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[Peterthumpa]

Sure, I just felt replying to that post (since he/she was wrong), because I feel being "retina" isn't a big deal anymore for quite a while and I also haven't heard people using that word for quite some time either. Since (low-mid end) Android phones have been 720p and up for a long time, "being retina" doesn't make people go "wow" anymore.

It's not about making people going "wow", it's about diminishing returns. Apple used the "Retina Display" term to exemplify that at that specific resolution, pixels were indistinguishable to the human eye at the standard usage distance of a phone / tablet, and the same point applies today.

Sure, you can buy your 2K or 4K phones nowadays and jump in the bullshit marketing bandwagon, but the fact is that, besides for VR usage, resolutions like these are completely pointless in such small screens. Even basic to average looking 3D games running on Android phones with such screen ppi's are not running in the screen's native resolution given the absurd and unnecessary amount of processing power / battery it would take to do so.

 

[go_straight]

I don't understand. How is it a good thing to force people who just want to play on their tv to buy an handheld and then even an extra accessory?
Apart from kinect and maybe a few others, we learned that extra accessories never really work in this market. Nintendo of course can sell a bundle with both handheld and dock but the majority of people aren't going to see this as a home console but, you know, as a handheld with a dock, and they want an home experience. To me this seems a great way to alienate part of your fanbase.
The home console doesn't even need to have different hardware, really. It could be a cheap console and the portable could be the premium version of the nx. People could play the same game at the same level on their platform of choice. It's nothing amazing but always better than a dock.

 

[Rich!]

I love how no one can predict what Nintendo will do. In the world of the samey boring predictions and eventual reality of the PS4 Neo and Xbox One S/scorpio, It's so fucking refreshing to have such a wildcard in the mix.

I'll be buying an NX day one. I don't give a fuck. I have a high end gaming PC, only Nintendo can seemingly give me something different. The 3DS is amazing, and despite its flaws, I love the Wii U. Bring it.

 

[Cow Mengde]

I don't get this post. Are you saying people don't carry tablets at all? Tablets that small?

You're not wrong that people carry 7+ inch tablets with them everywhere today, but if you travel a lot like me, you'll begin to miss how easy it was to just slip your GBC, GBA, DSL, and 3DS in and out of your pocket with ease. I travel a lot, and I always bring them with me. It feels a little clunkier to reach into your bag to dig out what you need.

Again, not a huge issue or even a deal breaker, but if you game on a go a lot, you'll notice the difference.

 

[L Thammy]

It will only be bought by balding dudes afraid to shave their head?

Your release schedule is starting to recede, but that's okay. You've still got handheld development. Let's spread that over here so that it doesn't look so bad.


Serious comment regarding the dock: why wouldn't Nintendo sell the thing separately if it was supposed to do the job that a separate console form NX would do?

 

[Dark Cloud]

I love how no one can predict what Nintendo will do.

In the world of the samey boring predictions and eventual reality of the PS4 Neo and Xbox One S/scorpio, It's so fucking refreshing to have such a wildcard in the mix.

I'll be buying an NX day one. I don't give a fuck. I have a high end gaming PC, only Nintendo can seemingly give me something different. The 3DS is amazing, and despite its flaws, I love the Wii U. Bring it.

This has been Nintendo for a long time. This is why I love them-not only their games. I love they're different and doing different things. Why would you even want 3 companies doing the exact same things? It's annoying when people cry for Nintendo to make a powerful console...for what? Nobody is all of a sudden going to buy third party games on it when they already have a PS4, XB1 or PC.

 

[Snakeyes]

I don't understand. How is it a good thing to force people who just want to play on their tv to buy an handheld and then even an extra accessory?

Been saying this since the rumor first broke. There's also the issue of certain control methods that are more suitable for the home and that Nintendo would want to standardize across the board being sold separately instead of being packed in with a home unit.

I still think there will be multiple SKUs, each with an interface and performance level optimized for the space they're supposed to occupy.

 

[Plinko]

The SCD patent is essentially what MS marketed as using the power of the cloud. It's meant to offload processes so older systems run like newer systems

Via Rosti

Right, but the dock could theoretically be replaced with more powerful CPU/GPUs to increase power when the screen is docked. The SCD patent could utilize that additional power.

 

[MuchoMalo]

I wouldn't go lower than that either, but what is the sustained clock of the Pixel C? I'm willing to bet it's not running at 850 Mhz all the time.

Maybe we can look at polygon throughput, though. Latte on Wii U does 1 poly/clock. Pascal does the same per raster engine, of which 256 shaders would have one. Now, someone with detailed knowledge of Nvidia's latest tessellation engine might be able to imagine some work arounds, but if they want to match polygon throughput with Wii U, they'd probably need to clock the GPU equal to Latte.

