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[Ashhong]

I have a lifetime of experience of which to draw on.

You have a lifetime of experience with every Korean in the world?

You don't see how you're being hypocritical?

 

[GhostTrick]

I have a lifetime of experience of which to draw on.

So, you met every Koreans ?
I mean, that's like super racist. Replace Koreans by Black/Muslims/Mexicans and if Trump said that, we would all agree it's racist af.

 

[lightskintwin]

Almost all Korean and most Japanese people have a genetic mutation, where they do not have the gene ABCC11. Along with producing dry earwax, it also doesn't allow for sebaceous glands which excrete the oils associated with body odor.

Damn, I had no idea. You learn something new everyday.

The frequency of alleles for dry ear wax and odorless sweat is most concentrated in East- and Northeast Asia, most notably Korea, China, Mongolia, and western Japan.[6] Conversely the frequency of the allele for wet ear wax and odored sweat are highest in African-American and sub-saharan populations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABCC11#Demographics

Although it makes me ask, are Blacks in South Korea just not using deodorant? LOL

 

[Goofalo]

I don't need to meet every Korean in the world to know how Koreans act, work and think, or understand how their culture and society operate.

 

[jufonuk]

That sucks.

I do remember getting kicked out of resturaunts because they didn't serve foreigners while I was in Seoul

Still had a blast though

Wait what ?
Nah I'm not gonna go if they do that shit still.

My money is good

 

[Goofalo]

So, you met every Koreans ?
I mean, that's like super racist. Replace Koreans by Black/Muslims/Mexicans and if Trump said that, we would all agree it's racist af.

Trump isn't Korean.

I am.

 

[FallingEdge]

So, you met every Koreans ?
I mean, that's like super racist. Replace Koreans by Black/Muslims/Mexicans and if Trump said that, we would all agree it's racist af.

It isn't surprising that is being said. This site is casually racist towards Asians.

I don't need to meet every Korean in the world to know how Koreans act, work and think, or understand how their culture and society operate.

like this right here lmao

 

[GhostTrick]

I don't need to meet every Korean in the world to know how Koreans act, work and think, or understand how their culture and society operate.

You can understand how a culture or society works. It doesn't mean every citizen abides to said culture or that a society cant change.
So no, you dont need to meet every Koreans just as you dont need to say "Koreans are this or that".

Trump isn't Korean.

I am.

Which is why I said "replace Koreans". You can be Korean, it's no excuse for this.

 

[vordhosbn]

That's cool, generalize and insult an entire race. There's nothing ironic about this post at all.

I think the guy is allowed to vent about experiencing a lifetime of racism.

People always want to start the "reverse racism" bullshit every time a black person complains about racism.

EDIT - he's korean! lol this should be good.

 

[Goofalo]

You can understand how a culture or society works. It doesn't mean every citizen abides to said culture or that a society cant change.
So no, you dont need to meet every Koreans just as you dont need to say "Koreans are this or that".

But Koreans are.

Don't get mad at me because I'm being honest about the shitty parts of our people. We have great parts too. But we're not talking about that right now.

 

[Ashhong]

I don't need to meet every Korean in the world to know how Koreans act, work and think, or understand how their culture and society operate.

You do if you want to make a blanket statement about the entire race.

I think the guy is allowed to vent about experiencing a lifetime of racism.

People always want to start the "reverse racism" bullshit every time a black person complains about racism.

EDIT - he's korean! lol this should be good.

First of all, why is reverse racism bullshit? Other races experience racism too. Doesn't make it ok to rant and be racist towards any other culture.

I'm also Korean, and it's surprising me even more now that I see he is too.

 

[GhostTrick]

But Koreans are.

Based on what ? Cause it sure isn't the way I feel it right now.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Can he even eat spicy food

Bruh, he's half Nigerian. That's a spice modifier.

 

[Ashhong]

Based on what ? Cause it sure isn't the way I feel it right now.

