perfectsil
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Bungie Explains Why Destiny Is Not 60fps On The PS4 And Xbox One
- Thread starter Lima
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A much more reasonable explanation than what Ready At Dawn said about The Order, but that's a topic for another thread. It's the first time for Bungie to work on multiple platforms like they do with Destiny, so I can understand where they are coming from. Pressure on their shoulders is already big enough and making it a high priority to make the game run on all platforms "equally good" is something I understand.
Do I prefer 60 FPS? Absolutely. Does it change my opinion about the game? Not really since I spent time with it and it works good enough for me to consider buying it at launch day. I played all the Halos on the Xbox 360 and I had my fun with them despite the framerate and other technical issues.
Do I prefer 60 FPS? Absolutely. Does it change my opinion about the game? Not really since I spent time with it and it works good enough for me to consider buying it at launch day. I played all the Halos on the Xbox 360 and I had my fun with them despite the framerate and other technical issues.
So, cross-gen is the problem.
I don't understand how a game with a 10 year plan is focusing resources on 8 year old machines that have 2 years at best left.
They should've gone full force on the current-gen systems. AAA companies had very little foresight when it came to 360/PS3 sales since games like Watch_Dogs are showing that current-gen is where the bulk of sales are occurring.
I don't understand how a game with a 10 year plan is focusing resources on 8 year old machines that have 2 years at best left.
They should've gone full force on the current-gen systems. AAA companies had very little foresight when it came to 360/PS3 sales since games like Watch_Dogs are showing that current-gen is where the bulk of sales are occurring.
randomengine
Banned
Why is this bad? They sell one either way. XB1 player either buys it there, or decides to buy a PS4 and buys it there. Why not just make the best possible game on all systems? If there is crossplay, fine, but without crossplay I don't understand why they would pull their punches.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
No thanks. I don't think I can do the indie-only life, or Nintendo-only life where "next" gen and even current gen tech just doesn't exist. Boycott games that are scaled down? Sure.
Uh, no. A higher framerate also makes every single frame look better. Come by my place and I can show you 30, 60, 120fps with both standard backlighting and strobing to show you what framerates do to modern displays. And then even aside from the hard benefits in the display itself, the increased motion data itself actually helps your eyes/brain track details better to soak in what is in each frame. Framerate has a huge impact on the visual appeal of a game.
A game is not transmitted to your brain directly from the GPU.
KnockOneOff
Banned
Would you risk the potential to miss out millions of sales?
Nope you wouldn't!
It isn't going to be 2015 - 2016 untill we start seeing last gen left behind
Hockeymac18
Member
Well, yes, you're right about the fps part. I would prefer 60fps games (and enjoyed many arcade classics on the DC (and Saturn) at that fps). But I also think 30 fps isn't the end of the world.
My point is generally about 1080p/60fps being the definitive thing that makes something next gen, and when a game isn't people explode and/or don't consider it in any way (as if they're only judging the game on those merits). There are other factors that aren't as easy to compare with numbers (like overall visual improvements), but still make something "next gen".
But if we're talking just about framerate, I would prefer lower resolution with higher framerate. It would be nice if Destiny went that direction. But I think they wouldn't want to deal with the backlash of not being at 1080p.
Rising_Hei
Member
Nothing else needs to be said i guess.
Seriously, some games just shouldn't be released on PS360 anymore, it hurts more than it helps, imo
Zombie James
Banned
Cross-gen ruins another one.
Destiny is not one game with 10 year plan. Bungie and Activision intends to make four Destiny games for 10 years.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
The game is awesome. The alpha looked great and ran smoothly.
You know, I don't get why not try to make the best of each platform and I don't get people whining when a version on an obviously better machine is better than the version on theirs (is this really a big problem if they don't do parity?).
I mean if I were still stuck on PS3 I wouldn't expect the PS4 version to be the same just so I could feel better that some other version wasn't far superior. I'd realize it's cause my machine isn't as good and if i want the better version I have to get the machine that can play the better version (and if I can't afford it, well, at least I still can play it even if it isn't top of the line).
I mean if I were still stuck on PS3 I wouldn't expect the PS4 version to be the same just so I could feel better that some other version wasn't far superior. I'd realize it's cause my machine isn't as good and if i want the better version I have to get the machine that can play the better version (and if I can't afford it, well, at least I still can play it even if it isn't top of the line).
Was that the objective of Rockstar and because they only reached 59FPS they decided to increase the active AI actors and tons of extra alpha blended textures and shit?
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
I'm not annoyed by companies ensuring a game is playable across all platforms. I'm annoyed that games on more powerful systems are actually being held back for the sake of parity.
Don't punish those with the stronger systems just so everyone can experience the same thing. Build the game to be the best it can be for each system it is on.
nonsense. They were clearly talking about cross gen. The game was most likely being made for last gen before the next gen consoles. Infact I am pretty sure a 2012 leak regarding the game said it was being made for the 360 first
randomengine
Banned
Actually, I found the graphic fidelity on PS4 to be lacking. Definitely caused by use of crossgen assets.
I still remember the first Halo. That was a beast, a fucking beast I tell you! Nothing looked as good as that game!
NullPointer
Member
Yeah, I have a hard time believing that too, especially with the lighting they showed off in the initial reveal. Am looking forward to seeing that in-game at some point.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Man it's nature. Some people deal better with 30fps induced motion sickness than others, but the fact is that we ALL enjoy the benefits of moving images at 60fps, simply because it's closer to what we experience daily.
Hell, if Activision gets wind of a campaign for 60fps Destiny they would probably make it happen with a little bit of Sony's pocket. They did associate themselves with the gold standard by being the publishers of CoD after all.