Based on the review I read, no throttling was noted through multiple consecutive benchmark runs.

Polygon throughput doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme, so I wouldn't even look at it personally.

I love how no one can predict what Nintendo will do. In the world of the samey boring predictions and eventual reality of the PS4 Neo and Xbox One S/scorpio, It's so fucking refreshing to have such a wildcard in the mix.

I'll be buying an NX day one. I don't give a fuck. I have a high end gaming PC, only Nintendo can seemingly give me something different. The 3DS is amazing, and despite its flaws, I love the Wii U. Bring it.

That's why I don't go to those threads much. There's nothing fun to speculate, even if there's an order of magnitude more excitement for them among gaffers.

 

[120v]

I don't understand. How is it a good thing to force people who just want to play on their tv to buy an handheld and then even an extra accessory?

They aren't forcing you to do anything. If you only want to play it as a home console then simply don't take it out of the dock

 

[eggandI]

I wonder if this Tegra chip will be powerful enough to get good ports from the PS4 Neo and Scorpio.

I want to play KH3 on the go

 

[Genio88]

I wonder if this Tegra chip will be powerful enough to get good ports from the PS4 Neo and Scorpio.

I want to play KH3 on the go

I really don't think it will be the case

 

[eifer]

1st party titles on the Wii U like SM3DW, MK8, and Splatoon are some of the best-designed games they've ever put out in their entire history. Zelda is looking to be as well.

Exactly, and they are like that without the aid of hardware gimmicks. There's no need for this hybrid over-complication. It's time they gave us a $250 box, with simple configuration and keep pushing out amazing 1st party games. When they overdo it with the hardware gimmicks, it must sap countless hours of dev time to accommodate the new functionality in their games. Forget that.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

I love how no one can predict what Nintendo will do. In the world of the samey boring predictions and eventual reality of the PS4 Neo and Xbox One S/scorpio, It's so fucking refreshing to have such a wildcard in the mix.

I'll be buying an NX day one. I don't give a fuck. I have a high end gaming PC, only Nintendo can seemingly give me something different. The 3DS is amazing, and despite its flaws, I love the Wii U. Bring it.

great post. It truly is refreshing. It's why I will always buy their products. They are always doing something fun or different. It's not always good, but it's fun nonetheless.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Exactly, and they are like that without the aid of hardware gimmicks. There's no need for this hybrid over-complication. It's time they gave us a $250 box, with simple configuration and keep pushing out amazing 1st party games. When they overdo it with the hardware gimmicks, it must sap countless hours of dev time to accommodate the new functionality in their games. Forget that.

Are you suggesting Splatoon didn't make heavy use of the gamepad?

 

[James Scott]

I don't understand. How is it a good thing to force people who just want to play on their tv to buy an handheld and then even an extra accessory?
Apart from kinect and maybe a few others, we learned that extra accessories never really work in this market. Nintendo of course can sell a bundle with both handheld and dock but the majority of people aren't going to see this as a home console but, you know, as a handheld with a dock, and they want an home experience. To me this seems a great way to alienate part of your fanbase.
The home console doesn't even need to have different hardware, really. It could be a cheap console and the portable could be the premium version of the nx. People could play the same game at the same level on their platform of choice. It's nothing amazing but always better than a dock.

It's a good idea because both the (considerably bigger) portable market and the Nintendo console market would buy one system and sell games to one audience. Much better than selling two SKUs, at least at this time especially if it's just a micro console like the PSTV. If Nintendo makes a game that requires the touch screen then you're shit out of luck and Nintendo can't sell that game to you (also happened with the Vita)

 

[Snakeyes]

They aren't forcing you to do anything. If you only want to play it as a home console then simply don't take it out of the dock

"They aren't forcing you to use the Wii U Gamepad when playing games. If you want a traditional control scheme, just buy a Pro Controller."

How did that one work out for them again?

 

[James Scott]

"They aren't forcing you to use the Wii U Gamepad when playing games. If you want a traditional control scheme, just buy a Pro Controller."

How did that one work out for them again?

The Wii U gamepad cost $100 to include and you couldn't take it outside of your house making it an expensive and weak home console. NX will be a very powerful handheld

 

[Ladekabel]

I really don't think it will be the case

Didn't a bish-certified gaffer say that the NX will run PS4/XBO games with little to no problem?

 

[Snakeyes]

I wonder if this Tegra chip will be powerful enough to get good ports from the PS4 Neo and Scorpio.

I want to play KH3 on the go

Neither of these consoles will have software that can only run on their more powerful hardware before the original PS4 and Xbox One are phased out.

 

[Yoshi]

And it's especially silly since portable owners already put their 3ds/vita in their bags to begin with. This isn't some new reality folks, we've been doing it this way forever now. If the NX is around the size of a tablet or small laptop or large phone, it will be just as portable as any other electronic device currently on the market that people carry with them all the time already.

