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Shin'en: Wii U is the most powerful console, modern tech, lots of potential

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wsippel

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So, that Eurogamer Expo thing is obviously bullshit, but Manfred Linzner, CEO and lead programmer at Munich development studio Shin'en (Nano Assault), gave some more trustworthy if vague statement in an interview a few days ago:

Momentan ist die Wii U die stärkste Konsole mit viel Potential für die Zukunft. Man darf nicht vergessen, dass die Wii U-GPU einer ganz anderen Generation entstammt als ihre aktuellen Konkurrenten. Dadurch sind komplett neue Herangehensweisen möglich, die einerseits viel einfacher zu implementieren sind als die Spezial-Hybrid-Lösungen, die man auf anderen Konsolen zurzeit braucht, und die auch letztendlich viel mehr Performance bringen. Im Zusammenspiel mit dem mehr als großzügigen Arbeitsspeicher hat man unglaublich viele Möglichkeiten. Man darf auch nicht vergessen, dass es Entwickler braucht, die das Potential einer Konsole überhaupt ausreizen können. Und da hat Nintendo mit seinen eigenen Teams wie Retro Studios und EAD sicherlich einen unschlagbaren Vorteil.
http://www.ntower.de/index.php?page=report&reportID=187

Rough translation:

Right now, Wii U is the most powerful console, and it has a lot of potential going forward. One also shouldn't forget that the Wii U GPU is from a completely different generation than the ones in other systems. What that means is that it enables completely new approaches that are much easier to implement than the hacks that would be required to get similar results on current systems, which would also end up requiring a lot more processing power. That in combination with the generous amounts of RAM, gives developers a whole lot of options. But it's also important to realize that it will take capable developers to actually max out the system. And in that regard, Nintendo certainly has the upper hand with 1st party teams like Retro or EAD.
 

Neo Child

Banned
WHY ARE THERE STILL THREADS LIKE THIS

i mean, do we not all get it? and since when did people give so much of a fuck. even the wii's release didnt have this much of a graphical debate on this forum...

plus people are buying wii u for nintendo games anyway so....
 
Can't wait to see more of dat German engineering on this console. Nano Assault already looks great, I'm sure they can outclass themselves once again though...
 

Sethos

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WHY ARE THERE STILL THREADS LIKE THIS

i mean, do we not all get it? and since when did people give so much of a fuck. even the wii's release didnt have this much of a graphical debate on this forum...

plus people are buying wii u for nintendo games anyway so....

Chill man. If people want to post in threads or not they can, if they don't they don't.
If no one posts it disappears off the page - system works fine. No need to get upset over it.
 

Neo Child

Banned
Chill man. If people want to post in threads or not they can, if they don't they don't.
If no one posts it disappears off the page - system works fine. No need to get upset over it.

kk i know but like, all devs are basically saying the same thing. that its at least as powerful as the other consoles, it just doenst mean anything unless actual games are shown.

and i guess this thread is just gunna spark more wii u graphical capabilites debate even though thats why theres a general wii u thread.

hmmm
 
WHY ARE THERE STILL THREADS LIKE THIS

i mean, do we not all get it? and since when did people give so much of a fuck. even the wii's release didnt have this much of a graphical debate on this forum...

plus people are buying wii u for nintendo games anyway so....

There wasn't much to debate.
 
WHY ARE THERE STILL THREADS LIKE THIS

i mean, do we not all get it? and since when did people give so much of a fuck. even the wii's release didnt have this much of a graphical debate on this forum...

plus people are buying wii u for nintendo games anyway so....

Same reason why Nextbox/PS4 threads exists.
 
In all these dev comments everyone goes straight to discussing how good the gpu is but always leaves the CPU out. I guess it really is 3 broadway cores
 

nickcv

Member
Chill man. If people want to post in threads or not they can, if they don't they don't.
If no one posts it disappears off the page - system works fine. No need to get upset over it.

while i do agree that if someone finds a thread interesting he is allowed to do whatever he wants to, i don't really think this was thread worthy.

it's pretty much a no-news, all the dev is saying is obvious.
 

wsippel

Banned
Well, the important bits are that the tech is more advanced and superior, so it's not "2006"/ "basically last-gen" tech as some people love to claim, and the often overlooked fact that it's not just about raw computational performance. You can do things on Wii U that would be prohibitive or outright impossible on PS3 and 360 not due to the system being more powerful, but simply because it's much more modern - but you most likely won't see that at launch because it requires different approaches. The "X times/ Y percent faster" stuff doesn't really work.
 

magash

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Well, the important bits are that the tech is more advanced and superior, so it's not "2006"/ "basically last-gen" tech as some people love to claim, and the often overlooked fact that it's not just about raw computational performance. You can do things on Wii U that would be prohibitive or outright impossible on PS3 and 360 not due to the system being more powerful, but simply because it's much more modern - but you most likely won't see that at launch. The "X times/ Y percent faster" stuff doesn't really work.

I thought that that was obvious...well obvious for anyone that has been following Wii U.
 

Daschysta

Member
The same people who are going to lap this news up would be bashing the guy now of he said otherwise.

