]

If the specifications currently being rumored about the new Xbox are from a year ago, why is it so hard to imagine they may have changed in 12 months time? Everyone here understands that the third party is going to spec down their game to the weakest console, so why wouldn't everyone want both consoles to be even so the ports are not watered down?

 

[Pharaoh 117]

I want both to not be shit... even orbis isn't looking mindblowing right now.

Does it compute? It's not about orbis being better, it's about durango having to be powerful regardless of if orbis is a nasa supercomputer or a glorified Iphone.

Yeah, that's the point. Both got be as good as they can be (and I agree that even Orbis is not looking super hot).

But sometimes it seems that the fanboys want their console to be the king just so they can brag on the internet even if it means multiplats would suffer.

If the specifications currently being rumored about the new Xbox are from a year ago, why is it so hard to imagine they may have changed in 12 months time? Everyone here understands that the third party is going to spec down their game to the weakest console, so why wouldn't everyone want both consoles to be even so the ports are not watered down?

Beats me.

 

[Nirolak]

I thought parts of components could have been disabled for yields?

That's effectively just changing clock speeds since you're not changing the fundamental architecture of the system, just removing processing power.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Still wish someone would Kazify my Chief avatar

You know what to do, dem Kaz eyes in the visor. Talk about blasphemous.

Too bad we can't have animated Avis anymore

 

[K.Sabot]

SDF is back?

GAF shaking in its boots.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

If anyone posts this on GAF seriously, as part of a console war argument, I think I'll start with a perm instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt. This is embarrassing.

but can we post it for funs?

 

[Timedog]

This seems as good a thread as any to ask: where did all these "secret sauce" comments come from? What does that mean and what are they referencing?

 

[Self_Destructive]

Too bad we can't have animated Avis anymore

 

[Jake Tower]

This seems as good a thread as any to ask: where did all these "secret sauce" comments come from? What does that mean and what are they referencing?

Sony's Secret Sauce

 

[Pristine_Condition]

lol why is there so much damage control for the Durango. I swear every week there is a new thing that comes up to defend the honour of the unreleased console. Whether it be secret sauce or outdated devkits and so on. Everyone just needs to relax. All will become clear soon. All will have their moment in the spotlight. All will have their own threads with funny and extremely disturbing gifs. All will have pros in some ways and all will come up with some cons. This isn't directed to anyone really in particular but there just seems to be all these lines being drawn by various entities whether they be insiders or on twitter or websites where if one for some reason doesn't like or agree what the other has said, they'll contradict it with nothing but more vague statements that may or may not be true, or may not be as significant as the implication they carry.

Breathe internet. Breathe. It's a long goddamn year.

/personal observation and rant

Personally, when I saw the Durango specs, which made perfect sense when coupled with the ideas going around that Microsoft was going to use the next XBox to cement themselves into competing for the set-top box battle, (even working out deals with TV providers to subsidize the box) it made prefect sense to me as a business strategy. After all, with that strategy, MS would not only get XBox in millions of homes that might not otherwise have one, they could actually get multiple XBoxes in these homes. This unique approach would not only have the potential to expand the market for a game console in a bigger way than we've ever ever seen in any generation, it would make the cost and pain of substantial entry into this area by their chief rivals Google and Apple much more difficult.

To exist in that world, (the world of the set-top box that a cable TV or satellite provider would pay a subsidy to offer to their customers at a dirt-cheap price or even free,) you don't need as much power as the latest wiz-bang gaming system. You just need to be in the ballpark of what'll work gaming-wise for the next few years. To be successful as a set-top box, you need cool-running, ultra-reliable, ultra-affordable hardware. After all, cable companies and sat providers don't like service calls, replacing hardware, or customer downtime. Nor would paying more of a subsidy for gaming functions (which they don't bank on) be as attractive as paying for functionality that would help them.