Based on his lifetime of experience with his own parents apparently

 

[GhostTrick]

Based on his lifetime of experience with his own parents apparently

Yeah, so not one to draw a statement on an entire country.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABCC11#Demographics

Although it makes me ask, are Blacks in South Korea just not using deodorant? LOL

probably that they are. some koreans just hate the smell of colognes/perfumes/deo.

some dont. (the ones that dont buy it).

This Gene thing doesnt just relegate to koreans and japanese but I think chinese and thai as well. I use to date this half chinese half thai, nationally thai chick who never wore Deo, and id always question that shit cause it was wierd to me and she said she didnt like the feeling on her pits and she never stinks anyways. She never did smell. and other thai chicks I messed with werent rockin Deo but they didnt smell.

 

[KissDaRing]

From my experience Japanese people are a lot more accepting of Blacks than Koreans which are pretty bad and Chinese. The times I've visited Japan have been a blast and I've been treated like a celebrity every time I go. China has me a bit fearful when I travel there, and as much as I want to visit South Korea I'm just not up for the hurdles that come with dealing with all the racist BS.

 

[Goofalo]

Based on his lifetime of experience with his own parents apparently

My parents, aren't typical Korean immigrants. We didn't own a store. They came here as professionals and didn't have to deal with the typical racism that confronted the Korean diaspora in the US. They encountered different racism and different obstacles. But, sure, we can deflect on my parents if you want.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Pretty much this. They quite literally killed off the entirety of the central american and south american natives which comprised the majority of their slaves and workers. African slaves were seen as "tougher" (obviously genetics says we're all the fucking same but hey).

Well, if we're talking about the tropics, many Africans were hardier than Europeans. People forget that you were regularly losing massive numbers of people to tropical diseases until the 19th century (which is why Africa wasn't colonized until that point). And it's basically the only reason Haiti's revolution was successful—because every army sent to its shores was almost instantly killed or incapacitated by those diseases.

Of course it also helps that there were already African markets offering black slaves, and they weren't Christian so it avoided any ethical concerns for a lot of people concerned.

 

[Takuan]

probably that they are. some koreans just hate the smell of colognes/perfumes/deo.

some dont. (the ones that dont buy it).

This Gene thing doesnt just relegate to koreans and japanese but I think chinese and thai as well. I use to date this half chinese half thai, nationally thai chick who never wore Deo, and id always question that shit cause it was wierd to me and she said she didnt like the feeling on her pits and she never stinks anyways. She never did smell. and other thai chicks I messed with werent rockin Deo but they didnt smell.

Yeah I've never worn deodorant in my life. People insist I must smell but don't realize it.

 

[lightskintwin]

probably that they are. some koreans just hate the smell of colognes/perfumes/deo.

some dont. (the ones that dont buy it).

This Gene thing doesnt just relegate to koreans and japanese but I think chinese and thai as well. I use to date this half chinese half thai, nationally thai chick who never wore Deo, and id always question that shit cause it was wierd to me and she said she didnt like the feeling on her pits and she never stinks anyways. She never did smell. and other thai chicks I messed with werent rockin Deo but they didnt smell.

Crazy, I had no idea. Although there's been days where for whatever reason I didn't use deodorant and didn't smell, and now I wonder if it has anything to do with my quarter Japanese descent. LOL

 

[Vital Tundra]

Blows my mind how someone can hate another person of a different skin tone, even more so when that someone probably has never even met a black person in their life. Like you don't even have a basis to hate, what the fuck?

 

[RM8]

This is depressing ;(

In the last year, my perception about Koreans went from "what's a Korea?" to "I love Korean people (and food)" because most of the friends I've made here in Japan (lol) are Korean. I didn't imagine Korea to be more tolerant than Japan - but also not less tolerant than Japan... that's honestly pretty bad.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

From my experience Japanese people are a lot more accepting of Blacks than Koreans which are pretty bad and Chinese. The times I've visited Japan have been a blast and I've been treated like a celebrity every time I go. China has me a bit fearful when I travel there, and as much as I want to visit South Korea I'm just not up for the hurdles that come with dealing with all the racist BS.

eh, its not as bad as you may think. You probably wont be treated like a "celebrity" but you will and can still have a good time.

