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Xboxone Resolutiongate (Eurogamer)

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GodofWine

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jedimike said:
but GAF being GAF, it is wrapped around the axle on resolution. As if native 1080p is going to deliver a more enjoyable game than upscaled 1080p. I would say that XB1 and PS4 have enough power to deliver quality gaming. I'm interested in all the "heated seats" and "navigation" that adds to my enjoyment and I think that is what the media is trying to deliver to us as well.
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Resolution is the first manifestation of a power gap we have, and its real. This power gap could be applied to AI, Lighting, NPCs on screen, multiplayer player count, voxels and particles and all kinda shit I dont even know about.

But, thats performance related, yes. If snapping to skype and movies in the middle of games, or snapping to skype or games in the middle of a movie is what you want, or talking to your xbox to change channels or get your fantasy football scores is, the xb1 is for you.

Each will provide a solid gaming experience, its just that its going to be hard to suggest the ps4 will ever deliver a lesser gaming experience.

Like JackFrags said, despite the ps4 being stronger, go where the experience you want it, or where your friends are going, cause thats what matters.
 
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RaikuHebi

Banned
Dr. Kitty Muffins said:
Resolutiongate has only just begun. Those thinking this will blow over need to think again. This story has legs, as they say.
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When Naughty Dog's next IP hits, even though not a directly comparable game, that is truly the time where the differences will shine brighter than the Sun.
 
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DragonSworne

Banned
I told my fiance about the resolution difference this morning. She has been an 360 gamer this whole generation. First thing she said is "and why is it $100 more again?"

This is not going to be good for MS.
 
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Billen

Banned
More power equals less risk of choppy gameplay, which has been a major factor deciding peoples choices for multi platform games so far. The pixels can be seen as an indicator of said power.

It's not that hard.
 
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Amir0x

Banned
weekend_warrior said:
The ether combined with the E-bomb to rip hole in time-space continuum sending him back in time to when he was a mod and retroactively banning Ebomb. That's some next level shit.
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Heh, this made me giggle. I went to watch Pacific Rim and when he came back he was banned so I didn't have a hand in it (obviously).

But I'm not surprised! I mean... look at that post of his :p

viveks86 said:
Gives "talking him to death" a whole new meaning.
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Haha this sounds like I bored him to death :(



;)
 
Codeblew

Codeblew

Member
jedimike said:
Check out lap times on "the ring" for production cars and you'll see that power alone doesn't get you the fastest lap times.
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So you are saying some scale with their hardware better than others? How well is the XB1 scaling with their eSRAM?
 
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system11

Member
ElTorro said:
frodoonly720psxulq.gif
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/thread
 
Coulomb_Barrier

Coulomb_Barrier

Member
Arstechnica, Edge, Forbes: 'well resolution doesn't matter anyway now. It did before Xbox One, but it doesn't now, ok? Cos we said so. Lets forget about it all quickly. Theres a good little gamer.'

Fucking no, we won't.
 
Alebrije

Alebrije

Member
I just wonder what if the PS4 were the Xbone ( in power terms ) and Xbone the PS4. What will be the statements of Xbone fans , surely not that 720p is the same than 1080p or that there is just a small difference of 49 fps vs 51 fps on Battlefield....

Just wonder....
 
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jedimike

Member
Coulomb_Barrier said:
Arstechnica, Edge, Forbes: 'well resolution doesn't matter anyway now. It did before Xbox One, but it doesn't now, ok? Cos we said so. Lets forget about it all quickly. Theres a good little gamer.'

Fucking no, we won't.
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I thought there was a point this gen where we stopped counting native res pixels because it stopped mattering. Didn't we finally say "what's the point? Gears (or whatever other games got ridiculed for native res) is a great game?"

The same will happen with XB1 and PS4... We'll get some great games and we'll start judging the systems on those.
 
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jedimike

Member
Alebrije said:
I just wonder what if the PS4 were the Xbone ( in power terms ) and Xbone the PS4. What will be the statements of Xbone fans , surely not that 720p is the same than 1080p or that there is just a small difference of 49 fps vs 51 fps on Battlefield....

Just wonder....
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Haven't XB360 owners already been on the short stick of resolution? Don't most PS3 games have a higher native resolution?
 