If it's to be believed that MS is now upping their specs, I think this would endanger that business strategy. As the specs stood, it seemed like it would be fine power-wise, but still be cool-running, ultra-reliable, and ultra-affordable. Was that strategy ideal for us gamers? No, we always want more, even if it's just super-subtle differences. But is that strategy good business? I thought so.

Alas, and most important for me, in the end, I knew I'd end up with both systems, so I was hoping I could get the XBox on the cheap.

 

[Reiko]

Too bad we can't have animated Avis anymore

You are the man. Epic.

 

[SapientWolf]

Personally, when I saw the Durango specs, which made perfect sense when coupled with the ideas going around that Microsoft was going to use the next XBox to cement themselves into competing for the set-top box battle, (even working out deals with TV providers to subsidize the box) it made prefect sense to me as a business strategy. After all, with that strategy, MS would not only get XBox in millions of homes that might not otherwise have one, they could actually get multiple XBoxes in these homes. This unique approach would not only have the potential to expand the market for a game console in a bigger way than we've ever ever seen in any generation, it would make the cost and pain of substantial entry into this area by their chief rivals Google and Apple much more difficult.

To exist in that world, (the world of the set-top box that a cable TV or satellite provider would pay a subsidy to offer to their customers at a dirt-cheap price or even free,) you don't need as much power as the latest wiz-bang gaming system. You just need to be in the ballpark of what'll work gaming-wise for the next few years. To be successful as a set-top box, you need cool-running, ultra-reliable, ultra-affordable hardware.

If it's to be believed that MS is now upping their specs, I think this would endanger that business strategy. As the specs stood, it seemed like it would be fine power-wise, but still be cool-running, ultra-reliable, and ultra-affordable. Was that strategy ideal for us gamers? No, we always want more, even if it's just super-subtle differences. But is that strategy good business? I thought so.

Alas, and most important for me, in the end, I knew I'd end up with both systems, so I was hoping I could get the XBox on the cheap.

Abandoning their core to chase the mainstream is a risky gamble. I think they're too conservative to do it, so they'll do whatever it takes to achieve port parity with Sony's machine even if it runs hot enough to double as a Foreman grill.

 

[XtremeXpider]

If the specifications currently being rumored about the new Xbox are from a year ago, why is it so hard to imagine they may have changed in 12 months time? Everyone here understands that the third party is going to spec down their game to the weakest console, so why wouldn't everyone want both consoles to be even so the ports are not watered down?

Only Sony is allowed.

 

[Spongebob]

SuperDAE is 100% legit for those that care to know.

Sony's Secret Sauce

Dat wizard jizz.

 

[Ultimadrago]

Most disturbing thing I have seen today.

Because I have to quote it.

 

[140.85]

I'll be shocked if MS doesn't try to one-up Sony. So as much as this guy seems like an attention-seeking troll, I'm inclined to believe him.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Abandoning their core to chase the mainstream is a risky gamble. I think they're too conservative to do it, so they'll do whatever it takes to achieve port parity with Sony's machine even if it runs hot enough to double as a Foreman grill.

Have you talked to a typical Microsoft investor lately? I have. They don't see Sony as any threat at all. Google and Apple are the threats to Microsoft, and games are just one form of apps/services. You might not like to hear it (don't kill the messenger) but the investors want Microsoft to slow the rise of Android and iOS, which requires a much broader strategy than chasing fickle core gamers around.

 

[iamvin22]

Have you talked to a typical Microsoft investor lately? I have. They don't see Sony as any threat at all. Google and Apple are the threats to Microsoft, and games are just one form of apps/services. You might not like to hear it (don't kill the messenger) but the investors want Microsoft to slow the rise of Android and iOS, which requires a much broader strategy than chasing fickle core gamers around.

spot fucking on. bravo!

