I don't know tech wise how works exactly. But capped fps, it could drops more often if the average higher fps it's not that high. I don't think to say something of new. But of course I don't know if CD did it intentionally. It's just a suspect.
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Digital Foundry : Should you install The Witcher 3's day one patch ( XO version )
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Without the patch:
Every PS4/XBONE game by comparison when you have a 980GTX:
Fixed.
JeffG
Member
Ahhhhh...
okey dokey then
"Don't know how it works, but I will tell you how it works"
Got it
I haven't seen anyone supporting your thesis from yesterday and I don't see anyone doing it now with this new thesis.
I don't know about shadows on PS4.
Exactly the point.
Since PS4 is providing better resolution, they wanted the throw xbox a "bone" and give it higher FPS? =)
It makes no sense, but wouldn't be unimaginable.
So I'm wrong because I don't know precisely how works? Wat?
Chobel
Member
You're wrong because you're wrong.
What thesis? About the capped matter? It's the same DF guy who said on GTA V thread the ps4 version it's 30 steady probably because uncapped average fps it's very high. Why it doesn't works in the same way for this game?
It's more that what you're implying doesn't make much sense. The only thing an unlocked framerate "improves" is the average framerate. It shouldn't make any difference to the lowest framerate, except for maybe improving the bottom end in cases where throttling may happen.
If anything the unlocked framerate is a testament to how buggy the release of this game is, because it makes no sense to implement a dynamic resolution system alongside an unlocked framerate.
Wut.ok.
JeffG
Member
Glad we could agree on something.
I agree of the fact you never tested a capped or uncapped game with a simple PC graphic setting menu. That's what happens. But because I don't know how works it's no more valid.
Multiple display planes aren't required, but it makes it easier (and also allows using the HW scaler without mucking up the HUD). Last gen, quite a few devs would scale the frame manually and then overlay the native 720p HUD before presenting to the scaler/video out.
Jessie.Bristol
Member
What they mean is, capping frame rate to 30fps will not bring the average below 30fps. On Xbox One the game maintains frame rates above 30fps most of the time, so capping to 30fps would mean it would be consistent most of the time. As Digital Foundry noted, it rarely drops below 30fps. As a result, to your point, it would not drop frames more often. In fact, it would rarely drop frames unlike an unlocked frame rate with a variable 30fps - 40fps instead of a ~90% locked 30fps.
Wouldn't be a tried and true CDPR launch without bugs.
Just gotta hope they're aware of the issues.That's not true at all. And they have tested xbone version partially. Ps4 drops quite frequently in the struggle scenario. We need to see what happens on xbone in the same conditions. But of course could be just a weird choose of the developers.
Jessie.Bristol
Member
That is why I said ~90%, we still need to wait for Digital Foundry to release their full performance analysis to see how The Witcher 3 performs in more demanding scenes.
Pathfinder
Member
I don't recall DF claiming which version is best.
Right, because the Killzone one ended so well.
Against CDPR? Microsoft hasn't said anything about it.
No, because you are acting like I don't have a clue but I have an opinion. This is totally fine in discussions and sometimes this is an integral part of a discussion, people often do this. But expect to get responses if you can't argue for your opinion. The other thing is ignoring or not understanding what other people say to you to show you why you are wrong. I don't say you're intentionally ignoring but guess people didn't explain to you good enough.
Either way, this is a tech thread and at least we had a small discussion about tech which this thread is not really populated with
presagetogood
Member
I have the game on XB1 and played an hour and a half into it. This is one of my first experiences with a detailed rpg world in an open world setting, having missed out on Mass Effect and other titles similar in vein. It's pretty thrilling so far. The image quality and draw distance are pretty awesome, though sometimes I do feel as if the picture gets better optimized and I'm not sure if that's the dynamic scaling or if the textures are just better optimized in some scenes.
