Matt Attack
Member
Yeah, it's a lot less exciting this way. The worst part here is I'm not sure many other votes make sense anymore- we've got people we're sort of suspicious of, and we've got somebody actually claiming to be Hutt.
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Star Wars Mafia |OT| A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy
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Yeah, it's a lot less exciting this way. The worst part here is I'm not sure many other votes make sense anymore- we've got people we're sort of suspicious of, and we've got somebody actually claiming to be Hutt.
Matt Attack
Member
I hope he's not being serious, but I can't completely discount the possibility. It's not impossible to imagine somebody outing themselves, whether it's due to frustration or being outplayed. The only way to find out for sure is for him to be detained, targeted by the Hutts, or have somebody with a role figure it out.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Either way, he should have just backed down. We have a replacement list for a reason, and it's not like we're 50 pages deep a replacement could still emigrate.
Unless it was a joke.
Unless it was a joke.
QuantumBro
Banned
Either way, there's no good reason for not detaining him today.
Matt Attack
Member
I'm leaning this direction. We can't unread what's been said. Plus, we were likely to detain a rebel anyway, so even if this turns out to be a waste of our time, it's not like there wasn't a good chance of the outcome being the same (not that we should downplay just how unfortunate it is to detain a rebel). This just seems like the cleanest possible detainment we could make, while also giving us more time to keep an eye on already-suspicious players, to better ensure we don't make too hasty of a judgement.
johnnyquicknives
Member
eurgh, I'd like to think he's just joking but there have been a few posts that make me think he just didn't know what he was getting in for and wants to suicide (his surprise at the potential game length, and later impatiently questioning when we thought today might end etc. ).
If thats the case he's probably regular town though.
If thats the case he's probably regular town though.
Blargonaut
Banned
- I've trawled through the reams of posts and have not found enough content for any individual to be conclusively righteously damned.
- However, I have decided that I am absolutely for first day detainment. We must maintain peak bloodlust if we are to root out Empire agents. Waiting won't solve anything, and I want off this sandbar.
- I am not inclined to vote for those who have expressed their disdain of me; I have read their stated reasons and I've seen nothing except their natural fear and suspicion of a rowdy wildcard. Thus, que sera, sera.
- But, I do find the hasty willingness to target a noisy abrasive candidate such as myself even more suspicious than targeting a quiet one. The clown in the limelight is an easy target, but can you honestly justify the thrown tomato?
- Thus, it remains logical to me to vote for one of the least vocal amongst us, to be sacrificed. I have mulled over selecting either QuantumBro, Matt Attack, raindoc, redhood56 and Setre.
- Logic: I have said that condemning an individual for merely being harmlessly vocal and/or "annoying" (as I have apparently been) would be immoral, and have indeed used this very statement in my defense; despite this, I contend that at this stage, it would be the far lesser necessary evil to eliminate one of the least vocal, the least "contributing" in the sense of presence. We as a collective gain almost nothing from keeping the silent ones around, both in the wargame and leisure sense.
Welp!
That renders my "come clean, getting serious" debut speech moot.
Regardless of whether you're actually an Imperial agent or not... I tell ya, once I get off this forsaken hellhole of a planet, I'll be sure to raise a Coruscant Cooler in your honour.
A toast; to courage, I guess.
UNVOTE: Blargonaut
VOTE: exmachina64
As to why: I follow the same reasoning as QuantumBro and Matt Attack above.
Zippedpinhead
Member
I'm semi-terribly confused at this turn of events but If he wants to admit he is mafia I can't argue.
vote=Exmachina64
vote=Exmachina64
Matt Attack
Member
This is pretty likely, but I'm not sure what other move makes as much sense as this one. If we let him go free and he does happen to be Hutt, then we'll just have to take care of him later anyway. I'm going to go ahead and vote now, although we still need a lot of players to weigh in on the situation.
VOTE: exmachina64
Also, I apologize for my relative uselessness this far- I believe somebody mentioned earlier in the thread that I haven't really brought up any new points or suspicions myself, which is a valid point. I'll make an effort to be more proactive whenever possible.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Now I'm not saying I was right.....lol but if he was/is a mafia then
Still don't exactly know but as you've all know I've had my suspicions.
VOTE: exmachina64
Damn. Things certainly took a turn. I'm sad to see this happen because I wanted him to stay with us, but not if he's a Hutt.
I was right.