 

[Kinyou]

Just imagine what would happen if both consoles were perfectly equal

 

[SneakyStephan]

Personally, when I saw the Durango specs, which made perfect sense when coupled with the ideas going around that Microsoft was going to use the next XBox to cement themselves into competing for the set-top box battle, (even working out deals with TV providers to subsidize the box) it made prefect sense to me as a business strategy. After all, with that strategy, MS would not only get XBox in millions of homes that might not otherwise have one, they could actually get multiple XBoxes in these homes. This unique approach would not only have the potential to expand the market for a game console in a bigger way than we've ever ever seen in any generation, it would make the cost and pain of substantial entry into this area by their chief rivals Google and Apple much more difficult.

To exist in that world, (the world of the set-top box that a cable TV or satellite provider would pay a subsidy to offer to their customers at a dirt-cheap price or even free,) you don't need as much power as the latest wiz-bang gaming system. You just need to be in the ballpark of what'll work gaming-wise for the next few years. To be successful as a set-top box, you need cool-running, ultra-reliable, ultra-affordable hardware. After all, cable companies and sat providers don't like service calls, replacing hardware, or customer downtime. Nor would paying more of a subsidy for gaming functions (which they don't bank on) be as attractive as paying for functionality that would help them.

If it's to be believed that MS is now upping their specs, I think this would endanger that business strategy. As the specs stood, it seemed like it would be fine power-wise, but still be cool-running, ultra-reliable, and ultra-affordable. Was that strategy ideal for us gamers? No, we always want more, even if it's just super-subtle differences. But is that strategy good business? I thought so.

Alas, and most important for me, in the end, I knew I'd end up with both systems, so I was hoping I could get the XBox on the cheap.

... frame of reference: the gpu equivalent of the orbis gpu in laptops uses only 65W of peak power, the cpu is a netbook cpu AND it's underclocked. (and probably undervolted)

You can get passively cooled gpus (granted with a big heatsink, but passive is passive) for PC with twice the power draw of that orbis equivalent GPU.
I have a cpu that consumes twice as much power as that jaguar one will and is overclocked and I run my cpu fan at 500 rpm under full load (inaudible).

If durango were upgraded to the same power levels it would still require negligable cooling and it would still be dead quiet (assuming they don't put a coin sized heatsink and 40 mm fan on there but something within reason, and no you stinky trolls that doesn't mean a dual slot PC GPU heatsink).

Don't care for the rest of your post, I just wanted to point that out.

edit: did someone just call core gamers fickle? What the fuck am I reading?
Games industry grows steadily over the last 25 years with the core gamer as audience (after the devoid of any quality shovelware crash in the 80s that , hold on to your butt! alienated the gamer), core gamers are fickle yo.
It's the casuals who are fickle and will abandon any industry on a whim, that is why they are casuals, they aren't invested they aren't enthusiasts they are only interested for a while.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Have you talked to a typical Microsoft investor lately? I have. They don't see Sony as any threat at all. Google and Apple are the threats to Microsoft, and games are just one form of apps/services. You might not like to hear it (don't kill the messenger) but the investors want Microsoft to slow the rise of Android and iOS, which requires a much broader strategy than chasing fickle core gamers around.

This isn't completely strange my brother works at Home Depot and has said that the company says their main competitor is considered Wal-Mart not Lowe's simply because Home Depot is a much larger company.

 

[Jake Tower]

Have you talked to a typical Microsoft investor lately? I have. They don't see Sony as any threat at all. Google and Apple are the threats to Microsoft, and games are just one form of apps/services. You might not like to hear it (don't kill the messenger) but the investors want Microsoft to slow the rise of Android and iOS, which requires a much broader strategy than chasing fickle core gamers around.

Cool. I'm a gamer. So I'll buy the products of the company that makes stuff for me.

 

[Takuya]

Have you talked to a typical Microsoft investor lately? I have. They don't see Sony as any threat at all. Google and Apple are the threats to Microsoft, and games are just one form of apps/services. You might not like to hear it (don't kill the messenger) but the investors want Microsoft to slow the rise of Android and iOS, which requires a much broader strategy than chasing fickle core gamers around.

With Windows Phone and Windows RT? hahah!