I always carry my 3DS or my Vita in my pocket. Always the right pocket. I usually don't carry a bag.

 

[Mpl90]

Emily's 2x Wii U remarks are eerily reminiscent of Ideaman posts from the WUSTs, where we heard "2x Xbox 360." His justification was that he saw current gen games running with a completely different PoV on the Gamepad. Just goes to show you how things can be interpreted by different people. We don't know if she actually has the specs sheet or anything like that. Maybe she saw Zelda running at 60 fps or heard that it displays in 1080p when docked.

What actual specs could be 2x?

• Definitely certain CPU tasks (SIMD processing)
• RAM should be at least 4 GB and double the bandwidth of Wii U's DDR3

GPU floating point performance I am still not willing to make a guess on. We don't have a good comparison with Tegra running on a 6" device and that's going to make a huge difference with heat dissipation vs the Pixel C's larger chassis. We don't know the materials it's built with either.

We do know that Nintendo have a history of aggressively underclocking to reduce power draw (the very old architecture of the new 3DS was only fully unleashed when shrunk to 28nm, and only the CPU at that). Of course, optimizations for fp16 add another wrinkle into our estimations. All of that aside, this machine sounds quite promising based on what we're hearing.

As stated earlier in the thread, it was clarified by guek

Emily is not a tech aficionado so when she says something like 2x more powerful than Wii U, keep in mind it's likely how it was described to her rather than her taking some information and giving an informed estimate.

Last I spoke to her, she reiterated that last she heard, it'll be near enough to XB1 to the point that ports should be feasible. She doesn't have any concrete benchmarks to work off of though.

EDIT: Even further, while answering to MuchoMalo

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215213283&postcount=2191

I'm just saying that NX will be, at the bare minimum, 2 times more powerful than Wii U. I'm not saying 2x Wii U is the ceiling.

And the only reason I made that point was to emphasize on a point regarding resolution.

 

[Snakeyes]

The Wii U gamepad cost $100 to include and you couldn't take it outside of your house.

To someone that will keep the unit docked all the time, being able to take the system out of the house wouldn't be a selling point or added value.

 

[Neoxon]

I wonder if this Tegra chip will be powerful enough to get good ports from the PS4 Neo and Scorpio.

I want to play KH3 on the go

Nope, but both will still be hamstrung by the fact that devs can't make Neo/Scorpio-exclusives right now.

 

[James Scott]

I wonder if this Tegra chip will be powerful enough to get good ports from the PS4 Neo and Scorpio.

I want to play KH3 on the go

You'll only need to look at PS4/Xbox One for now. It'll be more doable than before but it'll likely be limited to certain titles like DQXI. Depending on how that port looks NX might be able to get KH3

 

[eifer]

Are you suggesting Splatoon didn't make heavy use of the gamepad?

You don't need a hybrid console with a tablet screen in the middle to have a motion sensor in your controller. Even PS4 has a motion sensor. Hell, so does the 3ds. I wouldn't call that a gimmick at this point, I'd call that standard hardware.

 

[James Scott]

To someone that will keep the unit docked all the time, being able to take the system out of the house wouldn't be a selling point or added value.

But it's a selling point to others. And as I added to the post:
Wii U=weak and expensive home console
NX=powerful and *affordable portable console.
In terms of image it's a fairly big difference.


*according to that one source and Nintendo's words

 

[120v]

"They aren't forcing you to use the Wii U Gamepad when playing games. If you want a traditional control scheme, just buy a Pro Controller."

How did that one work out for them again?

I'm not clear how it's even possible to "force" players to play the thing as a portable.

except for mobile exclusives perhaps but why would you want to play those on a TV anyway

 

[Genio88]

I love how no one can predict what Nintendo will do. In the world of the samey boring predictions and eventual reality of the PS4 Neo and Xbox One S/scorpio, It's so fucking refreshing to have such a wildcard in the mix.

I'll be buying an NX day one. I don't give a fuck. I have a high end gaming PC, only Nintendo can seemingly give me something different. The 3DS is amazing, and despite its flaws, I love the Wii U. Bring it.

Same for me, I also have a beasty PC and Xbox One, though I love my 3DS and I couldn't see me without a Nintendo Handheld for their "crazy" games, different situation with WiiU instead, i'm no more into Nintendo home console, that's why i'm even more excited for NX being both a handheld and home console at the same time, which should make its line up insane if you think that we could get for example all the games we got on 3DS and WiiU so far in one console

 

[Deleted member 752119]

You're not wrong that people carry 7+ inch tablets with them everywhere today, but if you travel a lot like me, you'll begin to miss how easy it was to just slip your GBC, GBA, DSL, and 3DS in and out of your pocket with ease. I travel a lot, and I always bring them with me. It feels a little clunkier to reach into your bag to dig out what you need.