VOTE: exmachina64
Damn. Things certainly took a turn. I'm sad to see this happen because I wanted him to stay with us, but not if he's a Hutt.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
This game has been more exciting than the other one I've been reading and it's only the first day. Sheit. We are in for a ride you guys.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Haha!
TheWorthyEdge
Member
I did that because I thought we were all voting for someone random. I've never doubted you, hell I even didn't want to vote you, but they said you were picked at random and that's how we were going to do it at the time.
AbsolutBro
Member
Man, you get a few hours of sleep and everything goes plaid. I'm of the "he was being facetious" mind, so I'm not sure I'll jump on the bandwagon just yet. Going to reread when I've had a little breakfast and caffeine.
Interesting turn of events.
First of all let me tell you why I voted for swamped.
Should not be a big surprise. But my vote was totally random. I rolled a dice and picked swamped. That's it. Sorry swamped.
At the moment I don't think swamped and CzarTim are Empire. Doubt Mafia started to defend their own so early. But could also be a trick. No way knowing for sure.
I was planning to that from the beginning. I liked Terrabyte20xx's plan. But I think he stopped it to soon. So I decided to try it myself and I think it worked quite well.
I am still for detaining someone today but I think it was very important not to vote "No Detain" too early. We would have had no discussion and without people posting we can learn nothing.
Ending the day early helps the empire, because the already know most of their enemies and will gain less from posting.
I'd like also to comment on the exmachina64 situation. I am not willing to vote him out yet. I'd like to get some response why he decided to claim being Mafia first.
One reason could be that he is pissed that people voted against him and he lost his cool. Not really something Mafia would do. They have their message board and he probably would have received some input from his partners.
At the moment my vote goes against OceanicAir.
This time I will give a reason.
His posting styles reminds me a lot of my own in the last game. He is posting, but it does not really add much. Could be a way to look like an active player.
Here are all of his post (hope I did not forget any):
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164171713&postcount=7
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164228200&postcount=54
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164231917&postcount=70
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164275014&postcount=185
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164275094&postcount=187
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164340296&postcount=323
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164360650&postcount=383
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164372004&postcount=406
Vote: OceanicAir
This is of course just based on a feeling. But like I said, it reminds me a lot of my own posting style, when I was Mafia.
I am also sure that there are other players who would fall in this category. But for some reason OceanicAir caught my attention.
First of all let me tell you why I voted for swamped.
Should not be a big surprise. But my vote was totally random. I rolled a dice and picked swamped. That's it. Sorry swamped.
At the moment I don't think swamped and CzarTim are Empire. Doubt Mafia started to defend their own so early. But could also be a trick. No way knowing for sure.
I was planning to that from the beginning. I liked Terrabyte20xx's plan. But I think he stopped it to soon. So I decided to try it myself and I think it worked quite well.
I am still for detaining someone today but I think it was very important not to vote "No Detain" too early. We would have had no discussion and without people posting we can learn nothing.
Ending the day early helps the empire, because the already know most of their enemies and will gain less from posting.
I'd like also to comment on the exmachina64 situation. I am not willing to vote him out yet. I'd like to get some response why he decided to claim being Mafia first.
One reason could be that he is pissed that people voted against him and he lost his cool. Not really something Mafia would do. They have their message board and he probably would have received some input from his partners.
At the moment my vote goes against OceanicAir.
This time I will give a reason.
His posting styles reminds me a lot of my own in the last game. He is posting, but it does not really add much. Could be a way to look like an active player.
Here are all of his post (hope I did not forget any):
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164171713&postcount=7
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164228200&postcount=54
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164231917&postcount=70
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164275014&postcount=185
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164275094&postcount=187
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164340296&postcount=323
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164360650&postcount=383
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164372004&postcount=406
Vote: OceanicAir
This is of course just based on a feeling. But like I said, it reminds me a lot of my own posting style, when I was Mafia.
I am also sure that there are other players who would fall in this category. But for some reason OceanicAir caught my attention.
I am thinking of 3rd Party players here.
Damn the "No Edit"-rule.
I'd also like to add that I did not have a question for MattyG. I'd just wanted to make it look like I am on to something with my vote.
Oh and I'd also have to say something about exmachina64. I really hope that there is some kind of plan behind this role claim. Maybe something to do with a power role?
Otherwise he'd hurt his own team mates. Which is not cool. No matter which side he is on.
I'd also like to add that I did not have a question for MattyG. I'd just wanted to make it look like I am on to something with my vote.