This is depressing ;(

In the last year, my perception about Koreans went from "what's a Korea?" to "I love Korean people (and food)" be use most of the friends I've made here in Japan (lol) are Korean. I didn't imagine Korea to be more tolerant than Japan - but also not less tolerant than Japan... that's honestly pretty bad.

so you know, alot of the "racism" in korea is just ignorance for lack of actually knowing someone outside of their race. Not everyone in S. Korea are racist and hateful. You said it yourself, most of the friends you made are Korean. If all of S. Korea was racist, that wouldnt be the case. Its not as bad as people try to paint the shit.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Is the racist demographic older people? I think since SK is adopting a lot of things from African American culture, like raps and gangster stuff, that the younger crowd will not be racist.

I would think that Japan is also facing similar racist feelings, but they have Jero, the first black Enka singer, that was very popular with the younger crowds.

Oh, to have such an innocent pure heart.

I know guys who stan (are huge inconsiderate fans of) Beyonce but think Blacks are undateable and ugly.

 

[JCHandsom]

First of all, why is reverse racism bullshit? Other races experience racism too. Doesn't make it ok to rant and be racist towards any other culture.

I'm also Korean, and it's surprising me even more now that I see he is too.

Racism=prejudice+privilege/power. A white person discriminating against a black person in America is being racist not just because they are discriminating, but because they control the institutions of power (governance, law enforcement, media representation, etc.) that free them from repercussions/allow them greater avenues of discrimination/etc. That's why "reverse racism" is bs.

It's still not ok to discriminate against any other culture though, but there is a difference.

 

[HisImperialMajesty]

Racism is everywhere folks. It's universal. Considering Asian American male models are STILL extremely rare despite us being 6% of the population and us being here for centuries, I don't think it's too much a surprise that there's some backlash and racism that the first black male model in SK has to face. Good for him for breaking down some barriers.

 

[RM8]

so you know, alot of the "racism" in korea is just ignorance for lack of actually knowing someone outside of their race. Not everyone in S. Korea are racist and hateful. You said it yourself, most of the friends you made are Korean. If all of S. Korea was racist, that wouldnt be the case. Its not as bad as people try to paint the shit.

I've never been to Korea and I definitely wouldn't label the entire population as racist (especially since, yeah, I've made a lot of really nice Korean friends lately) but I guess it's worth mentioning that I'm not black. Maybe it wouldn't have made any difference, though? That's what I want to believe.

 

[KissDaRing]

eh, its not as bad as you may think. You probably wont be treated like a "celebrity" but you will and can still have a good time.



so you know, alot of the "racism" in korea is just ignorance for lack of actually knowing someone outside of their race. Not everyone in S. Korea are racist and hateful. You said it yourself, most of the friends you made are Korean. If all of S. Korea was racist, that wouldnt be the case. Its not as bad as people try to paint the shit.

I know closer to the military bases in South Korea it's a bit better but if I wanted to do sight seeing and such I know it won't be as pleasant. My cousin just got out of a 5 year relationship with a korean girl and during the whole time he was kept a secret from her parents and other family members. It sucks but that's life I guess. We'll see how quickly things change for the better or worst.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

https://youtu.be/rJkRMsyQ3H4

(shit wrong video before.... right video now)

The "homogenous" stuff is pretty real.

its less about racism and more just ignorance due to isolation. People saying "Nope you got the internet no excuses" dont realize, they dont even really use Google like that. S.Korea has their own search which is Naver. They use their own social network more than facebook which is Kakaotalk. Alot of koreans dont even use facebook. They prefer Instagram for some reason. (which is owned by facebook ironically).