Even though I am a much- maligned 'casual', I noticed the jutter; some people seem to suggest they are scientists for being able to notice the jutter. It came right away in the first cut scene, near the immediate intro. As soon as actual gameplay came along, I was training, then riding the horse to go kill the Griffon, and the jutter was either completely gone or barely discernible. In actual gameplay, this game feels smooth, combat she action are gratifying, and cut scenes vary in their impact from the jutter. The worst sequence for juttering for me so far, occurred in the early intro.
This is not a broken game or an unplayable experience, imo. Those that do have this point of view, perhaps they are exaggerating, haven't played the actual game, are incredibly sensitive to movement of any kind, need to find things to complain aabout, or just want to be 'concerned'.
There were many who were offended by my earlier post, and I simply don't have time to address them all. There were several posts that took issue with my claim that people shouldn't ignore other people's rights to feel differently, because they thought I was doing the same thing. I was able to post and read hundreds or perhaps thousands of posts taking on the issue of the gulf and extreme disparity of 900p v 1080p, before ever laying down myopinion on the matter. So those opinions are already stated and have already been heard and accepted thousands of times, on this board. I was not ignoring that people who think differently on the matter could exist; I simply just didn't write about them because my point of view disagrees with them.
Even though I am a much- maligned 'casual', I noticed the jutter; some people seem to suggest they are scientists for being able to notice the jutter. It came right away in the first cut scene, near the immediate intro. As soon as actual gameplay came along, I was training, then riding the horse to go kill the Griffon, and the jutter was either completely gone or barely discernible. In actual gameplay, this game feels smooth, combat she action are gratifying, and cut scenes vary in their impact from the jutter. The worst sequence for juttering for me so far, occurred in the early intro.
This is not a broken game or an unplayable experience, imo. Those that do have this point of view, perhaps they are exaggerating, haven't played the actual game, are incredibly sensitive to movement of any kind, need to find things to complain aabout, or just want to be 'concerned'.
There were many who were offended by my earlier post, and I simply don't have time to address them all. There were several posts that took issue with my claim that people shouldn't ignore other people's rights to feel differently, because they thought I was doing the same thing. I was able to post and read hundreds or perhaps thousands of posts taking on the issue of the gulf and extreme disparity of 900p v 1080p, before ever laying down myopinion on the matter. So those opinions are already stated and have already been heard and accepted thousands of times, on this board. I was not ignoring that people who think differently on the matter could exist; I simply just didn't write about them because my point of view disagrees with them.
Right, because the Killzone one ended so well.
I see your point, simply because the courts probably won't care...
But in terms of the customer being given what they are being sold, it's a much different situation.
Killzone - a unique and "controversial" technique was used to reach 1080p, which many argued was not true 1080p. It was something more complex than simply up-scaling.
W3 - box says "1080", yet 100% of the time you are actually seeing real-time graphics the game will be 900 up-scaled.
Does it? None of my Xbox One or Wii U cases say that. Only my PS4 cases include the resolution.
Pathfinder
Member
I also refuse to believe the devs are done patching the game, with the unpolished state it seems to be in. It may be too early to call foul play on this one.
I'm pretty sure every 360 game I ever owned had 1080p on the back of the box, yet all of them were 720p or less. It's all about output vs internal rendering.
Summer Haze
Banned
It really doesn't.
Sorry. None of my Xbox One* cases say that.
AgentOtaku
Member
aaaaaand i'm back
aaand holy shit at the framepacing of XBO version. REALLY wanted that one too but guess i'm picking up PS4 version here shortly now :/
aaand holy shit at the framepacing of XBO version. REALLY wanted that one too but guess i'm picking up PS4 version here shortly now :/
JigglesBunny
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If you have a PS4 and an Xbox One, get the PS4 version.
If you have a PS4, Xbox One and a capable PC, get the PC version.
If you have an Xbox One and nothing else, buy the Xbox One version, just know you're getting a slightly bumpier and less impressive presentation even though the game remains the same.
Pretty simple if you ask me since this has been true of almost every multiplatform game released so far this generation.
No matter what, it's The Witcher 3, it kicks ass, you're gonna have a blast and CDPR will do it's best to fix what it can.