Oh and I'd also have to say something about exmachina64. I really hope that there is some kind of plan behind this role claim. Maybe something to do with a power role?
Otherwise he'd hurt his own team mates. Which is not cool. No matter which side he is on.
exmachina64
Banned
Hey, guys. I'm not mafia. I was frustrated, made that post and went to sleep. Traube summarized it nicely. If I was mafia, I'm smart enough not to expose myself this early.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Unvote: exmachina64
AbsolutBro
Member
Had me going at least! I was all set to write up how traube was the first with a non-random vote that didn't change and yadda yadda yadda
Glad I read more before I posted!
Someone, I think Palmer, posted earlier that they suspect at least 1 Hutt player is in the top poster of the thread and I'm inclined to agree. As multiple people have said, not posting mainly benefits the Hutt players by allowing them to avoid contradicting their own posts.
I had more written but it didn't make a lot of sense. I'll try again in a bit when the caffeine hits.
Blargonaut
Banned
"frustrated"??? Puhhlleeeeeassseee
People, he could be faking us out; traube provided quite the plausible excuse in that post and exmachina could now be using it as a very convenient out.
And what's with the hours-delayed explanation of such a bombshell post, hm? Who knows, he might have actually been biding his time trying to concoct a "valid" reason for his blurt, and couldn't think of anything until traube oh-so conveniently crafted one for him...and here he is now, LEAPING upon it like holovid hero on grenade!
And why even blurt such a claim in the first place...? Unless... both traube and exmachina could be Hutts, and this whole little sitch could totes be some sort of elaborate "trust-building" Hutt set-up... Mr. Castamere could be in on it too, instantly revoking your vote with no stated reasoning, eh?
Sorry guy, you cast your pod in the race with that stunt and I'm sticking to my blasters.
:I
...looks like a lot of drama transpired overnight. Shame about exmachina, i thought we were all having so much fun. I'm still hoping it's a joke but he's been absent for this entire debacle
And poor Blarg lol.
#thunderstolen
What face could I possibly wear now, behuhu
Lord of Castamere
Member
Thats a bad plan. I wouldn't approve it.
I backed down because this is quickly becoming an easy Hutt latch on. The more Hutts that latch on the better. I'm giving them my spot.
Blargonaut
Banned
SO... your approval means something to the Hutts then, my liege?
And... how exactly would the Hutts pile-voting one of their own into detainment be "better" for their cause? Unless I've misunderstood thee.
A king sacrificing a pawn, perhaps?
Lord of Castamere
Member
It wouldn't. They're likely pile voting onto a townie. If he is a Hutt then good, if not the more votes on him the better.
exmachina64
Banned
"frustrated"??? Puhhlleeeeeassseee
People, he could be faking us out; traube provided quite the plausible excuse in that post and exmachina could now be using it as a very convenient out.
And what's with the hours-delayed explanation of such a bombshell post, hm? Who knows, he might have actually been biding his time trying to concoct a "valid" reason for his blurt, and couldn't think of anything until traube oh-so conveniently crafted one for him...and here he is now, LEAPING upon it like holovid hero on grenade!
And why even blurt such a claim in the first place...? Unless... both traube and exmachina could be Hutts, and this whole little sitch could totes be some sort of elaborate "trust-building" Hutt set-up... Mr. Castamere could be in on it too, instantly revoking your vote with no stated reasoning, eh?
Sorry guy, you cast your pod in the race with that stunt and I'm sticking to my blasters.
:I
#thunderstolen
What face could I possibly wear now, behuhu
Or you're a Hutt eagerly trying to prevent the vote from swinging back in the direction of you and your compatriots. That lines up with your current behavior and the whole idiot jester role you've created for yourself.
Blargonaut
Banned
My sincerest apologies for my peasant-tier reading comprehension, but that little snippet of a line:
"If he is a Hutt then good, if not the more votes on him the better."
sounds like
"If he's a Hutt then it's good people are voting to detain him; but if he's not a Hutt and even more people vote to detain him, that's even better."
The wording just sounds weird to me, is all. :I
Lord of Castamere
Member
No, you're correct on the wording. If he's a Rebel the Hutts know he's a Rebel, and it gives the a nice safe vote that conforms with the group. Tomorrow they'll say "Gosh Darn" at the mis-lynch and hope everyone forgets, but the paper trail remains.
Blargonaut
Banned
True, I may have played the fool...
...but I wasn't the one who outright role-claimed to be our sworn enemy.