My cousin just got out of a 5 year relationship with a korean girl and during the whole time he was kept a secret from her parents and other family members. It sucks but that's life I guess. We'll see how quickly things change for the better or worst.

thats different. she would have kept a secret if he was white, japanese, thai, whatever. older koreans want their korean kids marrying a korean and dating korean only.

 

[Ashhong]

My parents, aren't typical Korean immigrants. We didn't own a store. They came here as professionals and didn't have to deal with the typical racism that confronted the Korean diaspora in the US. They encountered different racism and different obstacles. But, sure, we can deflect on my parents if you want.

What does that have to do with them being, or not being horrible racists themselves? But sure, focus on that one off hand comment instead of the other posters calling out your bs statement.

Racism=prejudice+privilege/power. A white person discriminating against a black person in America is being racist not just because they are discriminating, but because they control the institutions of power (governance, law enforcement, media representation, etc.) that free them from repercussions/allow them greater avenues of discrimination/etc. That's why "reverse racism" is bs.

It's still not ok to discriminate against any other culture though, but there is a difference.

Sure, I can see why that would be bs. But by that definition, I don't think calling out a poster for being racist against another race, which is what I was doing, is reverse racism.

 

[EVOL 100%]

https://youtu.be/tL9OcqsYSeQ

The "homogenous" stuff is pretty real.

its less about racism and more just ignorance due to isolation. People saying "Nope you got the internet no excuses" dont realize, they dont even really use Google like that. S.Korea has their own search which is Naver. They use their own social network more than facebook which Kakaotalk. Alot of koreans dont even use facebook. They prefer Instagram for some reason. (which is owned by facebook ironically).

What? I can count the amount of people I know who don't have Facebook accounts on one hand.

But yes, the problem with Korea is that it prides itself for being homogeneous. That shit has no place in the modern world, and it's still being teached in textbooks and the media

 

[GhostTrick]

But Koreans are.

Don't get mad at me because I'm being honest about the shitty parts of our people. We have great parts too. But we're not talking about that right now.

No one's here to say Koreans are perfect. But it's like every people ? You cant just say "Koreans are this/Koreans are that". It's nice to have self criticism, but it doesn't mean it's nice to draw blanket statements.

 

[Kuroi Gogeta]

Honestly, you don't sound like you know much about East Asia and treatment of races there. I said everybody experiences discrimination from nationalists, that's obvious and true everywhere in the world.

But to the majority of the population white people are considered superior and receive even better treatment than the locals. You have expats living there for decades without speaking the language yet still able to find a job, treated with respect.

On the other hand you brown/black/other asians with better achievements/grasp of the language basically denied immediately. Ask any expat this is common knowledge.

East Asia has a huge problem with not just racism towards blacks/brown people but also putting white people on a pedestal.

Well I did say I'm basing my statements on secondary sources. I don't live in Korea. I'm aware of the colorism even within Asians. I live in Vancouver which has a high East Asian population and I often see Asian women walking around with umbrellas in the summer and I see whitening creams advertised in Chinese stores. From what I've seen, they value WHITE skin, like literally white. The whiteness they pursue isn't congruent with western whiteness where often celebrities are trying to look tanned. I chalk the better treatment of white people and the negative views of black people to over 100 years of seeing the rest of the world through a Eurocentric filter. They see black people through magazines showing starving Africans, they see American shows with black drug dealers and criminals, they form their conclusions from already flawed media. They also have negative views of dark skinned people in general.if they see a Thai or fillipino as dirty, then they probably don't recognize the humanity of black people. Like literally don't see black people as anything but sub humans that succeed only in entertaining people.

Well, or just 5X more likely to admit they're racist 'cause they don't see what's wrong with it. But yeah, I get what you mean.



The only real long-term solution (beyond government redress) for racism is socialization. Problem is in the short term that's actually more likely to cause negative impacts like decreases in social cohesion and the like.

Hope things work out for the model.