 

[Reiko]

Have you talked to a typical Microsoft investor lately? I have. They don't see Sony as any threat at all. Google and Apple are the threats to Microsoft, and games are just one form of apps/services. You might not like to hear it (don't kill the messenger) but the investors want Microsoft to slow the rise of Android and iOS, which requires a much broader strategy than chasing fickle core gamers around.

This is also on the money...:/

 

[Shrennin]

http://kotaku.com/5977849/the-plays...ncy-user-accounts-and-impressive-specs-so-far

I didn't see the user accounts stuff so far (of course, I haven't read up on much dealing with Durango and Orbis mainly because it's rumors and I'll just wait for the official reveal) but from what I see about the user accounts, it seems like the 360 is able to achieve that now. Unless I'm mistaking something, although it is nice to be able to play with your friend and both have your accounts on the same console.

 

[Can Crusher]

Have you talked to a typical Microsoft investor lately? I have. They don't see Sony as any threat at all. Google and Apple are the threats to Microsoft, and games are just one form of apps/services. You might not like to hear it (don't kill the messenger) but the investors want Microsoft to slow the rise of Android and iOS, which requires a much broader strategy than chasing fickle core gamers around.

MS is gonna release multiple Xbox hardware this year. This is almost past the point of rumor, since we have a bunch of sites reporting on this recently, and we got that tech podcast where the guy with MS info confirms that it will be so.

2 different Xbox's, mean 2 different markets. This should be worth examining, because it makes perfect sense that one of these devices will mainly exist because of Google and Apple, and the other won't.

 

[Baconsammy]

The guy that sold a development unit on Ebay is suddenly being coy with info? If it runs around flapping its arms like an attention whore, it's probably an attention whore.

 

[EightBitNate]

Just imagine what would happen if both consoles were perfectly equal

What about Wii U?

 

[Ramblin]

Just imagine what would happen if both consoles were perfectly equal

Just imagine if it was a joint venture and it was the same console...

 

[Gorillaz]

Like what has been stated before. MS doesn't see Sony as a threat. In a way they conquered that beast this gen. So it only make sense to go after Apple.

 

[dragonflys545]

You haven't been in the PlayStation meeting thread today, have you?

That's where he got it lol.

 

[J-Rzez]

Seems as though we are in the "Cold War" times, with this one inevitably escalating to full blown by E3. Not just forums wise, but between MS and Sony.

 

[ThisWreckage]

Price and games will matter most. Online as well. These consoles will be so similar they may as well be considered conjoined twins.

 

[Baconsammy]

Like what has been stated before. MS doesn't see Sony as a threat. In a way they conquered that beast this gen. So it only make sense to go after Apple.

A perceived Apple threat. Certainly not an Apple that currently exists. Apple TV is neat little box, but it isn't blowing anyone away. If Microsoft signed a deal with a major cable or satellite company to provide their boxes in the form of an Xbox, that would be huge. I don't know if that's the scope of their desire or not.

 

[Quazar]

So this is a guy who tried to sell a devkit? What reason would this guy have to be secretive with the winking and nudging about his info?

Who knows? All these sources are highly questionable until they're revealed Mr. Norris.

 

[Spongebob]

The guy that sold a development unit on Ebay is suddenly being coy with info? If it runs around flapping its arms like an attention whore, it's probably an attention whore.

Watch Kotaku closely.

 

[Medalion]

What about Wii U?

The Wii-U is the rainbow

 

[Baconsammy]

Watch Kotaku closely.

Is this your cryptic way of saying he's Kotaku's source?

 

[Akkad]

The guy that sold a development unit on Ebay is suddenly being coy with info? If it runs around flapping its arms like an attention whore, it's probably an attention whore.

Exactly.

 

[Pistolero]

Watch Kotaku closely.

Weren't they supposed to produce some updated Durango specifications?

 

[Xenon]

Just imagine what would happen if both consoles were perfectly equal

Funny that picture does not show show hundreds of Don Coyotes counting pixels hoping to save people from buying the lesser console.