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Project Scorpio to be shown off next week according to Jez C... (READ MOD POST)
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not on a console, on a dev-kit
flipswitch
Member
LED display on the console?
Hmm, hey, here's an early PlayStation 2 concept, probably not an official one.
4 controller ports! Haha.
*Ahem*... Anyway.
I really hope Microsoft chose to use some form of Zen for the CPU in the Scorpio because I really don't want another gen of sub 30fps and bad frame pacing again, Come on Microsoft!
Thursday can't come soon enough!
It's the same gen.
You can carry on the rest of the gen with sub 30fps and poor frame pacing then if the arbitrary human division of what is a generation of electronic hardware bothers you so much.
I mean, it's using next generation production techniques and an entirely different architecture. It's using the next generation of GPU and CPU from he model before...
Unless you define a "gen" to have some other arbitrary change, such as a new controller or games that don't work on the machines you owned before .
soundscream
Member
Bought one last year so I wouldnt have to shell out for a scorpio and a tv in the same time span.
So there are no possible visual or performance improvements that can be made for games that are currently out on current gen machines?
It's a stupid argument.
Thats just a policy which can be changed at a moments notice. It would surprise me if Scorpio doesnt have exclusive (or cross gen with the next Xbox) games 5 years from now.
That's not what I said.
Bottom line: It's not a new gen. Microsoft has said that time and time again and yet we still have this conversation for no reason.
Games will look better, of course they will. But treating this as a new gen as if every game will be 4K/60FPS from now on is nonsense. Unfortunately, I might add. I'd be OK with leaving the Xbox One behind for good.
blue_phazon
Member
5 years is a long time. Who knows what will happen until then.
I just find it confusing how people go against the official wording time and time again. Spencer even said there was no reason to buy a Scorpio if one doesn't own a 4K TV. How can someone then go and say it's the next gen? Doesn't make much sense.
But we all have to re-establish what those terms even mean thanks to the new console structures. To me a gen is a platform that plays games not available on older platforms. And that's not at all what Scorpio seems to be.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
is it really always jaguar holding back 60?
I dont think a better cpu is always going to bring about 60 fps, maybe an optional 60fps mode but if games are ultra setting and 4k native then I wouldn't imagine 60 is coming too often.
I dont think a better cpu is always going to bring about 60 fps, maybe an optional 60fps mode but if games are ultra setting and 4k native then I wouldn't imagine 60 is coming too often.
Both games could get ported to PC and look better than they do on the PS4s. They'd also run on lower hardware than a base PS4.
That statement is pretty silly. Software is at its most powerful. We're at a point in time where it's at its easiest to make games scalable.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
If anything traditional console generations are doing more harm than good if we are talking about graphics and such. Consoles hold the industry back in terms of multiplatform games at the planning stages having to think about the lowest denominator. Heck, I'd say it even effects first party games not being able to make huge distinctive leaps with their sequels over the span of the gen. Not to mention all the time and effort and money spent trying to eek out as much of the power of the consoles as they can over the long gens.
PC if I am not mistaken doesn't have this problem and has always been the definitive place to play games and that is more like an iterative space than traditional console gens. This has remained true no matter the generation consoles where on. This has a lot to do with the way games on PC scale to various types of hardware which MS at least has specifically mentioned they are utilizing for Scorpio from here on out for launching all games on Xbox One as well. I see no reason that with the iterative console approach (if it is indeed where we are headed) that we shouldn't be looking at it more (not exactly) like GPU's releasing for PC and being able to reach further fidelity in games with each one sooner/faster than we could before with traditional gens.
So, as a PC only gamer, I very much welcome these new iterative consoles because they will be raising the bar graphics wise for me as well much sooner than normal.
NOTE: This is more for those who understand the impact that RAM and such have on games and what avenues having more opens up for development possibilities during the planning stages.
PC if I am not mistaken doesn't have this problem and has always been the definitive place to play games and that is more like an iterative space than traditional console gens. This has remained true no matter the generation consoles where on. This has a lot to do with the way games on PC scale to various types of hardware which MS at least has specifically mentioned they are utilizing for Scorpio from here on out for launching all games on Xbox One as well. I see no reason that with the iterative console approach (if it is indeed where we are headed) that we shouldn't be looking at it more (not exactly) like GPU's releasing for PC and being able to reach further fidelity in games with each one sooner/faster than we could before with traditional gens.
So, as a PC only gamer, I very much welcome these new iterative consoles because they will be raising the bar graphics wise for me as well much sooner than normal.
NOTE: This is more for those who understand the impact that RAM and such have on games and what avenues having more opens up for development possibilities during the planning stages.
Many games in pro boost mode is running proportionally better with the higher clocked cpu, suggesting framerate is cpu limited.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
MS gave DF exclusive interviews and 'deep dives' for xbox1, giving Penello more coverage for his bullshit train- and we all know how that went.
Given that we've seen AMD hardware in the last xbox one, ps4 and pro we can pretty much scale expectations based on what the raw numbers say.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
I don't think that suggests that games will run 60 though. They run better but with higher resolutions, shadows effects etc and devs (as usual) choosing to squeeze more out for 30fps is what makes games run 30fps on console and the higher end stuff not being able to run 60 on most pc gpus
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this time MS is trying to limit people's expectations to the specs given out in the E3 reveal. Scorpio's power for a console will be exactly as expected at the point of release, and there'll be no talk of 'secret sauce'* in the hardware; which is certainly different to last time round.