Again, not a huge issue or even a deal breaker, but if you game on a go a lot, you'll notice the difference.

True, but you're part of a mostly dead market, at least in the west.

Even most of us adult gamers are fine just doing gaming, or other things like reading, Facebook/Twitter, surfing the net etc., on our phones/tablets when out and about or traveling.

So they really shouldn't limit themselves too much (i.e. underpowered as a result of needing to be small) by focusing on making the device small and portable when the bulk of the western gaming market, which is far bigger than the Japanese market, will just use it at home docked to the TV 95% of the time.

 

[blu]

I wouldn't go lower than that either, but what is the sustained clock of the Pixel C? I'm willing to bet it's not running at 850 Mhz all the time.

Maybe we can look at polygon throughput, though. Latte on Wii U does 1 poly/clock. Pascal does the same per raster engine, of which 256 shaders would have one. Now, someone with detailed knowledge of Nvidia's latest tessellation engine might be able to imagine some work arounds, but if they want to match polygon throughput with Wii U, they'd probably need to clock the GPU equal to Latte.

Just to clarify that Storm is talking here of triangle setup rate.

 

[Fourth Storm]

Based on the review I read, no throttling was noted through multiple consecutive benchmark runs.

Polygon throughput doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme, so I wouldn't even look at it personally.

Anandtech describes 850 Mhz as the "peak" clock rate in their review. Also, from the graphics benchmarks I saw there, there weren't any that figured in 6 hours of sustained performance. If I'm mistaken, and there is evidence of this, I'd be eager to see, as it would aid our discussion. For now, I'm not making any bets either way. If NX winds up being clocked to the stratosphere, I'll jump for joy.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9972/the-google-pixel-c-review/3

As stated earlier in the thread, it was clarified by guek

Thanks for passing this on. Pretty much what I was thinking.

Just to clarify that Storm is talking here of triangle setup rate.

Thanks blu. Are Nvidia's "rasterized polygons" a good point of comparison to AMD's then?

 

[Neoxon]

Exactly, and they are like that without the aid of hardware gimmicks. There's no need for this hybrid over-complication. It's time they gave us a $250 box, with simple configuration and keep pushing out amazing 1st party games. When they overdo it with the hardware gimmicks, it must sap countless hours of dev time to accommodate the new functionality in their games. Forget that.

That's the point of the NX. You wouldn't get games like Pokémon (or at least not mainline games) with just a home console. The NX is meant to pull all of Nintendo's efforts into one platform.

 

[Genio88]

Didn't a bish-certified gaffer say that the NX will run PS4/XBO games with little to no problem?

I hope so, though so far I don't think there are official granted information about that, and if I had to guess based on the NX rumored Nvidia Tegra architecture, which is pretty different from the PS4/XB1 AMD ones, and the history for Nintendo third parties support, i'd say that besides perhaps a few downgraded ports here and there we won't see a lot of multiplatform on NX too, and I actually don't care having already PC and XB1, what I want from NX is Nintendo games and third party exclusive experience designed to take advantage of NX different features

 

[Rodin]

Emily's 2x Wii U remarks are eerily reminiscent of Ideaman posts from the WUSTs, where we heard "2x Xbox 360." His justification was that he saw current gen games running with a completely different PoV on the Gamepad. Just goes to show you how things can be interpreted by different people. We don't know if she actually has the specs sheet or anything like that. Maybe she saw Zelda running at 60 fps or heard that it displays in 1080p when docked.

What actual specs could be 2x?

• Definitely certain CPU tasks (SIMD processing)
• RAM should be at least 4 GB and double the bandwidth of Wii U's DDR3

GPU floating point performance I am still not willing to make a guess on. We don't have a good comparison with Tegra running on a 6" device and that's going to make a huge difference with heat dissipation vs the Pixel C's larger chassis. We don't know the materials it's built with either.

We do know that Nintendo have a history of aggressively underclocking to reduce power draw (the very old architecture of the new 3DS was only fully unleashed when shrunk to 28nm, and only the CPU at that). Of course, optimizations for fp16 add another wrinkle into our estimations. All of that aside, this machine sounds quite promising based on what we're hearing.

Actually, she clarified that:

I'm just saying that NX will be, at the bare minimum, 2 times more powerful than Wii U. I'm not saying 2x Wii U is the ceiling.

And the only reason I made that point was to emphasize on a point regarding resolution.

And then she even removed the "2x".

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

Actually, she clarified that:

And then she even removed the "2x".

Oh man. I can't wait for the "two Wii U's duct-taped together posts."

Spoiler

although in hindsight, that actually seemed to be a generous estimate for the Wii--and I loved the Wii

 

[ozfunghi]

Emily's 2x Wii U remarks are eerily reminiscent of Ideaman posts from the WUSTs, where we heard "2x Xbox 360."