Not really, then again, this isn't really news at all. The Wii-U is obviously more powerful than then other 2 consoles, and it obviously uses much, much newer tech. Noone of any repute has claimed the system as a whole isn't more powerful than current gen, so there really isn't any controversy in that regard. The controversy comes from people not privy to any inside info claiming that the Wii-U isn't more powerful based on ports or games not meant to be graphical showcases from the launch window.

We know two things for certain.

The Wii-U is more powerful than current gen. The Wii-U is not as great of a leap in terms of raw power as the traditional generational gap over the previous generation.

Thus, as there isn't a great resolution bump, a new dimension, or massively superior capability it stands to reason that a port, or a game that doesn't push the system wouldn't look heads and shoulders superior to the 2 last gen HD consoles, especially since they've had years to mature. That does not mean, however, that software meant to push the hardware won't look noticeably superior to the offerings on the X-Box 360 and the Playstation 3. It isn't so much more powerful that a port is going to look way better at first glance just by virtue of being on the newer hardware, but I'm quite certain that once Nintendo's own flagship games, as well as 3rd party exclusives not rushed for launch or started on older hardware start to roll out, the Wii-U games will be on a whole, noticeably visually superior. What is weird, is that that is somehow a controversial belief, it should be obvious that more modern and capable hardware would outperform the older, less capable machines. Seems like commons sense.
 

hiryu64

Member
I'm just gonna quote this a few times for emphasis.

Well, the important bits are that the tech is more advanced and superior, so it's not "2006"/ "basically last-gen" tech as some people love to claim, and the often overlooked fact that it's not just about raw computational performance. You can do things on Wii U that would be prohibitive or outright impossible on PS3 and 360 not due to the system being more powerful, but simply because it's much more modern - but you most likely won't see that at launch because it requires different approaches. The "X times/ Y percent faster" stuff doesn't really work.
Well, the important bits are that the tech is more advanced and superior, so it's not "2006"/ "basically last-gen" tech as some people love to claim, and the often overlooked fact that it's not just about raw computational performance. You can do things on Wii U that would be prohibitive or outright impossible on PS3 and 360 not due to the system being more powerful, but simply because it's much more modern - but you most likely won't see that at launch because it requires different approaches. The "X times/ Y percent faster" stuff doesn't really work.
Well, the important bits are that the tech is more advanced and superior, so it's not "2006"/ "basically last-gen" tech as some people love to claim, and the often overlooked fact that it's not just about raw computational performance. You can do things on Wii U that would be prohibitive or outright impossible on PS3 and 360 not due to the system being more powerful, but simply because it's much more modern - but you most likely won't see that at launch because it requires different approaches. The "X times/ Y percent faster" stuff doesn't really work.
Well, the important bits are that the tech is more advanced and superior, so it's not "2006"/ "basically last-gen" tech as some people love to claim, and the often overlooked fact that it's not just about raw computational performance. You can do things on Wii U that would be prohibitive or outright impossible on PS3 and 360 not due to the system being more powerful, but simply because it's much more modern - but you most likely won't see that at launch because it requires different approaches. The "X times/ Y percent faster" stuff doesn't really work.
Well, the important bits are that the tech is more advanced and superior, so it's not "2006"/ "basically last-gen" tech as some people love to claim, and the often overlooked fact that it's not just about raw computational performance. You can do things on Wii U that would be prohibitive or outright impossible on PS3 and 360 not due to the system being more powerful, but simply because it's much more modern - but you most likely won't see that at launch because it requires different approaches. The "X times/ Y percent faster" stuff doesn't really work.
Well, the important bits are that the tech is more advanced and superior, so it's not "2006"/ "basically last-gen" tech as some people love to claim, and the often overlooked fact that it's not just about raw computational performance. You can do things on Wii U that would be prohibitive or outright impossible on PS3 and 360 not due to the system being more powerful, but simply because it's much more modern - but you most likely won't see that at launch because it requires different approaches. The "X times/ Y percent faster" stuff doesn't really work.
Nobody will learn from this. People will continue to judge the system by early ports.
 
I'm just gonna quote this a few times for emphasis.







Nobody will learn from this. People will continue to judge the system by early ports.

So basically what you are saying is that this is a little bit better than PS3/360 because it's architected in a modern way?

Nice. Still doesn't mean anything.


Thus, as there isn't a great resolution bump, a new dimension, or massively superior capability it stands to reason that a port, or a game that doesn't push the system wouldn't look heads and shoulders superior to the 2 last gen HD consoles, especially since they've had years to mature. That does not mean, however, that software meant to push the hardware won't look noticeably superior to the offerings on the X-Box 360 and the Playstation 3. It isn't so much more powerful that a port is going to look way better at first glance just by virtue of being on the newer hardware, but I'm quite certain that once Nintendo's own flagship games, as well as 3rd party exclusives not rushed for launch or started on older hardware start to roll out, the Wii-U games will be on a whole, noticeably visually superior. What is weird, is that that is somehow a controversial belief, it should be obvious that more modern and capable hardware would outperform the older, less capable machines. Seems like commons sense.