If you have a PS4, Xbox One and a capable PC, get the PC version.
If you have an Xbox One and nothing else, buy the Xbox One version, just know you're getting a slightly bumpier and less impressive presentation even though the game remains the same.
Pretty simple if you ask me since this has been true of almost every multiplatform game released so far this generation.
No matter what, it's The Witcher 3, it kicks ass, you're gonna have a blast and CDPR will do it's best to fix what it can.
ioriyagami
Member
EDIT: blah, nevermind
every single Xbox 360 case said 1080p....whats your point?
qa_engineer
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Pathfinder
Member
Everyone thinks exactly the same way.
Let's shut down the forums. No more point to it.
thelastword
Banned
I actually did mention wolfenstein, so it seems I'm not going for any narrative after all. The way Wolfenstein does dynamic resolution and the way W3 does dynamic resolution is at opposite ends of the wave length. One makes sense the other doesn't.
Pathfinder
Member
A purely subjective statement. Both are implemented to keep frame rate steady when GPU is under heavy load, and both appear to be doing what they set out to do. The problem right now is the XO build of W3 isn't capping frame rate in a way to address stutter, which I'm sure they'll address.
i think the other problem people are having with this is the idea of calling the game 1080p with a variable resolution, if its only really 1080p in the menus and some random rare scenes throughout the game...in that case just make the thing 900p and call it a day
Pathfinder
Member
Sounds to me like it's more a problem of semantics, but let's go with that scenario for a second.
How much of the game would actually have to be 1080p in order to satisfy the naysayers? Are we talking 40%? 50%? More than 50%? Who decides?
AlexTrevelyan
Neo Member
I've played the XB1 version for about 5 hours or so, and the cutscenes run really poorly but I'm confident that can be fixed with a patch. The game itself runs just fine.
biglittleps
Member
DF says its capped to 30FPS in PS4 in patch 1, but for XB1 may be its hard to do because of dynamic resolution scaling to control FPS. So they have to work really hard to fix this Cap in XB1 with dynamic scaling (thats why they might have missed in the firs patch) or lock game at 900p30 by disabling dynamic scaling.
More like it runs at a lower resolution because the Xbox has a weaker GPU and that's what the system is capable of without sacrificing other details. Just a thought.
A framerate that hovers slightly above 30 fps creates a mess of stuttering. It's not "better" than a locked 30 fps in any way whatsoever.
i dont have the answer to that...and frankly it doesnt effect me at all since i doubt ill be buying the game on any platform...but while it may be semantics in a sense...its probably just a smidge deceiving to call a game 1080p w/ dynamic resolution if its only 1080p in the menus...you would have to agree with that right?...
if i HAD to throw a number out there id say it would have to be north of 50% of the time for me to feel comfortable with that statement...
Pathfinder
Member
I suppose, maybe a little. However, it also kind of feels like the 1.01 patch is problematic in general and there's still touch-ups and optimizations to be done. The game just came out today. I think we should give them some time to make adjustments before jumping down their throat.
thelastword
Banned
It's not about naysayers, it's about logic or what makes sense. Apparently you missed my post on the prior page (hence you thought I never mentioned Wolfenstein), but I also did take a stab at your question, though a bit pre-emptively.
I would say 90% is the ideal percentage. If your game is not meeting the optimum resolution + framerate the majority of the time, then it makes very little sense to implement a DR fixture in your engine. The purpose of DR is to curtail drops under the largest and most intense scenes in your game (in essence, when the shit hits the fan), you want to maintain your framerate even in these scenes.
The way Witcher 3 does it is on the flipside, which makes no sense for DR. It runs 900p 99.5% of the time, then what's the point of DR in that game at all. If anything, it should be doing dynamic resolution from 900p to 720P as I'm sure there will be drops below 30fps on the xbone version at 900p.
Pathfinder
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There doesn't appear to be many, if any, drops below 30fps on the XO version with the latest patch, if DF's pre-comparison video is anything to go by. I seriously doubt they'd have to drop down past 900p at all.
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