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Project Scorpio to be shown off next week according to Jez C... (READ MOD POST)

digoutyoursoul

digoutyoursoul

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AmyS said:
Yes, it is all about games, that is true. But games have to run on capable hardware, so it starts with that. great hardware makes possible greater games :)
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I don't think you understand what Scorpio is, it's what Pro is to PS4, not a system with its own standalone library.
 
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SneakersSO

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AmyS said:
Yes, it is all about games, that is true. But games have to run on capable hardware, so it starts with that. great hardware makes possible greater games :)
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Yeahhhhhh, except thats not really true - great games are great onto themselves. Zelda BotW is literally a perfect encapsulation of this point; one of the greatest, most refreshing game experiences of all time, running on gaming hardware which can't even properly output the game to 1080p and can't run it at over 30fps. Expecting games to just be better because its on strong hardware is just nonsensical, and has never been true. If it were, early game graphical showcases in several generations would be remembered as some of the greatest games ever, when they are more often then not thought of as launch fodder.
 
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RoKKeR

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SneakersSO said:
There is no separate event prior to E3 - we'll get price & launch date at E3. The reason we're getting these early looks & spec deep dives is specifically because a separate event pre-E3 isn't in the cards.
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Are you able to back up "this week" then? I generally think this is a better idea than a dedicated pre-E3 event for a console that is essentially their answer to the Pro... we know how that event went.
 
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AmyS

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digoutyoursoul said:
I don't think you understand what Scorpio is, it's what Pro is to PS4, not a system with its own standalone library.
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SneakersSO said:
Yeahhhhhh, except thats not really true - great games are great onto themselves. Zelda BotW is literally a perfect encapsulation of this point; one of the greatest, most refreshing game experiences of all time, running on gaming hardware which can't even properly output the game to 1080p and can't run it at over 30fps. Expecting games to just be better because its on strong hardware is just nonsensical, and has never been true. If it were, early game graphical showcases in several generations would be remembered as some of the greatest games ever, when they are more often then not thought of as launch fodder.
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I know what Scorpio is, and isn't, in terms of its place as a console. It's not replacing Xbox One, it's like PS4 Pro but more powerful.

In my post, I was talking about hardware & software/games, in general, guys.
 
SenkiDala

SenkiDala

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SneakersSO said:
Yeahhhhhh, except thats not really true - great games are great onto themselves. Zelda BotW is literally a perfect encapsulation of this point; one of the greatest, most refreshing game experiences of all time, running on gaming hardware which can't even properly output the game to 1080p and can't run it at over 30fps. Expecting games to just be better because its on strong hardware is just nonsensical, and has never been true. If it were, early game graphical showcases in several generations would be remembered as some of the greatest games ever, when they are more often then not thought of as launch fodder.
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That's true now, but it's also true that a long time ago good looking games were very often the bests. Mario 64, Halo, Shenmue, FFVII, Soulcalibur, Resident Evil, Resident Evil 4, Half Life 1 & 2, etc, all those games were technically the top of the top at their time, and also so awesome games on so many other level. But it's true that now good engines are avalaible for everybody (for exemple UE4), so it doesn't mean good graphics = good game.
 
VlaudTheImpaler

VlaudTheImpaler

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SneakersSO said:
Yeahhhhhh, except thats not really true - great games are great onto themselves. Zelda BotW is literally a perfect encapsulation of this point; one of the greatest, most refreshing game experiences of all time, running on gaming hardware which can't even properly output the game to 1080p and can't run it at over 30fps. Expecting games to just be better because its on strong hardware is just nonsensical, and has never been true. If it were, early game graphical showcases in several generations would be remembered as some of the greatest games ever, when they are more often then not thought of as launch fodder.
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Yup, this is why remasters don't sell at all...

Or better graphics cards...

Or... you get my point.
 
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Xumbrega

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I think the France guy is saying no to the actual box reveal.. but that we already know that isn't going to happen that week, maybe just miscommunication
 
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Prologue

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Hopefully they update some of their exclusives too. Give people an incentive if they didnt play them already like sunset overdrive.
 