I doubt it. I mean k pop is LARGELY influenced by African American music, yet there's disgust when it comes to actual black people. Exposure could help but i think years of positive p.r., the type that white people have had would shift attitudes slightly. Any Korean can interact with black people at any time. Its literally a few mouse clicks away. The alternative is a large influx of black people which won't happen because of how strict the immigration policies are. I've heard their birth rates are declining though so they're going to either have to relax their regulations, or enjoy an aging, dying workforce all because of trying to maintain some sense of 'purity'

 

[Fafalada]

But many other countries that are just generally less diverse in general sometimes can have it worse.

It depends - in Korea you're at least never in any physical danger from it.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

posted the wrong video.... damn youtube...

meant to post this one.

https://youtu.be/rJkRMsyQ3H4

 

[Goofalo]

What does that have to do with them being, or not being horrible racists themselves? But sure, focus on that one off hand comment instead of the other posters calling out your bs statement.

How am I being racist against Koreans exactly? Is it because I'm not marching to the company drum? Koreans have issues. Due to a Confucian, monoethnic culture and our modern history, Korean culture is still very focused on outward appearances being the most important, status is also, I feel artificially valued too highly. It's not to discount that the societal structure has helped Korea immensely in establishing itself as an economic power house. But there is a good side and bad side to everything.

And it's not an offhanded comment to throw someone's parents in the mix. Especially for Korean people.

If you want to start a topic about good things Koreans do, I'm on board with the topic and will lists all sorts of wonderful accomplishments that our people have achieved.

But, don't be mad because I don't think Koreans shit sunshine. I truly love our people, but I'm not going to be ignorant to the societal and cultural trends that I disagree with. Just because I don't like 물김치, doesn't mean I hate all 김치.

 

[travisbickle]

What? I can count the amount of people I know who don't have Facebook accounts on one hand.

But yes, the problem with Korea is that it prides itself for being homogeneous. That shit has no place in the modern world, and it's still being teached in textbooks and the media

TV shows are constantly about foreigners living in Korea and how to improve integration, that's how you know there's an issue.

 

[Piccoro]

So last year I read that the South Koreans were heavily homophobic, and now I learn that they are racist too!

What a jolly country... :/

 

[Laieon]

are Blacks in South Korea just not using deodorant? LOL

Deodorant was legitimately difficult to track down here until the past year or so when I finally started to see it in supermarkets.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Well I did say I'm basing my statements on secondary sources. I don't live in Korea. I'm aware of the colorism even within Asians. I live in Vancouver which has a high East Asian population and I often see Asian women walking around with umbrellas in the summer and I see whitening creams advertised in Chinese stores. From what I've seen, they value WHITE skin, like literally white. The whiteness they pursue isn't congruent with western whiteness where often celebrities are trying to look tanned. I chalk the better treatment of white people and the negative views of black people to over 100 years of seeing the rest of the world through a Eurocentric filter. They see black people through magazines showing starving Africans, they see American shows with black drug dealers and criminals, they form their conclusions from already flawed media. They also have negative views of dark skinned people in general.if they see a Thai or fillipino as dirty, then they probably don't recognize the humanity of black people. Like literally don't see black people as anything but sub humans that succeed only in entertaining people.

I doubt it. I mean k pop is LARGELY influenced by African American music, yet there's disgust when it comes to actual black people. Exposure could help but i think years of positive p.r., the type that white people have had would shift attitudes slightly. Any Korean can interact with black people at any time. Its literally a few mouse clicks away. The alternative is a large influx of black people which won't happen because of how strict the immigration policies are. I've heard their birth rates are declining though so they're going to either have to relax their regulations, or enjoy an aging, dying workforce all because of trying to maintain some sense of 'purity'

I don't think it makes sense to blame American culture for this. Yeah, you've got black drug dealers, you've also got (especially in TV) lots of positive black characters, and Morgan Freeman is the ultra-competent president or God in what seems like half of all movies these days. If they're only soaking up a stereotype to hate on black folks from media, then that speaks to their ingrained attitudes, not the media itself.