I'm merely voting for you based on your own self-condemning action. I don't buy your "frustrated" explanation.
Oh wait, teehee.
johnnyquicknives
Member
There probably is, but there are probably more of them lurking in the low-mid part of the table.
So thoughts:
The inexperienced
TheWorthyEdge and exmachina have both been posting a lot, much of which has been flagged as suspicious, and generally leaning on the "i'm inexperienced" defence. As I mentioned before, up to this point, neither of them have done enough to make me vote for them, mostly because I can see a lot of myself in the last game in their questions.
After his breakdown last night I can't see exmachina as Hutt, I just don't see someone with a known team supporting them cracking after two votes. I stick to what I said last night that I think he's most likely a basic rebel unsure about keeping playing.
Now that leaves Worthy seeming slightly more suspicious at this point, mostly because his level of experience seems inconsistent, and also because something feels off in his exmachina vote as I'll mention below.
One of the more interesting things to come out of exmachinas break was seeing who quickly jumped on the the detain train. It was a weird move, definitely worth discussing, but with almost 2 full days still on the clock I don't think there was an urgent need to jump straight to voting for him. I think at least one Hutt will have been in the group that piled in.
The Instigators - Quantum and LoC (and Terra)
I trust Terra right now, for previously discussed reasons.
Quantums reasoning is solid to me, I've had similar thoughts and until all this went down he was on my shortlist (i was actually preparing a post last night when this started to go down about how he has constantly seemed to be following others) but now, as I mention above, I just don't see it as a day 1 Mafia play.
LoC has been quite manipulative. Right now I feel this is just info gathering and could be being played in either direction. I'd rather he was still in the game tomorrow.
The Followers - Blargonaut, Zippedpinhead, Matt Attack, TheWorthyEdge, raindoc, eJawa
likely rebels
Blargonaut is actually discussing the game now! I'm inclined to believe he would have been posting and taking his vote away from himself around now anyway, it made sense to move it to exmachina.
Matt Attack hasn't posted much, but out of the lower post count players his reasoning has always seemed OK to me. It's definitely just a gut reaction but right now I'm inclined to think Rebel.
unsure
raindoc I havent had strong feelings about either way, his vote for exmachina seemed a bit more joking. For a poster that hasn't said a whole lot I would have preferred him to have offered some commentary on his choice.
eJawa is the opposite of Matt Attack for me, his posts do make sense but for some reason I have a negative gut feeling so bumped him down to unsure.
suspicious
Zippedpinhead has posted a moderate amount of times, enough to be noticed anyway, but mostly only commented about Mafia as a game in general and not about specifics to do with this game. It strikes me as the type of play a Hutt would go for in day 1, stay visible, appear knowledgeable, avoid most real discussion.
TheWorthyEdge, damnit, constantly making me change my opinion. Obviously there have been reasons discussed from the start that make him suspicious. I feel his level of experience seems to move all over the place depending whats happening. This post really didn't sit right with me:
The attitude just seems all over the place, almost bragging in the first sentance, sorry to see him go in the last (despite said suspicions). I just dont like it.
There are a couple of others, not involved in this debacle, that I have feelings about and want to consider before voting but this post has already taken too much time
Oh shit, I didn't make his list! Is that good or bad?
No idea. I am in the same boat.
I don't agree. I think at least one of them is working for the Empire.
Lord of Castamere
Member
johnnyquicknives
Member
Maybe my posts wasn't clear, I split that list of players down into 3 categories. likely rebels, unsure and suspicious
As I say at the bottom there are other players I have feelings about, this was purely looking at those voting in the exmachina fallout.
Blargonaut
Banned
Follower!? I resent that :3
You wrote me a great script a few pages back and I just had to play it.
However, don't think for a parsec that just because you've written a superb Event Log that I'm not watching you, Johnny. You're in this dustbowl just the same as we are.
You can't hide behind that veneer of exquisite summary.
...but, for what it's worth, I agree with you on Mr. Castamere. He smells fishy and has cooties.
Lord of Castamere
Member
I cannot sanction your buffoonery.
Setre
Member
Somethings bothered me since we crashed landed on this Force forsaken planet and its why no one seems to suspect Terrabyte20xx. The arguments for not suspecting him are as simple as why would a Hutt put themselves in the spotlight so early? But as we can clearly see everyone, so far as I can tell, doesnt suspect him at all anymore. His reasoning for doing what he did was to get the game going, I respect that, but as soon as the heat started to come down on him he immediately gives his reasoning instead of letting it build.
