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The Order: 1886 is rendering in 2.40:1 ratio (1920x800), will this be a trend?
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That being in scope is not an inherent indication that the game will have a wider FoV than if it was in 16:9.
vpance
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More enemies to shoot at on left and the right.
That is not necessarily the case. There is a good example of that on the last page posted by StuBurns.
GANGSTERKILLER
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This means even when I set my TV to 1:1 pixel mapping I get the black borders, that is stupid and it aint necessary to get that "cinematic experience".
I hated this in Resident Evil 4 on the GameCube. The PS2 version (although technically inferior) got it right, just like the Wii and HD version.
I hated this in Resident Evil 4 on the GameCube. The PS2 version (although technically inferior) got it right, just like the Wii and HD version.
You are mixing many things up, but yes, if you play the game the way the developers intend, then you will have black bars, on a 16:9 tv
You think they'd admit to it being a concession?
Meh...me too, but adjusting the baffling to 2:40-1 AR is a real pain in the ass cause I did not automate them.
Infernal Monkey
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A childhood of squished PAL games has prepared me for this next-gen experience.
If the decision is made now, before they're even running on final hardware, it's clearly an artistic choice. Dropping resolution for performance usually only happens in optimization, which would probably be at least a year from now.
The developer can't decide what's going to be focused and design the game's encounters accordingly?
Welp? Come off it.
I sold my Gamecube version of RE4 and grabbed the HD because of this.
Even when I originally bought it and played it, I set the TV on wide zoom. Its ridiculous. I'd rather the performance hit, or lower resolution than black bars.
The fact that its happening on a next Gen console just makes it worse.
Ninja Scooter
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I like The Order and hope it's a great game, but this is a fucking stupid idea just like it is when Mikami did it. It's a cheap way to create a "cinematic" experience. I have black bars when I watch certain BluRays because some movies were originally intended for a different aspect ratio of a theater screen. Video games are developed with fucking tvs in mind, so make them fit so that I can use my entire goddamn tv.
vpance
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While keeping the same vertical FOV as a typical 3rd person game.
If it is like God of War, yes it can. Or even if it is like the fixed camera, pre rendered background Resident Evil games.
metareferential
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Well, black bars are better than upscaling, from an IQ point of view.
But still, it's bullshit.
But still, it's bullshit.
Can Crusher
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I could see it work. But the game will really have to nail atmosphere.
Anticitizen One
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Keep black bars out of my vidya gahems
Dash Kappei
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I don't understand this logic at all.
It's like the posters who complain next-gen games are 30fps, despite the fact this compromise has been made every single generation.
It's not a technical limitation in the sense that it's impossible to make PS4 games that are full 1080p, but if you've chosen to do it in scope, you're going to use the extra GPU performance to make it look better. It's a cyclical design implication.
Stallion Free
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Dead Space was pretty fucking cool this way, but it's a random bonus of the game being on PC that players have a choice to use:
2.35 is better than 2.4. Can't let those black bars get too massive.
2.35 is better than 2.4. Can't let those black bars get too massive.
Go home, games. You're drunk.
James Sawyer Ford
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I doubt this is for performance reasons. Sounds like it's due to artistic reasons just like it is in movies.
OldAsUrSock
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Nothing is artistic about black lines taking up your screen when you paid for a TV so that you can get a full picture.
I have no problem with 30. I have no problem with 720. Hell, if I have full screen, I have no major problem with jaggies.
I do have a problem with a videogame not being full screen. There is no excuse good enough.
Borrowing from a medium you have a lot in common isn't embarrassing.
Let the developers make the game they want to make, if you don't like it, don't buy it, there are lots of other games out there doing different things, which is great for the medium.