And I don't think "a few clicks away" is really any sort of solution compared to actual personal contact. I mean, take NeoGAF itself—we interact far differently here than we would if we all grouped together in person and talked about the exact same stuff. Especially when we're talking about ideological opinions and challenging your biases the internet is far more often a tool of reinforcement (because that's how we're wired) than a forum to challenge yourself.

I do agree that Japan and South Korea are going to have to have a reckoning in regards to their xenophobia, but as seen from western countries' attitudes towards immigration being more "welcoming" wouldn't exactly be a totally positive thing as well.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Deodorant was legitimately difficult to track down here until the past year or so when I finally started to see it in supermarkets.

probably cause a good amount dont use it. like I said a ton of koreans dont like the smell of it.

but some do. the ones that do, are the ones buying it.

 

[Goofalo]

So last year I read that the South Koreans were heavily homophobic, and now I learn that they are racist too!

What a jolly country... :/

It has a lot to offer. But yes, the culture needs to evolve. The homophobia part I think is partly due to Koreans feeling that private issues, such as sexuality, as best kept private. Also, US style evangelical Christianity has taken a hold there ina big way.

 

[Laieon]

It depends - in Korea you're at least never in any physical danger from it.

Eh, not necessarily true. Literally just saw this on one of the expat boards:

 

[Takuan]

It has a lot to offer. But yes, the culture needs to evolve. The homophobia part I think is partly due to Koreans feeling that private issues, such as sexuality, as best kept private. Also, US style evangelical Christianity has taken a hold there ina big way.

The funny thing is, you see a lot of physical affection among male friends in open public. It's just not seen as gay.

Then there's the old dudes at bath houses who scrub you down from head to taint.

How am I being racist against Koreans exactly? Is it because I'm not marching to the company drum? Koreans have issues. Due to a Confucian, monoethnic culture and our modern history, Korean culture is still very focused on outward appearances being the most important, status is also, I feel artificially valued too highly. It's not to discount that the societal structure has helped Korea immensely in establishing itself as an economic power house. But there is a good side and bad side to everything.

And it's not an offhanded comment to throw someone's parents in the mix. Especially for Korean people.

If you want to start a topic about good things Koreans do, I'm on board with the topic and will lists all sorts of wonderful accomplishments that our people have achieved.

But, don't be mad because I don't think Koreans shit sunshine. I truly love our people, but I'm not going to be ignorant to the societal and cultural trends that I disagree with. Just because I don't like 물김치, doesn't mean I hate all 김치.

+1

It doesn't do any good to handwave these things because it makes you feel uncomfortable.

 

[The Last Wizard]

Why y'all always surprised? No one likes black and brown people, it's a worldwide problem.

 

[Aquavelvaman]

Why y'all always surprised? No one likes black and brown people, it's a worldwide problem.

I like brown and black people.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Eh, not necessarily true. Literally just saw this on one of the expat boards:

thats like, a one off situation. That guy posting seems to have his own racism as welll.

You're safe.

 

[Goofalo]

The funny thing is, you see a lot of physical affection among male friends in open public. I'ts just not seen as gay.

Then there's the old dudes at bath houses who scrub you down from head to taint.

That's the cultural difference. Like the scrubbing is just, that's what scrubbers do. And the hand holding is just how people show affection. I'm not sure about Europe, but yeah, in the US handholding, especially amongst boys is so seen as a sign of homosexuality.

 

[killertofu]

I don't think it makes sense to blame American culture for this. Yeah, you've got black drug dealers, you've also got (especially in TV) lots of positive black characters, and Morgan Freeman is the ultra-competent president or God in what seems like half of all movies these days. If they're only soaking up a stereotype to hate on black folks from media, then that speaks to their ingrained attitudes, not the media itself.

Bruh, are you kidding? There's a TON of influence from American movies/media that seeps into the world.

I still remember a few years back going to the Philippines when a kid asked me if I knew any black people. I was like yeah, of course I do. Then he asked me if they were gangsters and did gun sounds.

I was pretty floored