Colbert

Colbert

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xdr said:
Yes, it's what I'm expecting too, a bit of gameplay (probably Forza 7), a bit of specs, and that's it for now. For the real console reveal they'll have a special event I guess.
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Assuming they talk about the hardware in some detail next week the only missing pieces for a complete reveal are:
- complete list of specs and capabilities (some of it will be available next week)
- the box itself with shiny animations and pictures (shiny)
- the name of the damn box (Xbox One S if somebody asks me)
- the price ($499 if somebody asks me)

And thats it.

The last 3 bullet points (and the first too) can easily be done at E3 2017 at the beginning of the E3 press conference with a little video as the header. And then games, games, games all demonstrated in shiny 4K HDR (at least for the audience).
 
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mrklaw

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MosquitoSmasher said:
Shit I hope so, otherwise all this excitement and happiness has been for nothing. :( but that would mean both Jez and Shinobi602 have received false info. Bit hard to believe.

As for FH3 in 4K. The X1 version is already at 1080p/30fps, why wouldn't the Scorpio be able to handle it at 4K/60fps? Is 4K really such a resource hog then?
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Scorpio at 6TF is about 4x the performance of XB1. 4K is 4x the pixels of 1080p - that's all your extra power gone in an instant just for the higher resolution. 60fps would be another 2x which simply isn't available.

I hope they'll resist trying to play one-upmanship and have 'native 4k' purely as a bulletpointl I'd rather they use a form of reconstruction to get a high quality 4k output without using up all the extra performance, and then increase other aspects like lighting, shadows, world detail etc.
 
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SneakersSO

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VlaudTheImpaler said:
Yup, this is why remasters don't sell at all...

Or better graphics cards...

Or... you get my point.
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Didn't say an advancement of technology isn't a thing or even unimportant - the fact that hardware generations do move forward & are adopted continuously are a reality of this industry. What does that have to do with remasters or better graphics cards? The fact is, time & again, we see that great games exist regardless of whether or not they are being pushed forth with the latest/greatest technology. Great games are what keep this industry afloat, not the platforms that they are running on.

I'm not claiming BotW would/should run on a gameboy here, but it is true that the pillars that make that game so remarkable are literally taken wholesale from the original Legend of Zelda, a NES game, and just because the Switch or Wii U aren't leading technological showcases hasn't prevented that game one iota from being this industry-leading experience that it turned out to be.

xdr said:
That's true now, but it's also true that a long time ago good looking games were very often the bests. Mario 64, Halo, Shenmue, FFVII, Soulcalibur, Resident Evil, Resident Evil 4, Half Life 1 & 2, etc, all those games were technically the top of the top at their time, and also so awesome games on so many other level. But it's true that now good engines are avalaible for everybody (for exemple UE4), so it doesn't mean good graphics = good game.
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I mean, you named a lot of games that were literally at the head of their class when it came to technological innovations and in some cases are leaps that we neither have, nor ever will, see a similar leap in this industry again. We probably won't see an innovation like the introduction of 3D graphics in the console space ( which bore us classics like FFVII & SM64), high-fidelity physics (which bore us Half-Life 2), or the conversion of a genre from 1 medium to another (Halo basically writing the bible for FPS in the console space, a genre which was almost exclusive to the PC prior to it).

It's a good thing though, cause now a days we have to rely more on the game & its design or its design execution to amaze us instead of just technological innovation.
 
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Cartho

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MosquitoSmasher said:
As for FH3 in 4K. The X1 version is already at 1080p/30fps, why wouldn't the Scorpio be able to handle it at 4K/60fps? Is 4K really such a resource hog then?
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Yes, it really is. 4K 60 is very taxing even for very expensive PC setups, all of which have extremely powerful CPUs and more powerful GPUs than 6TF.
 
digoutyoursoul

digoutyoursoul

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AmyS said:
I know what Scorpio is, and isn't, in terms of its place as a console. It's not replacing Xbox One, it's like PS4 Pro but more powerful.