He based his remarks on RAM and Gamepad.

Also i was looking for this:

EDIT: Even further, while answering to MuchoMalo

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=215213283&postcount=2191

I'm just saying that NX will be, at the bare minimum, 2 times more powerful than Wii U. I'm not saying 2x Wii U is the ceiling.

Thanks for that, Mpl90, i couldn't find it.

 

[Milly Osworth]

I wonder how much this thing will weigh. The WiiU controller is already pretty heavy, now imagine an actual gaming device being in there.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I wonder how much this thing will weigh. The WiiU controller is already pretty heavy, now imagine an actual gaming device being in there.

People already hold comparatively large iPads without a problem; I don't think weight will be an issue

 

[Rich!]

I wonder how much this thing will weigh. The WiiU controller is already pretty heavy, now imagine an actual gaming device being in there.

The Wii u gamepad is mostly empty space.

Really

 

[Oregano]

The Wii U gameplay is super light IMO, especially in comparison to the 3DS XL.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

That's the point of the NX. You wouldn't get games like Pokémon (or at least not mainline games) with just a home console. The NX is meant to pull all of Nintendo's efforts into one platform.

I'm not sure what exactly the NX hardware will end up being, or if and what different SKUs may be planned. Ultimately I think everyone agrees that unifying the software library is good, but making one fit all hardware isn't good. I think we've learned that the hardware that works in one region, may not work in another.

 

[majik13]

They could make it so that the d-pad on the left half acts as another set of face buttons when detached from the screen.

Yeah this is what I am thinking if this whole 2 player setup idea is real. You dont really lose much in just using a dpad like face buttons. But it really depends on how they design those buttons.

The only issue I see is neither controller would actually have a dpad for the left hand. So side scrollers and VC games could be challenging.

I really hope nintendo doesnt make big compromise s to their controller just ao they can achieve this idea.

 

[diaspora]

I'm not sure what exactly the NX hardware will end up being, or if and what different SKUs may be planned. Ultimately I think everyone agrees that unifying the software library is good, but making one fit all hardware isn't good. I think we've learned that the hardware that works in one region, may not work in another.

The disappointment comes from the realization that if the handheld NX is all there is, it's the death of any hope for a console that doesn't have tire-fire hardware.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Yeah this is what I am thinking if this whole 2 player setup idea is real. You dont really lose much in just using a dpad like face buttons. But it really depends on how they design those buttons.

The only issue I see is neither controller would actually have a dpad for the left hand. So side scrollers and VC games could be challenging.

I really hope nintendo doesnt make big compromise s to their controller just ao they can achieve this idea.

There's always the prospect of a 'real dpad' replacement controller half if they go down that route.

 

[Mpl90]

Didn't a bish-certified gaffer say that the NX will run PS4/XBO games with little to no problem?

You know, I guess it's time to re-post my collection of all the tidbits we have had about the performance of the device, including the new updates / clarifications on Emily Rogers' statements.

____________________________________________________________________

WSJ: Nintendo Begins Distributing Software Kit for New NX Platform | October 16th, 2015

http://www.wsj.com/articles/nintendo...orm-1444996588

The exact shape of the NX hardware isn’t yet clear. People familiar with the development plans said Nintendo would likely include both a console and at least one mobile unit that could either be used in conjunction with the console or taken on the road for separate use. They also said Nintendo would aim to put industry-leading chips in the NX devices, after criticism that the Wii U’s capabilities didn’t match those of competitors.

Corollary While at start that description sounded like the ecosystem concept, right now it seems it was more an indication of the hybrid concept, given the "both a console and at least one mobile unit" tidbit. On the subject of "industry-leading chips", the article's author, WSJ's Mochizuki, went a bit deeper in response to a message from Nintengen's Trevelyan / SuperMetalDave64

http://wccftech.com/nintendos-nx-wil...e-pc-hardware/

Hello David,
The quick answer is “I don’t know.” Sorry!
-Several people who said who have seen a demo said what they saw is impossible to run on a computer without a “industry-leading” or “cutting-edge” chips. Cutting-edge in what way, they refused to elaborate.
-And an important thing to remember, probably you know well already, is that chip specs won’t be finalized until much closer date to the release.
hope this helps, and plz ask me follow-up questions if you have.
thanks,
mochi

"Industry-leading" and "cutting-edge" can have different meanings. Tegra X1 / the next Pascal iteration are, indeed, cutting-edge components in the mobile markets. Possible explanations (already mentioned back then) about the demo itself "not running well on the computer" deal with the difficulty of Vulkan API being involved (at the time, it was still not publically released), which means bruteforcing the content on a computer result in less than ideal results.