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crozier

Member
I know that some people find the constant barrage of threads about resolution and FPS annoying, but they make me incredibly happy. This might be the first console generation in history to really emphasize a solid 30 FPS or 60 FPS. As far back as Perfect Dark on the N64, an uneven FPS has driven me nuts...I couldn't even finish the single-player game because it felt so sluggish. And it's been like this every single damned generation. I can barely play recent games like Enslaved because of it too.

Now, though? This generation? It looks like anything less than a rock-solid framerate will be discussed ad nauseum in forums and likely reflected in Metacritic scores like never has been before.
 
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Skilletor

Member
jedimike said:
Haven't XB360 owners already been on the short stick of resolution? Don't most PS3 games have a higher native resolution?
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It's the opposite,actually, in general, but has reached near parity. But 360 versions of games have more often performed better and had a higher resolution when there was a difference.
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Skilletor said:
It's the opposite,actually, in general, but has reached near parity. But 360 versions of games have more often performed better and had a higher resolution when there was a difference.
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Yeah, it took basically the whole generation for middleware tools to handle the PS3.
The PS3 has more performance on paper, but it was a bear to get a hold of.

This generation the ps4 has more performance on paper AND is easier to develop for.
 
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Feorax

Member
Just for my own sanity, has it been confirmed what horizontal resolution BF4 runs on Xbox One? The only reason I ask is because I've juse seen it suggested that it could be 1024x720, which seems utterly unthinkable to me.

If it's not true (which I suspect), then I'd rather it be dealt with here than make a new thread and risk spreading more FUD.
 
Dr. Kitty Muffins

Dr. Kitty Muffins

Member
Alebrije

Alebrije

Member
True. The press seems to believe that its better to be conventionally wrong than unconventionally right. they are afraid of screw their relationship with MS , Sony , publishers , etc. Specially on this next gen launch. At a point that some of them lie or make bland statements about an specifict console. On this topic about the small difference in graphic power between Xbone and PS4.

Its a shame but saddly is part of the videogame industry these days. A lot of videogame "journalists" do this on order to keep their ego and status or simply keep their job and bring "food" to their families.
 
Ein Bear

Ein Bear

Member
The thing that I find weirdest about these articles in the press playing down the resolution difference is that they still don't offer up any reason why you should be getting the XB1 version of the game.

Even if there was no difference between the two consoles, and they were 100% identical in terms of power... well, one's still £100 cheaper than the other. Yet, by constantly talking up the Xbox One version, and talking down the PS4 version, it kind of feels like there's a subtle implication there that you shouldn't be buying it on PS4.

I dunno, maybe I'm just being paranoid, but everything seems to be written like it's damage control. As though they're approaching it from the angle that everyone's console of choice is obviously the Xbox One, that it's the console we all want to buy, and that hey, don't worry, everything will be fine when we get them.
 
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EmCeeGramr

Member
alr1ght said:
thought this comment on GB was spot on
http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/bombin-the-a-m-with-scoops-and-the-wolf-11-01-2013/2300-8147/
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This is after Patrick said it wasn't worth a news story because he doesn't care because he doesn't have a 1080p set, along with Brad saying "normal" customers don't care (well, who exactly is GB targeting?).
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Patrick at least seemed to be acknowledging on his Tumblr that people had reason to come to conclusions based on the evidence of their own eyes and what they're reading.

Then during today's Bombin' I heard Alex Navarro saying that you'd need "a microscope" to tell the difference between the two versions of BF4 (it sounded like he hadn't even seen them himself, just going on the first reactions of journos on Twitter that night) and they agreed that that this all amounts to a "slightly more powerful" PS4.
 
semiconscious

semiconscious

Member
Alebrije said:
I just wonder what if the PS4 were the Xbone ( in power terms ) and Xbone the PS4. What will be the statements of Xbone fans , surely not that 720p is the same than 1080p or that there is just a small difference of 49 fps vs 51 fps on Battlefield....

Just wonder....
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i can't help but wonder what the statements from arstechnica, edge, & forbes would've been, as well...

edit: & giant bomb (see above) :) ...
 
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RedNumberFive

Banned
EmCeeGramr said:
Patrick at least seemed to be acknowledging on his Tumblr that people had reason to come to conclusions based on the evidence of their own eyes and what they're reading.