Andronicus
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...So yall arguing about assumptions from an early trailer in here huh? Aight, looks good but i guess that doesn't matter *Blankstare*
Louis Cyphre
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Not sure. When a director does it it's for artistic reasons for a large screen and to create scope. Videogames are played on all sorts of TV sets and I would imagine most people have HDTV's 60" and below. I don't see any reasoning trying to create a vision that most gamers won't even care about. It almost sounds like it's doing a different aspect ratio just for the sake of doing something different.
Chuck Norris
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Any chance this game will have a big horror focus?
I could kind of forgive it from Mikami, because it will add a layer of claustrophobia to the image (I suppose)
But I really don't see it necessary, we are already in wide screen
I could kind of forgive it from Mikami, because it will add a layer of claustrophobia to the image (I suppose)
But I really don't see it necessary, we are already in wide screen
Movies are played on all sorts of displays too, from cinema to cellphone.
Thankfully the time when movies were not presented close to their intended aspect ratio seems to be over.
It isn't mandatory, unless you hate black bars.
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The Everyman
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cutmeamango
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If it works, it works.
AcceptableGhost
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this is very, very arguable
BadAss2961
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If the trailer resembles the game as much as they say it will, then consider the atmosphere nailed.
Since it's Ready at Dawn with help from Santa Monica, i'm betting they'll make it work. God of War devs won't fuck up.
Kung Fu Grip
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I love the look of 2.40:1 movies, but scope games? Get the fuck outta here with that shit. I want games to use my entire screen. Imagine playing Skyrim in scope. It would lose its Immersive feel.
I was referring to the fact that they're both primarily visual mediums. If films hadn't borrowed liberally from German expressionism we might never have gotten films like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, or Metropolis. There's nothing wrong with games taking a cue from other mediums like film, literature and comics as long as they continue to explore other avenues of self expression, which they are.
But even something like a cutscene isn't just primarily visual -- it is for the short duration -- a purely visual medium.
You know, I think there may be someone out there who doesn't yet know what you think of AMD, so keep on trucking!
Booker Dewitt
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People have had constant image height projectors for years. Only practical for super-enthusiasts, but there are people out there.
The difference between 2.35:1, 2.39:1 or 2.4:1 is so miniscule that almost no one actually cares to be accurate with it lol, or at least when it comes to home video releases.
But wouldn't a narrower aspect ratio be better for a horror game (same with The Evil Within)? Maybe what with every game for the most part being 1.78:1,2.4:1 standing out helps, but I would think a tighter viewing area would promote a more claustrophobic feel than the expansiveness of scope.
Cave Johnson
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I'd imagine we wouldn't have this much of a backlash had this game been announced as an "indie" title.
ChronotriggerJM
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I think ready at dawn is trying to emphasize the over the shoulder cam to create a more boxed in feeling. Whether or not this will pay off is another thing. I don't personally like the idea, but I also think I'd forget about it as soon as I start playing.
I'm definitely thinking this has nothing to do with performance. I just don't see the returns being worth the potential backlash.
I'm definitely thinking this has nothing to do with performance. I just don't see the returns being worth the potential backlash.
Brad Grenz
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Movies don't have a native source either. They are what the creators want them to be and there's no reason to hold games to a different standard just because a bunch of internet crybabies can't deal with unused pixels on their displays.
No one has any idea what the gameplay looks like or how it feels so it is simply ignorant to condemn this game for making a compromise that exists only in your imagination at this point.
drugstore_cowboy
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People have had constant image height projectors for years. Only practical for super-enthusiasts, but there are people out there.
It can be done on the cheap, had my CIH setup for a few years now and the whole thing cost less than half decent TV.
Changing AR can be done on a button press if scaling isn't a problem.
Graphics Horse
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Well, people do run Skyrim across multiple monitors.
Scope:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Id79Xz-Gg
Alx
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Movies didn't do it for artistic reasons. They introduced fancy formats to have an argument against television. Directors could use it to add artistic elements, but they would have done it with a vertical ratio just as well, only differently.
The human vertical field of vision is not much smaller than the horizontal one.
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