don't do this to yourself, sadly MS put the money on the wrong places when they designed the console, this isnt 343i fault but MS, the game wont change much from now till release, sadly, this is what they have to work with and people expecting 343i to pull a miracle are gonna be incredibly disappointed
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DF: Can Halo 5 deliver on its 60fps promise?
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NobleGundam
Banned
Idk how I feel about that last sentence. .
Is it worth it looking like a 60fps Xbox 360 game and running at 832x810?
is there a clear example of they being wrong with a before and after release? they did it with project cars and had to pull the footage but when the game was release it was pretty much the same result with 1 or 2 frames difference give or take, i just hope the game is good regardless of technical stuff
No way they're going to miss out on that sweet holiday money. Unlike smaller franchises, Halo is probably one that could hold its own against the usual mega-franchises of the holiday season. Chances are, if someone owns an Xbox One, they're probably a Halo fan. That doesn't mean that I support them releasing during holiday, just that they could feasibly do it without losing too much to other games. I just hope they know the Call of Duty from the A studio comes out 10 days after they do. They need a hit with Halo 5.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Poor MisterXclown, Dat Secret Sauce still not have arrived on devs hands...
4K?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Ha.
Holy shit.
COD, then Battlefront, and Destiny before it.... Idk, doesn't sound wise to me.
According to MisterX, MS will ship a couple other 4K titles this year...
But anyways, I hope 343i can improve the image quality before release. The footage that I have seen doesn't look that hot.
DeadManWalking
Member
Poor MisterXclown, Dat Secret Sauce still not have arrived on devs hands...
What is this? Some of these people are really delusional.
Not expecting a miracle. I have a feeling it'll be sub 900p with 60fps for the majority, with dips here and there. The crazy thing is, I'm totally fine with it. I liked the way the beta felt when playing. I absolutely hate ADS and universal sprint, but the gunplay was smooth, it just felt better than any other Halo MP has played and I think the framerate has a lot to do with it.
I'm just saying. This wasn't a beta build with a month till launch. This was a build they were doing for months before E3. The game launches in almost 4 months still and it's still easily 2+ months before it's gold, with development probably continuing well up until launch. The game is only going to look better.
Mendax
Member
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Its probably just 3 months to go until gold.
That E3 Build wasnt months old. It was just two weeks old.
Backfoggen
Banned
You realize you will see every game in 4k as your output right (on a 4k TV that upscales)?
Not true, if 343 wasn't being rushed I'm sure they can work some magic, but you know, holiday 15 or bust
dragonelite
Member
It has better rendering specs then BF4, I'm talking about the beta that is.
DICE is one of the better 3rd party devs out there, so why are people expecting a lot more
from 1st party devs.
For release it should not go to 832x810 I hope, but is that a given?
All I see its a guess from a white board at white board time stamp?
ProfessorMoran
Member
Frame rate is fluctuating this badly even with dynamic resolution?
I think perform well and look good are two separate entities.
Forza 5 performs amazingly well, but looks average.
Ryse (i know crytek) looks amazing, runs terribly.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Yup. I seriously doubt that 343 hasnt locked down their target Resolution. They will probably use that Dynamic Resolution solution. There would be no point in creating something like this and not using it at the end.
To me, Halo 5 is very disappointing to look at. Yes the gameplay, Story etc will maybe end up fun. But graphicly the game looks very disappointing for a 1st party title.
When i look at a 3rd party game like Battlefront, that looks way better, has way better looking effects, more players and 60fps... i wonder what happened then at 343.
Warzone doesnt look good either.
Welfare
Member
LOL rushed
Other companies are able to release their games just fine in the holiday, and hell, Black Ops 3 is on a 3 year dev cycle and will be launching in holiday 2015. 343 is also on a 3 year dev cycle. If 343 can't accomplish that, that's on them.
Are we going to blame all games that don't meet standards "rushed" now? Load of bull.
Treyarch only A studio because the real A studio was broken up with the majority leaving and founding Respawn, the team that brought TitanFall and brought the mechanics that every game from Destiny to Halo to Call of Duty seem to be utilizing back to the forefront again. Imagine what they'll do with TitanFall 2 which will probably be full multiplatform release.
It's Halo and it's Xbox. Why not earth would anyone buy an Xbox One over PS4 if they weren't going to buy Halo? Destiny sales are at the tail end now, even with Taken King (which I'm buying), Battlefront is going to be huge because it will tie into the Star Wars Episode VII hype, and Call of Duty is Call of Duty.