Some posts from GAF's LCGeek | April 4th, 2016 and onwards

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php...&postcount=786


I've stated before and since any specs were revealed this gen most would have shitty cpus this turned out to be true, so to be fair my own perspective is skewed.

amd 8350 stock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NX>>>>> X1 >> PS4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wii U. All 3 of big 3 manufacturers got this issue wrong, yet I know next gen 2 of them won't cause they tend to do a decent job. Nintendo isn't impressing anyone.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php...&postcount=746

Shitty cpu is all I'm telling since that's all I tend to get the skinny on. The rest was typical hearsay that's been rolling around. I think nintendo could do better on ram and cpu the system would be golden. When it comes to the hardware I'm vouching for it.

The rest like sdk and online is hearsay considering some could have better versions than others. I think it's lacking, have said as much on nintendo platforms before and not a single source people publically have access too or myself can get a clear picture. That alone is a red flag and it should be called out. Whether it's the performance or the UI of online nintendo it's still not good. No one hides anything good, there's little reason too unless you're nintendo.

MS took it on the chin for all the BS of X1 its time people with far more precise knowledge start shitting on nintendo in my opinion, but they can't cause NDAs. This company secrecy gambit shit has run out my paitence considering it's backfired for 4 gens. Hide games history has been clear on gimmicks they do little to help out in the long run. This one area not rumoring it and after the controller thread I figure I will do something real to steer the discussion where it should go. That's a real point to harp on nintendo with and guess what anyone asking to verify what I mentioned won't get a single straight answer from nintendo cause they know it's fact.

Corollary LCGeek has posted in more recent months about what she saw / says to know. A post on June 2nd

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php...postcount=2900

Other more prominent details are not wise been warned as much on various levels. Most people have a direct clue already though, good luck narrowing down the rest. Until launch my details are pretty much sealed, which is where some of my ire is coming from I want to talk another few months just ain't my cup of tea.

Stated it multiple times yes and it's old at this point which can skew my perspective. Not only that not all SDKs are equal.

Easy and friendly are one thing nuance and depth is another. Nintendo has something which is a lot better than almost 2 generations of nothing.

I'm not I would need something the dream team has or more complete. Not only that I don't trust specs with more than 6 plus months before launch considering what nintendo pulled on the Wii. When I get my own units to view retail or dev I will talk same for any promotionals.

Then, her comments on the recent EuroGamer articles / Pascal leak

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.p...#post211471137

So I wake up this morning to this, been working and doing chores mostly just can't ignore now...........

First malo gets some credit for being accurate. With that being said no I'm not backing down on cpu comments as I was talking about power performance not what chipset it's using. What should be mentioned is that the nvidia rumor in may were far more accurate than what we are hearing about amd's supposed involvement. AMD rumors are not mine and have never been mine, I'm still skeptical and even more skeptical about sku considering it seems to be a mishmash of exotic parts which I called out in private messages to two other gaffers.

I'm still waiting for some to explain the porting rumors cause while it's clear to me some of the tech in the device is no slouch its paper specs can't make a full claim it's better than X1, performance is another matter depending on what nintendo is actually using. Seems nintendo is vastly upgrading their networking tech and I won't name certain gaffer names but whoever was talking about the streaming tech being a big feature they are more accurate than anyone else I've seen in general talking about this system. Powerwise until nintendo puts a damn retail unit out and we can examine I don't care to talk about it that much except to say it will be definitely not be a power monster and far more efficient/feature rich console, which even for nintendo is a stepup for WiiU.

If people want to step on me just go back to certain threads most was hypothetical talk I never moved off my own goal posts or my own actual ideas I just commented on the clear crap that has yet to pan out. For one side of the debate, you may want to investigate if nintendo is doing multiple skus at this point it's either that or they literally just decided what they are going with, which is a danger I warned about.. Emily has been semi accurate on some parts and dead wrong on others, but I do wish to know what the port talk was about if the performance isn't gonna be there. Cause that alone is just straight talking out the ass as we still don't know what devs and what games those comments were being based on.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.p...#post211860132

Nate is legit on these things. Not saying this as a reference to myself, but so are others. Let things come together nintendo is pulling at people right now and I think they are liking what they see.

I shat on when I leaked certain cpu details I wasn't suppose to. It's a lot better than initial concept, I know it doesn't please everyone but nintendo is actively wanting this machine to be solid and that reminds me of when they built n64 or gc vs the last two machines.

Emily Rogers' article about NX's power | May 13th, 2016

https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2...3/so-about-nx/

After speaking to seven different people this week, I can say with confidence that this is false. NX is not using x86 architecture like PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. The NX has special, custom-made chips and the overall design of the hardware is very modern. The chips are industry leading because they are very modern chips, but having modern chips doesn’t necessarily mean Nintendo is aiming to create the most powerful hardware on the market. Furthermore, any NX rumors on “Polaris chips” and “Polaris architecture” are all wacky. There’s a good reason why those rumors are wacky.