Yup it's true, there's a reason the PS3 fan goes insane when playing games like TLoU or GTA5 which really push the system to its limits.
PedroLumpy
Member
Alpha looked really pretty. Would've loved to see what it would have looked like not being crossgen, but not much to be done about it now.
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
Lowest common denominator.
Ugh.
When the financial stakes are so high, you can't afford to let any customers on the secondary platform(s) feel short changed because it will negatively impact sales.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Way to find a good scapegoat, Bungie.
bananafactory
Banned
The full screen image really made me feel less immersed.
Necromanti
Member
Can people play with each other irrespective of what platform they are on? I guess it kind of makes sense to want parity to allow for cross-platform play, then.
â Narayan
Member
Forsaken82
Member
Ok, you tell me... since its clearly just MY opinion. What about 60 FPS would make a game look "absolutely stunning" in comparison to 30 FPS?
What aspect of the visuals are improved because of the frame rate that make it look "absolutely stunning" as was stated before?
Does Battlefield 3 not look "absolutely stunning" at 30 FPS when compared to BF4 at 60? What is so much better visually? Please tell me.
FairXchange
Member
Disappointed it's not 60fps on PS4, but the Alpha looked beautiful and also the framerate was solid. So, it's not a total bummer.
It basically changes everything from a visual standpoint. The fluidity of motion, the apparent motion of objects is vastly improved, the feedback and responsiveness of the controls, the 'immersion' created by the smooth presentation. These are all major benefits of games with a solid 60fps.
And here from a scientific standpoint:
It basically changes everything from a visual standpoint. The fluidity of motion, the apparent motion of objects is vastly improved, the feedback and responsiveness of the controls, the 'immersion' created by the smooth presentation. These are all major benefits of games with a solid 60fps.
And here from a scientific standpoint:
http://www.es.com/Products/60Frames.html
Nobody can play with anybody.
rokkerkory
Member
PS4 version will still look best guys, it's not 100% parity.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Isn't that pretty much what the Bungie rep is saying? If you have a PS4, your version will be scaled down to accommodate less powerful hardware for the sake of "experience parity."
randomengine
Banned
In other news, Nintendo first-party Wii U games regularly hit 1080/60fps. Why? No compromises. That's just what you get with multiplatform games. Nature of the beast.
I am.
I have no reason to get a PS4 or Xbone, so I'm glad Destiny is coming to the PS3. I don't want to miss out on what's looking to be a fantastic game.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
THANK YOU. Bungie should be glad they're getting budgeted to put their game out for home appliances if they could.
It's all corporate politics.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
That Lighting is still in the game 100%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7UqoXP2BF8
We just don't get the stroy beats so it can't be replicated 100% yet. Only difference is you get Ghosts larger flashlight enabled. But you can see the same exact effects when other Guardians use their flashlight in that area.
So it doesn't? Bringing up the performance of an unreleased Rockstar title isn't gonna prove anything since their games have notoriously bad performance on consoles and PC.
maneil99
Member
Is this a joke? Wii U games don't regularly hit 60 fps at 1080p nor do anything on a technical level close to Destiny.
I thought the plan was to release additional content over the base game.
My bad then. Hopefully they re-done tons of stuff when the series goes current-gen only then.
nhlducks35
Member
The only first party game that's 1080P/60 on the Wii U is Super Smash Bros.
NSMBU is 720/60
DKCTF is 720/60
MK8 is 720/60
Pikmin 3 is 720/30
SM3DW is 720/60
Wind Waker HD is 1080/30
Because for some reason it's impossible to have online and offline co-op, it's always one or the other.
<sarcasm>Right, because of the non-existent number of examples of cross platform current gen games that run worse on XB1 makes the idea that XB1 could be the issue absolutely impossible. </sarcasm>
bananafactory
Banned
I don't understand your argument. A framerate IS a visual trait (though it definitely affects gameplay as well). You're talking about it like if you can't see it in a screenshot, then it's not a visual improvement. A smoother/higher framerate makes the game APPEAR smoother in motion, which is something you observe with your eyes.
IAmRandom31
Banned
My frustration stems from the fact that, most likely Destiny COULD run and look better on the PS4, but it just isn't going to, cause of parity.
It is like going out and buying a brand new 2015 Jaguar. Getting excited, jumping into the car and revving up the engine and zooming down the track. The speedometer shows 200 on this version, and 160 on your old version. But as soon as you hit 160, the engine stops you from going any faster. You check the manual and you see a message saying, " due to wishing for all Jaguar owners to have equal experiences, this car's top speed will be the same as last years model. We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause "
In the end, still an awesome drive in your Jaguar, but you sure do wish you could go 200 instead of 160.
It is like going out and buying a brand new 2015 Jaguar. Getting excited, jumping into the car and revving up the engine and zooming down the track. The speedometer shows 200 on this version, and 160 on your old version. But as soon as you hit 160, the engine stops you from going any faster. You check the manual and you see a message saying, " due to wishing for all Jaguar owners to have equal experiences, this car's top speed will be the same as last years model. We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause "
In the end, still an awesome drive in your Jaguar, but you sure do wish you could go 200 instead of 160.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
You really can't compare a first party developer making exclusives to a third party developer who is making their first non-Xbox game since PS2 launched. Nintendo still has to make compromises to meet those standards. There aren't even that many 1080p/60fps Nintendo games on Wii U. Smash is the only one I can think of.
perfectsil
Member
what graphically demanding games have PS4 been running at 1080p/60fps? yeah exactly, so why would anyone have such expectation for this game?
Yep. Widescreen or no screen I always say. Black Borders or gtfo.