In my post, I was talking about hardware & software/games, in general, guys.
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I was initially talking about how minuscule they have been in terms of talking or announcing new games, three new major game announcements since August 2015 at Gamescom, two Zomie games, another Forza Horizon which was the third entry in four years. I don't think that's good enough or enough to build any positive momentum but that's just me.

I'm not liking their attitude or strategy to first party and as much as a Xbox fan I am, the Scorpio hype train can happily pass me by at the moment as I'm not forking out more money for a more powerful Xbox One with the attitude they have to the most important thing, the games.
 
VlaudTheImpaler

VlaudTheImpaler

tl;dr
SneakersSO said:
Didn't say an advancement of technology isn't a thing - the fact that hardware generations do move forward & are adopted continuously are a reality of this industry. What does that have to do with remasters or better graphics cards? The fact is, time & again, we see that great games exist regardless of whether or not they are being pushed forth with the latest/greatest technology. Great games are what keep this industry afloat, not the platforms that they are running on.
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Because what the poster was saying was,

AmyS said:
Yes, it is all about games, that is true. But games have to run on capable hardware, so it starts with that. great hardware makes possible greater games :)
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For a lot of people better framerate, resolution, effects, textures, and all that visual jazz absolutely does elevate a game in their minds while playing. Doesn't mean the base game was bad. Just means that the enhanced game is better to them.

I game on PC for this very reason. Because I like the entire package of story, gameplay and graphics if I can have it. And I don't only play newer games either. PC enhancements allow me to play the best versions of games like DDDA and Souls so that I have to deal with as little jank as possible thus elevating the experience with the game as a whole for me. This is especially seen in games that I have already played on console or if you are already playing on console then it is seen with remasters.
 
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EmiPrime

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SneakersSO said:
Really, people will think this matters on places like GAF, but the casual consumer is going to see PS marketing all over these huge tentpole fall games and just think they are PS games by extension.
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Yeah Sony are going to sell so many RDR2 and Destiny 2 bundles in Q4 it's going to be obscene. MS need something bigger than Middle Earth.
 
Colbert

Colbert

Banned
SneakersSO said:
Didn't say an advancement of technology isn't a thing - the fact that hardware generations do move forward & are adopted continuously are a reality of this industry. What does that have to do with remasters or better graphics cards? The fact is, time & again, we see that great games exist regardless of whether or not they are being pushed forth with the latest/greatest technology. Great games are what keep this industry afloat, not the platforms that they are running on.
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Completely true. I had a lot of fun with Child of Light, Inside and those games really don't needed a monster machine. Just look into the success of Minecraft. Graphics and powerful machines doesn't make a game good if the game concept is flawed or the game play is boring.

And something about next week from twitter:
https://twitter.com/JezCorden/status/848643389763579904
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Jimmyfenix

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EmiPrime said:
Yeah Sony are going to sell so many RDR2 and Destiny 2 bundles in Q4 it's going to be obscene. MS need something bigger than Middle Earth.
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Don't forget call of duty and battlefront ( Playstation did retweet the BF teaser and Disney are tight with sony)

But both the base systems PS4 & Xbox one S will be the best selling items in the holiday since they will get price cuts and are better entry points for the normal consumer so i can see both MS and Sony making bundles just for the base systems and not the Pro or Scorpio
 
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Jimmyfenix

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i am prepared for the zen vs jaguar talk to be ended when MS say they are using "custom tech"

will be like the NX tech details all over again :p
 
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Dabanton

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I imagine for them MS being in control of when it's specs get out is probably the wisest move they can make.

The machine is probably being opened up to more devs/companies now so leaks are probably going to be inevitable. Better MS can actually comment on what the specs are than allowing internet misinformation to do them in.
 