In terms of raw power, numerous sources tell me that NX is much closer to Xbox One than PlayStation 4. Even that might be stretching it a tiny bit. Anyone who is claiming that NX is “two times the power of PS4 GPU” is being misled by their sources. Based on what I’ve heard, I don’t believe the NX will compete directly with PS4 (Neo) / PS4K in raw power.

There will be plenty of debates over the NX’s specs because it’s not simple to directly compare two apples (with x86 architecture) to an orange (that doesn’t use x86 architecture). But everything that I’ve heard (so far) indicates that NX isn’t going to blow away any of the consoles on the market today…except for Wii U.

Corollary Around the time the EG's two-parter feature dropped, Emily Rogers clarified on the comparison with Xbox One and PS4 on Twitter

Emily Rogers ‏@ArcadeGirl64 26 lug
@real154CHI No, I never used the words "On par with Xbox One". I said it was closer to Xbox 1 than PS4. Not on par with XB1.

Emily Rogers ‏@ArcadeGirl64 26 lug
@real154CHI I used the term "Even that might be stretching it a bit" to emphasize that I wasn't confident in it reaching XB1 levels of power

So, her sources used a (bit confusing, given how most - me included - interpretated it at first) wording to say that NX < One < PS4, with the gap between NX and One possibly bigger, but with a strong certainty that NX >>> Wii U (even if, again, comparing different architectures isn't completely fair, especially when comparing NX to PS4 and One).

Brand new updates Recently, Emily posted a blog entry where she answered to a mail about her recent tweets on the screen resolution. At first, she stated that NX is "at least 2x more powerful than the Wii U, possibly more". Later, she modified that phrase and now it is "The NX is more powerful than what the Wii U can currently offer.". Also, she said the following to MuchoMalo

I'm just saying that NX will be, at the bare minimum, 2 times more powerful than Wii U. I'm not saying 2x Wii U is the ceiling.

And the only reason I made that point was to emphasize on a point regarding resolution.

Before her answer, guek posted another clarification, about what Emily heard

Emily is not a tech aficionado so when she says something like 2x more powerful than Wii U, keep in mind it's likely how it was described to her rather than her taking some information and giving an informed estimate.

Last I spoke to her, she reiterated that last she heard, it'll be near enough to XB1 to the point that ports should be feasible. She doesn't have any concrete benchmarks to work off of though.

OsirisBlack on PS4/Xbox One ports | May 14th, 2016

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.p...#post203600121

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.p...#post203631027

Nintendo will be fine.

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To add context to my previous post (I was asked via PM) without going into too much detail any game that runs on the XB1 or PS4 should run on the NX with little to no issue. What developers choose to or not to port to the console will more than likely depend on consumer support for the thing.

Corollary This is, currently, the most direct reference to the console being able to run "any game on PS4 and One" with "little to no issue". However, this was stated before the hybrid rumours hit, even if it was stated in the same thread about the just mentioned piece of rumour from Emily Rogers. While it's very direct, the alleged nature of the device makes it one of the most interesting statements on the matter in several ways.
Update Emily Roger's new "clarified" statement fits pretty well with what OsirisBlack said back then.

EG's feature mentioning Tegra and fans | July 26th, 2016

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...y-nvidia-tegra

Nvidia is providing the core technology that powers Nintendo's next generation NX console. Multiple sources have confirmed that the new machine is based around Nvidia's mobile-orientated Tegra processor, with development kits currently using the Tegra X1 chip found in the Shield Android TV console and the Google Pixel C tablet.

There's an additional wrinkle to the story too, albeit one we should treat with caution as it is single-source in nature with a lot of additional speculation on our part. This relates to the idea that the Tegra X1 in the NX development hardware is apparently actively cooled, with audible fan noise. With that in mind, we can't help but wonder whether X1 is the final hardware we'll see in the NX. Could it actually be a placeholder for Tegra X2? It's a new mobile processor Nvidia has in its arsenal and what's surprising about it is how little we actually know about it.

ShockingAlberto's PM to maxcriden | July 26th, 2016

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php...postcount=1586

Originally Posted by maxcriden

In case any of you doubt the veracity of our own ShockingAlberto as a source, here is a PM I received from him yesterday evening.

I am like

99% sure on this one. Eurogamer's story is in two parts and they should cover it, too. I am not going to say anything about it because I honestly don't want to deal with the fallout if I am wrong somehow. You can be my sealed envelope on this.

- Hybrid; it's a handheld with a TV docking station.
- Carts, around 16-32 GB.
- Nintendo-made OS, not Android.
- Retailers are being shown soon, so expect pre-orders to be around when they reveal, if not that day.
- Around Xbox One in power.
- Base station will come with it
- Nvidia is doing the internals

He has given me permission to now post this. He also wanted me to mention nothing is confirmed until Nintendo confirms it.