I'm buying and was more hyped for Battlefront (recent no campaign, janky gameplay notwithstanding), but I'm confident Halo 5 will sell like gangbusters, especially when they bring out the special console. Unlike last year where Assassin's Creed got a solid bundle and Sunset and Advanced Warfare got special bundles, Halo 5 will be THE special bundle as well. Some solid sales or promotions, I can easily see it sell a lot. This holiday was always going to be tough. I bet EA is more worried because they had to have the game out a month before movie. They'd have preferred March like Hartline.
You realize this isn't the 1st XB1 game released, right?
Lots of concern trolling in here.....
But yea, I'd like to see them make the necessary compromises to get a reasonably solid 60fps. It will get shit on by certain folks in the DF thread or whatever and it wont get any awards for graphics, but the game will actually be more fun and satisfying to play, which is what is important in the end.
Honestly, I think Halo 5 looks good, but I'm sure many of us were expecting more from it visually. And I know 343i has a few more months of optimization left, but at this point, I'm starting to doubt that they can even hit 900p (or 1080pr) regularly with the dynamic res. I mean, 1152x810 is still pretty far away from 1600x900 in pixels. Furthermore, from DF's video, there were several locations that were struggling to maintain a stable 60FPS.
I wouldn't call having three years to do something as being rushed.
UC4 got pushed back, and that was sony's big title... I rather wait for greatness then be rushed mediocrity
Primethius
Banned
For MP sure? But the demo here is of SP. And there are more factors to making a Halo campaign "fun" then simply putting Halo 4 at 60 FPS.
Nothing in the demo shows why 60 FPS was a good target to prioritize over the things, you know, that actually make Halo, Halo.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
"struggling"
It's a dated build of a game with a few months development time still in it. Stop.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
The beta suffered from that horrible aliasing too. And the beta wasnt butter smooth like some here are claiming. If you played some strongholds you will know what im talking about.
Was it really a full 3 years though? Did they not touch MCC at all, even when it shipped broken as all hell, they didn't have to stop and try to fix it?
At a really low resolution. Increasing the resolution means the frame-rate will take another hit.
I played the beta. Ran fine for me.
Let's face it. There is no chance in Hell that Microsoft will let 343 delay Halo 5, sadly.
We're used to 900p by now, but going below 720p and still having framerate dips while having graphics barely better than Halo 4 is pretty embarrassing. I blame Mattrick and kinect of course, X1 devs have been given the short end of the stick this gen.
Welfare
Member
2 separate teams. MCC team and Halo 5 team. Frankie and others have said that they couldn't pull resources from Halo 5 to MCC.
Was never going to be 1080p. How many shooters do you know that can hit 1080p/60fps on Xbox One? How many do you know that can even achieve that on PS4 easily?
It was always going to be dynamic scaling with the goal to hit 60fps.
Not the final product man. "But its only a few months away" - yea, but we don't know how old this build is or anything. There's plenty of time for them to find a balance they're happy with.
If this is how the final game ends up, I'll agree it's embarrassing, but only for 343 studios, as the system has proven it is capable of better.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
We need a Xbox TWO already...
We all know the answer to that. and it certainly looks better than H5
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I don't know how anyone can seriously expect a locked 60fps. It's not going to happen. I'm sure it's still going to run nicely with dips into the 40s here and there.
If there's one thing 343 has, it's decent artists, so I'm hoping good art design can make up for any technological limitations.
If there's one thing 343 has, it's decent artists, so I'm hoping good art design can make up for any technological limitations.
If you're referring to Metro Redux, then I agree. Those games look great.
Was talking about reach on 360
Might be nostalgia but i remember being very impressed by reach specially particles
I don't think special edition consoles sell well or are made in any great numbers.
Halo 5 will do fine but it's nowhere near Halo 3 or even Reach. When your PR for Halo 4 sales is best selling Halo game within respective launch year in the US, you are trying way too hard to make sales sound good. With Star Wars hype, I think the big player base might go elsewhere for a few months.
Halo 5 will do fine but it's nowhere near Halo 3 or even Reach. When your PR for Halo 4 sales is best selling Halo game within respective launch year in the US, you are trying way too hard to make sales sound good. With Star Wars hype, I think the big player base might go elsewhere for a few months.
For a single player yes, you are correct.
However i was speaking in terms of multiplayer (advanced warfare)
COD and Metro?
nogoodnamesleft
Banned
Dynamic res whatever, as long as the game maintains 60fps. Framerate > iq. Always.