Then during today's Bombin' I heard Alex Navarro saying that you'd need "a microscope" to tell the difference between the two versions of BF4 (it sounded like he hadn't even seen them himself, just going on the first reactions of journos on Twitter that night) and they agreed that that this all amounts to a "slightly more powerful" PS4.
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Vision is not part of the benefits package at CBS.
 
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Tilian

Banned
I've become very surprized at all this, and so interested in press (Ars, Edge, Giantbomb etc.) motivations for downplaying the differences, in particular those motivations that might stem from a sort of tension with forums like Gaf that have an increasing presence and weight in the industry.

While I suspect some press members simply don't know or appreciate the technical disparity at play here, or are interested in a sort of political parity, I wonder if another factor for the "downplay" can be seen as a sort of conservative defense against forums that are increasingly setting the tone and detail of current gaming discussions.
 
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fade_

Member
Honestly this is the best time to see which media outlets are fair and which are full of shit. Take notes on who are hypocritical and talking out of their ass so you know who not to trust with reviews in the future.
 
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Hypron

Member
NullPointer said:
For the same game it does.
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This.

What I always find weird about threads like this one is that people will try to convince everyone that 720p is not different from 1080p. As if a significant number of people on GAF haven't already been experiencing the difference for several years.

I've been playing xbox 360 and PC games on the same 1080p screen for years, and you can be damn sure I can tell the difference. I'm even double-dipping to experience some games in 1080p even though I already own the console version (Dark Souls for example).

According to these people, there'd be absolutely no point in doing so because some of these games don't even get any graphical improvements apart from being playable in higher resolutions. But higher resolutions make a difference. Going back to Dark Souls, there are a lot of texture details that are simply lost due to the low resolution of the game on consoles. Playing the game in 1080p (or greater) really made me appreciate all the work that went into those textures. The game also became a lot more "readable" - everything was clearer, as if a veil had been lifted. It definitely improved my gaming experience A LOT. I'd find myself stopping and staring at the landscape way more often than when I was playing the game on my 360, even though I had already played it for 100+ hours.
 
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rjinaz

Member
alr1ght said:
thought this comment on GB was spot on
http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/bombin-the-a-m-with-scoops-and-the-wolf-11-01-2013/2300-8147/
kmT6UKX.png


This is after Patrick said it wasn't worth a news story because he doesn't care because he doesn't have a 1080p set, along with Brad saying "normal" customers don't care (well, who exactly is GB targeting?).
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Walmart is/was selling a 40 inch 1080p tv today for $250. Granted it wasn't Sony Bravia, but my point is, 1080p is cheap. It just boggles my mind that people who play games professionally so they can write about them do not have a 1080p tv at this point in time. Somebody help me understand please.
 
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EmCeeGramr

Member
The weird part is, an overwhelming amount of people (including journalists) actually at the BF4 event in Stockholm said that the PS4 version clearly looked better in person. The Eurogamer article even points this out. (I say "overwhelming" because at least one said they were nearly indistinguishable, but we all know who that is [if you don't, just take a wild guess]).

Then all of these editorials come out from people who apparently weren't even there and they're all "well no biggy, it's not even noticeable, you'd have to be a pixel counter lol"
 
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Tilian

Banned
rjinaz said:
Walmart is/was selling a 40 inch 1080p tv today for $250. Granted it wasn't Sony Bravia, but my point is, 1080p is cheap. It just boggles my mind that people who play games professionally so they can write about them do not have a 1080p tv at this point in time. Somebody help me understand please.
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More strange than not owning a 1080p set to me is not recognizing or appreciating that this is a basic issue for many gamers, and thus the need to inform and clarify such details because of its basic importance to gaming tech.

It reminds me of Brad at E3, who very quickly and confidently brushed away the differences (even when many details were not yet know). I don't mind that they're not important to him, but not speaking to the issue nonetheless since it's important and relevant is very strange.
 
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bigboss370

Member
while we've yet to to see direct CoD comparisons, the differences in BF4 weren't resolution alone. How come these guys aren't addressing those issues at all? They're just downplaying resolution and moving on...
 