* Secret sauce may be available in some Scorpio OS features
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Hopefully something from MS today.
Pancakes R Us
Member
If Crazy Buttocks on a Train doesn't confirm it, it's not real. Hah.
Kidding aside, looking forward to this.
Kidding aside, looking forward to this.
TheScarecrow101
Neo Member
Don't get me wrong about CBOAT but the last we heard from them was late 2015 right? Does anyone think CBOAT would have anything and if so, usually would have posted by now based on the current leaks. Maybe they have moved on to other lands?
Being honest though, i don't mind waiting this week to see if things pan out for a DF deep dive.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
I'm pretty sure Phil had them beaten with bats and buried in a corn field.
Colbert
Banned
Say goodbye to your "gens" then as you probably will not see those type of switches anymore at least with Microsoft. Thats what all this Backward Compatibility , Forward Compatibility, Xbox Play Anywhere, Game Pass and Universal Windows Platform is about: That you can take your game catalog/backlog over to the successor of a console and still able to play it.
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
I hope so too. A countdown post from Larry Hryb would be nice.
TheScarecrow101
Neo Member
Wife and I are laughing at the thought of Phil Spencer standing over three people with black bags on their heads. He tightens his grip on a baseball bat "What we have here is a over abundance of communication. I am here to make it stop"
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Rösti;233266040 said:
Yeah exactly man, something like that. But if it's just an article about the specs, that's not really countdown worthy I guess. A full reveal would be more fitting of that.
12Dannu123
Member
Agreed. It's getting increasingly clear that Sony can't do this efficiently, coding their games to the metal is what they did and the result would be that BC will be broken when they move to Ryzen
the problem being that those scalable titles will never meet the expectations associated with the specs of the new system itself. people will expect a generational gap level of visual difference between the xbone and the scorpio, but all they might end up getting is native 4k and slightly better texture filtering thats not only a poor use of power, but not a very discernible one compared to the competition. and it will always be held back by the lower end of the spectrum.
it's why black flag didn't look like a "next gen" title at the PS4's launch. it was held back by ultimately being a last gen title too. only now we've moved into a situation were that doesn't just happen for the first year or so of a consoles lifespan, but spans the entire thing. i'm not sure i see the benefits tbh. same is true for the pro.
Those titles were built upon completely different architectures. We're not in that situation now.
To think the pro is not being fully utilised is also silly.
Right, Project Helix. Some good changes are coming.
megathemiis
Member
Eurogamer published an interview about ID@Xbox today, just as the rumors were mentioning Xbox interviews. The Scorpio coverage will probably come later this week.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-03-29-does-id-xbox-need-a-no-mans-sky
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-03-29-does-id-xbox-need-a-no-mans-sky
a game made exclusively for the pro would look better than a game that is on both, i stand by that. scorpio is the same. and if both continue to waste resources on 4k, then that too is only making matters worse. we have games on pro that look largely the same running at higher res, it's like...big whoop. i'd rather see the power utilised in a way that makes the games actually look better in regards to assets and effects. instead we're getting force fed 4k despite majority of gamers not having the means to even take advantage of it. i've never seen a gen of consoles where power was exponentially higher and yet the results barely changed, and yet here we are. it's backwards imo.
Resolutions higher than 1080p aren't a waste. Besides supersampling is a thing as are resolution/performance options (see Nioh and ROTTR).
freefornow
Member
I thought Phil was ntkrnl
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"Coding to the metal" isn't really a thing like in generations past. They don't have super specialised hardware like they used to that needed very specific ways of doing things to get the most out of it, a reason why some emulation of older consoles is still iffy. They are still a closed box which is where the advantage comes, good development software along with fixed hardware means it's easier to get the most out of what you have.
The PS4 uses general purpose hardware now though, this isn't the Cell, it shouldn't have any issues being played on future hardware as long as they are compatible. I fully expect PlayStation 4 and Xbox One games to be playable on all future hardware unless they make some dramatic architecture change again.
Bitch Pudding
Member
I see what you did there.
Last_colossi
Member
I didn't word that correctly, I apologize.
All I mean to say is that I hope Microsoft's makes a console that isn't bottlenecked by it's CPU like the PS4 Pro.
I'm guessing you don't have a 4k display with HDR?
Higher resolutions give rise to better view distance, ultra textures look incredible, not to mention the colour achieved. I'm not even technical but I can see the difference where games have been designed to take advantage of these features. Progress has to be made somewhere.
In Service
Member
I'm going for a black box. Or a white one.
Maybe slightly less "boxy" then last gen.
There will also be an X on it. Subtle. Maybe in a different shade. There will also be ports, maybe on the back, or the front.
#insider.
wesleyshark
Banned
I'd like a gunmetal console at launch pls
In Service
Member
That would be different.
I wonder how much time they put into whether they should deviate from black. I know that my black TV and Sky Box look good together but I can suffer a white XBO S.
If I had to dream I would like a brushed steel effect to make dusting and scratches easier to avoid.