Corollary Later, Shocking Alberto himself posted in the thread about it in order to give a better explanation on the "around Xbox One level" point of the rumour's list from his source.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.p...#post211725822

That is what I have heard, that is not what I guarantee.

I am not a tech guy, my definition of what "around Xbox One in power" means is probably different from, I dunno, Durante's. It's more than Wii U, less than PS4, that's the only range I'm particularly comfortable with assuming.
So, the specs can give different impressions to different people (this could also be interpreted as the difficulty of "comparing apples to oranges").

MCV: NX potentially "much cheaper than expected" + graphical "impressions" | July 27th and more

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ninte...rtable/0170297

Price
Early online speculation about pricing for the NX expects it to be cheaper than current consoles, but from what we’ve heard it’s going to be cheaper than even the vast majority expect. This is a machine that is targeting the mass market, and Nintendo certainly plans for it to have a mass market price. Price is one Wii U mistake Nintendo is determined not to repeat. This could be NX's single biggest win.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/nx-wi...claims/0170377

MCV has not been able to confirm what chipset will be used, although we do understand that Nintendo is prioritising price when it comes to NX development, which leans toward a version of Tegra 1. Our source claimed that the games they had played, to their eyes, visually seemed perhaps ahead of PS3, but not approaching PS4 standards.

A price point was also speculated, although this was based on assumptions from presentation statements and not on firm numbers from Nintendo. The figure, however, was far cheaper than any recent console launch price.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pok-m...ine-up/0170678

Game graphics will be ‘somewhere between a PS3 and PS4’, with Nintendo targeting an audience that sits between smartphone gamers and the more hardcore users of PS4 and Xbox One.

DirectFeedGames's Twitter account (GAF's NateDrake) states it'll be a Pascal-based chip | July 29th, 2016

https://twitter.com/directfeedgames/...72574777196544

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Since it is being discussed elsewhere, I can say with confidence that Nvidia will announce a Pascal Tegra chip for NX.

lherre chimes in on the "dock theory" | August 4th - 5th, 2016

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php...postcount=2429

Well my disappointment was about power too (if my sources are true) since you can't have a PS4 or XB1 on a HH device as you can guess. Obviously for a HH is a good power but very far for a home console. But I repeat if the sources are true since everything is not set in stone.

In fact I didn't heard anything about different modes (i mean that when docked anything changes). So for a home console I see that power (if true) a great disappointment.

But I understand that for Nintendo it's the best scenario since they are unable to maintain 2 consoles at the same time when they changed to HD development as we saw with 3ds/Wiiu.

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In case you want me to include more references or to correct tidbits among what I've already posted, there's no problem in reporting it. I hope it can be helpful for a more informed conversation (reminder: this is a mix of articles from major publications and posts from insiders / "messengers" with good-to-great track record, so take what's in this post with the right grain of salt).

 

[Hilarion]

The disappointment comes from the realization that if the handheld NX is all there is, it's the death of any hope for a console that doesn't have tire-fire hardware.

Whatever, this gives me the perfect opportunity to go handheld-only finally and never have to worry about having to have a TV around. Handhelds are just a far better gaming ecosystem than consoles.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

You don't need a hybrid console with a tablet screen in the middle to have a motion sensor in your controller. Even PS4 has a motion sensor. Hell, so does the 3ds. I wouldn't call that a gimmick at this point, I'd call that standard hardware.

The only thing that used the screen was squid jumping, and that could be done with a couple buttons. Hold one of the unused face buttons to overlay the map, tap a D-Pad direction to decide which teammate you jump to. Release the button to shrink the map back to the corner.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I'm not sure what exactly the NX hardware will end up being, or if and what different SKUs may be planned. Ultimately I think everyone agrees that unifying the software library is good, but making one fit all hardware isn't good. I think we've learned that the hardware that works in one region, may not work in another.

That doesn't mean it's only going to be one hardware though. I like to think of this as a refresh button except this time games can play between systems (probably only so far ahead like iPhones with their games).
NX = NES
NX2 = SNES and so on

The NX isn't the end all for Nintendo.

They could do a iPhone 6 = NX, then a iPhone 6S = SCD sometime later. Just me spitballing, but I don't even know what they thing is so yeah...

 

[richman555]

I think it will most likely be a phone size or tablet form factor. There is so much emphasis on touch screens and cameras etc at this time.

That being said, I am not sure its better for gaming, but its what people are used to right now.

Coincidentally, I just spent an evening with my nephews walking around the neighborhood playing Pokemon Go... and their level of excitement for that game rivals all others. The sad irony though is that they had to use my $700 iPhone to play the game.