He contradicts himself when he's explaining why he did what he did. This doesn't seem to bother anyone else but it does me.
Of course he'd say this if he was a Hutt. As I mentioned earlier as soon as someone voted for him he gave his reasoning. Maybe if I were under the same pressure I'd do that to but it's still suspicious in my eyes.
Something I'd like people who've already made up there minds to consider. I don't make the most compelling arguments though. Moving on to more recent events now...
LoC seems pretty adamant about Detaining someone on Day 1. Most likely, with the information we have right now, we'd end up Detaining a fellow Rebel. The Hutts are going to kill someone during the Night and it's not going to be one of their own. So if we vote for someone now that'll be two less Rebels the Hutts have to deal with.
And then there's this. Seems like a pretty crappy thing to do to your fellow Hutts if you are indeed one of them. I don't think you are, I think you were just frustrated, but from now on if you survive not being Detained and aren't the Hutts target on the first Night I won't ever fully trust you.
That's all I've got. Just ramblings that probably won't sway anyone one way or another. My choice for a vote is between the three I've mentioned, will make a final decision later.
He contradicts himself when he's explaining why he did what he did. This doesn't seem to bother anyone else but it does me.
Of course he'd say this if he was a Hutt. As I mentioned earlier as soon as someone voted for him he gave his reasoning. Maybe if I were under the same pressure I'd do that to but it's still suspicious in my eyes.
Something I'd like people who've already made up there minds to consider. I don't make the most compelling arguments though. Moving on to more recent events now...
LoC seems pretty adamant about Detaining someone on Day 1. Most likely, with the information we have right now, we'd end up Detaining a fellow Rebel. The Hutts are going to kill someone during the Night and it's not going to be one of their own. So if we vote for someone now that'll be two less Rebels the Hutts have to deal with.
And then there's this. Seems like a pretty crappy thing to do to your fellow Hutts if you are indeed one of them. I don't think you are, I think you were just frustrated, but from now on if you survive not being Detained and aren't the Hutts target on the first Night I won't ever fully trust you.
That's all I've got. Just ramblings that probably won't sway anyone one way or another. My choice for a vote is between the three I've mentioned, will make a final decision later.
Oh. Sorry. Thought you ordered them by voting order. Should have looked closer.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Let me put it bluntly. If we detain someone today we have a small chance of gaining information for tomorrow, and a high chance of gaining information further down the line throgh inconsistencies and patterns. If we no detain today not only will we lose the chance for info tomorrow, but we also lose information for the future. We're not getting info from a role tomorrow. Hell I was caught Night 1 last game and wasn't revealed until like Night 6. Hoping for a Cop to swoop in to save you is fools gold. A Cop's just gonna shoot your dog, and get paid vacation.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Setre, When I said random, I meant there was no "I think he is Hutt" motive. In most mafia circles the term "random vote" usually means as such. I did close him specifically, but not because I legitimately wanted him out.
On a different note: UNVOTE: exmachina64
I'm not fully convinced he isn't hurt, but I am enough to not want him out, especially after that pile on. Someone else said that there are probably hurts in said pile on, and I fully agree.
On a different note: UNVOTE: exmachina64
I'm not fully convinced he isn't hurt, but I am enough to not want him out, especially after that pile on. Someone else said that there are probably hurts in said pile on, and I fully agree.
johnnyquicknives
Member
This isn't the first time you've asked and had this explained to you. We know it will likely detain a Rebel, throughout the game a lot of us will go that way. You need to think of it as a sacrifice that provides us knowledge in the long run. It might not help much on day 2 or day 3 (although it will be better than nothing) but further down the road it's vital to be able to look back at early days to try and spot voting patterns and track down inconsistencies.
For your point on Terra, in my eyes, it was just too risky a play, too early in the game. Obviously none of my opinions are said with anywhere near 100% certainty, but all of the arguments you have seen push him slightly more in that direction than other players which is enough for me to leave him alone for today.
They will at least try to kill someone whether we detain someone or not. So what happens on Day 2 if we don't detain? Power roles won't (and shouldn't) reveal until they have to or have enough information to feel it's worth the risk. So either we have nothing to go on or we risk sacrificing our own to gather some information.
Remember that we all win if Rebels win, alive or not. Sacrificing a few Rebels for information that could help secure a victory is worth the risk. Once again, check the AC mafia thread. They didn't evict and all agree it was a mistake.