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Offline

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I can't say I'm excited for this or understand it's appeal considering all Xbox games are now on PC, if I wanted better performance and graphics I'd just invest in a new GPU card, why would I buy an Xbox one when it's disadvantages outweigh all the freedoms PC's offer, I dun get it

I would prefer if they pulled the invesment they made into Scorpio and put it into their first party studios to make compelling exclusive games, that would be far more enticing for me
 
SenkiDala

SenkiDala

Member
SneakersSO said:
I mean, you named a lot of games that were literally at the head of their class when it came to technological innovations and in some cases are leaps that we neither have, nor ever will, see a similar leap in this industry again. We probably won't see an innovation like the introduction of 3D graphics in the console space ( which bore us classics like FFVII & SM64), high-fidelity physics (which bore us Half-Life 2), or the conversion of a genre from 1 medium to another (Halo basically writing the bible for FPS in the console space, a genre which was almost exclusive to the PC prior to it).

It's a good thing though, cause now a days we have to rely more on the game & its design or its design execution to amaze us instead of just technological innovation.
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Yep, 100% agree with that. :)
 
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get2sammyb

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I think based on everything that's been said so far -- and this is just my read of the scenario, could be wrong -- there's going to be a first-party Xbox game reveal (probably Forza 7) that's going to come hand-in-hand with the first footage of a game running on Scorpio. And thus, as a consequence, we'll also be getting Scorpio articles and info -- presumably via interviews that Turn 10 have conducted.

That way, all sources are correct?
 
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quest

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I can't say I'm excited for this or understand it's appeal considering all Xbox games are now on PC, if I wanted better performance and graphics I'd just invest in a new GPU card, why would I buy an Xbox one when it's disadvantages outweigh all the freedoms PC's offer, I dun get it
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Because not everyone wants to deal with the headaches of pc gaming. Scorpio will have the best versions of 3rd party games so I am in. Still will have OG ps4 for Sony exclusives.
 
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scently

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mrklaw said:
Scorpio at 6TF is about 4x the performance of XB1. 4K is 4x the pixels of 1080p - that's all your extra power gone in an instant just for the higher resolution. 60fps would be another 2x which simply isn't available.

I hope they'll resist trying to play one-upmanship and have 'native 4k' purely as a bulletpointl I'd rather they use a form of reconstruction to get a high quality 4k output without using up all the extra performance, and then increase other aspects like lighting, shadows, world detail etc.
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That's not exactly true. Scorpio is around 4.5x the X1, assuming perfect scaling, that gives it a bit more headroom to add extra effects or whatever. Mind you, the higher the resolution the less you gpu power you need to get there. In the leaked MS whitepaper by DF, a first party title presumably Forza, it only took 3.5x the power of the X1 to get it running at 4k.

This is all in addition to the much larger bandwidth and RAM,
 
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SOR5

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Forza 7 would be the best game to get out there now

Like it's just racing and shit, and you knew it was coming BUT its perfect as a technical showcase.

Let Forza show the sparkly horsepower, save any big surprises IP's for E3
 
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Bizzquik

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iMax said:
Looks like it is indeed Digital Foundry. Q&A podcast is up and the bleeps didn't quite cover out the outlet's name!
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Wait, just so I understand this....Digital Foundry was supposedly going to run a story saying that Scorpio wasn't hitting its marks - i.e. it is underpowered - and this podcast is a preemptive rebuttal - saying that Digital Foundry was testing Scorpio that was just 80% unlocked...?
So the "Scorpio news" was to be bad? And this podcast is saying, basically, hold your horses - it isn't ready yet? ('move along; nothing to see here.')
 
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quest said:
Because not everyone wants to deal with the headaches of pc gaming. Scorpio will have the best versions of 3rd party games so I am in. Still will have OG ps4 for Sony exclusives.
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Well that's the thing, I personally don't play video games to play the best versions of multiplatform games, if I did, the headaches of PC gaming would naturally be where I went and most ports these days work perfectly fine. For me I'd like to play the best versions of exclusives or console exclusives and for Xbox that makes most sense on PC since all it's games are on there. I dunno it's just me but I really prefer Microsoft to knuckle down and churn out some must-have first party exclusives, that's more appealing to me personally than specs.
 
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