Great summation of my opinion at least, and pretty much why I'm not buying a wii u at launch. Give it a solid year, and Nintendo might have some graphically salivating games on their system.

I just hope that some third-parties are actually on board.
 
Well, the important bits are that the tech is more advanced and superior, so it's not "2006"/ "basically last-gen" tech as some people love to claim, and the often overlooked fact that it's not just about raw computational performance. You can do things on Wii U that would be prohibitive or outright impossible on PS3 and 360 not due to the system being more powerful, but simply because it's much more modern - but you most likely won't see that at launch because it requires different approaches. The "X times/ Y percent faster" stuff doesn't really work.

People on GAF will never believe this.

Looks like cuurent gen graphics on launch day, so the console = PS360 and is absolutely uncapable of doing more. This is what is in most peoples heads.

EDIT: More than enough proof of that is already posted in this thread!
 
People on GAF will never believe this.

Looks like cuurent gen graphics on launch day, so the console = PS360 and is absolutely uncapable of doing more. This is what is in most peoples heads.

Its pretty outrages really. Everyone around here has really selective memory. Those PS360 launch titles wereny really blowing anyone away.
 

GDGF

Soothsayer
I'm going to sit back and wonder why such a common sense statement is causing so much controversy and vitirol on this board.
 
People on GAF will never believe this.

Looks like cuurent gen graphics on launch day, so the console = PS360 and is absolutely uncapable of doing more. This is what is in most peoples heads.

EDIT: More than enough proof of that is already posted in this thread!

And other people on the other hand seem to think it'll compete with the PS4/720...


Launch games on PS3 and 360 were VASTLY better then it's last gen counterparts. You can't say the same about the Wii U. That's the big problem. Ofcourse it's better then the PS3/360, very few people say otherwise. But that isn't the problem.
 

Medalion

Banned
People on GAF will never believe this.

Looks like cuurent gen graphics on launch day, so the console = PS360 and is absolutely uncapable of doing more. This is what is in most peoples heads.

EDIT: More than enough proof of that is already posted in this thread!
I think you give some people way too much credit... there are people who think the Wii-U isn't even half as good as PS3/360
 

antitrop

Member
It takes a hell of a spin doctor to try to make "This product being released right now is more powerful than the thing released seven years ago" when the "new thing" isn't far away sound like a good thing or a selling point.
 
People on GAF will never believe this.

Looks like cuurent gen graphics on launch day, so the console = PS360 and is absolutely uncapable of doing more. This is what is in most peoples heads.

EDIT: More than enough proof of that is already posted in this thread!

I think the issue is more whether 3rd parties will allocate the resources to creating graphically appealing games on the Wii-U. if Nintendo makes it more difficult than Sony/MS to put games out on their online store, or more difficult to implement online multiplayer, etc: companies might be discouraged to put massive amounts of money into developing flagship titles for the WiiU. Instead, it might get the early-PS3 treatment where titles were often less graphically appealing than 360 equivalents.
 

wsippel

Banned
And other people on the other hand seem to think it'll compete with the PS4/720...


Launch games on PS3 and 360 were VASTLY better then it's last gen counterparts. You can't say the same about the Wii U. That's the big problem. Ofcourse it's better then the PS3/360, very few people say otherwise. But that isn't the problem.
Most 360 launch games looked like ass. Some even performed worse than their Xbox 1 counterparts. Unlike MS, Nintendo doesn't have any games even meant to be showcases at launch. And unlike Sony, Nintendo doesn't lie to their customers by selling offline rendered CG videos as "ingame footage".
 
I think the issue is more whether 3rd parties will allocate the resources to creating graphically appealing games on the Wii-U. if Nintendo makes it more difficult than Sony/MS to put games out on their online store, or more difficult to implement online multiplayer, etc: companies might be discouraged to put massive amounts of money into developing flagship titles for the WiiU. Instead, it might get the early-PS3 treatment where titles were often less graphically appealing than 360 equivalents.

Everything we heard from online than Nintendo is doing a good job so far.

The Wii U eShop especially gets alot of praise from indy devs already for being easier to get on than PS360 and similar royalities than iOS/Android (aka way more than on XBLA/PSN).

3rd Party situation for Nintendo wont change over night, but if they do the online right, Wii U has nothing that could be used as an "excuse" not to develop for the System. The power gap between Wii U -> PS4/720 just won´t be as big as Wii vs PS360.

Xbox360 has 5,8x amount of ram of the Wii, 20x the raw gpu horsepower in flops... and Wiis architecture was generations behind...
 
Looks like cuurent gen graphics on launch day, so the console = PS360 and is absolutely uncapable of doing more. This is what is in most peoples heads.

I don't think anyone thinks the Wii U's best days are already behind it, rather that it won't particularly matter what Wii U games look like in a year or two, after Sony and Microsoft release their new consoles.
 

Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
we already know all of this...

can't wait for those guys to make the first real WiiU game. It will sure look incredible
 

AzaK

Member
we already know all of this...

can't wait for those guys to make the first real WiiU game. It will sure look incredible

Ya, or maybe Nintendo will use Bayonetta 2 as a showcase and work with Platinum to get it fully pushing the system.
 
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