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Skeff

Member
rjinaz said:
Walmart is/was selling a 40 inch 1080p tv today for $250. Granted it wasn't Sony Bravia, but my point is, 1080p is cheap. It just boggles my mind that people who play games professionally so they can write about them do not have a 1080p tv at this point in time. Somebody help me understand please.
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The worst thing is that a 1080p native game compared to the same game at native 720p would still look better on a 720p TV.
 
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Brad Grenz

Member
EmCeeGramr said:
Patrick at least seemed to be acknowledging on his Tumblr that people had reason to come to conclusions based on the evidence of their own eyes and what they're reading.

Then during today's Bombin' I heard Alex Navarro saying that you'd need "a microscope" to tell the difference between the two versions of BF4 (it sounded like he hadn't even seen them himself, just going on the first reactions of journos on Twitter that night) and they agreed that that this all amounts to a "slightly more powerful" PS4.
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That is extremely disappointing. The press need to remember they work for their audience and should be advocates for their concerns, not the platform holders' and publishers'. They were never shy about pointing out much smaller differences this gen in the interest of informing the public but suddenly, with greater visual and performance gaps than ever many are allowing themselves to be misused by Xbox public relations to promote a completely baseless and unsupported claim that casual won't see a difference or care. There is no evidence of that whatsoever.
 
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Krakn3Dfx

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semiconscious said:
i can't help but wonder what the statements from arstechnica, edge, & forbes would've been, as well...

edit: & giant bomb (see above) :) ...
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Pretty sure we already know...

"Once again, Sony falls short on specs while MS has really stepped up their game with the Xbox One."

Almost all of these sites taking a "imperceptible difference" approach to the difference in console power would be all over this if MS had actually put some effort into building a game console as opposed to an extension to your cable box w/ a hands free motion controller attached to it.

The only one I'm genuinely surprised about is Ars tho, the rest are just playing the same roll they have for the past 7 years.
 
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VanWinkle

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Why are press acting this? I want to know. Honestly. Many said that the 50% power advantage the PS4 has won't really end up that high an advantage. So then comes Call of Duty, a game in which PS4 has a 125% power advantage over the XB1 version! This is vastly BIGGER a difference! Its crazy news. Even BF4, which has a comparatively less impressive 50% higher pixel count, had many press at the event stunned to find that the PS4 version was much more impressive. This was said by many people, and both Eurogamer and Jack Frags asked other members of the press at the event, most of who completely agreed.

What good does it do the press to downplay this significant advantage? I have trouble understanding it. Don't downplay it BECAUSE some people won't tell the difference. That is being willfully untruthful. Most readers of video game websites aren't the kind of people who don't care about technical details, so why are they appealing to what they call the "normal person". Don't hide facts under a veil of "slight differences". That's a lie.
 
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antitrop

Member
alr1ght said:
thought this comment on GB was spot on
http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/bombin-the-a-m-with-scoops-and-the-wolf-11-01-2013/2300-8147/
kmT6UKX.png


This is after Patrick said it wasn't worth a news story because he doesn't care because he doesn't have a 1080p set, along with Brad saying "normal" customers don't care (well, who exactly is GB targeting?).
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Fuckin' A. This guy gets all the clapping.gifs.

VanWinkle said:
Many said that the 50% power advantage the PS4 has won't really end up that high an advantage. So then comes Call of Duty, a game in which PS4 has a 125% power advantage over the XB1 version!
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I laughed out loud at this. You really just have to laugh at this situation, it's absolutely incredible.
 
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AlphaDump

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Derrick01

Banned
VanWinkle said:
Why are press acting this?
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I think it's pretty obvious that there is a widespread xbox preference in the western media. Now I don't know why they're like that, I seriously doubt MS has the majority of the media paid off, but I don't know how you could argue there's not a strong preference when you add up all the bullshit like this from all of the major outlets over the course of the generation.
 
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rjinaz

Member
VanWinkle said:
Why are press acting this? I want to know. Honestly. Many said that the 50% power advantage the PS4 has won't really end up that high an advantage. So then comes Call of Duty, a game in which PS4 has a 125% power advantage over the XB1 version! This is vastly BIGGER a difference! Its crazy news. Even BF4, which has a comparatively less impressive 50% higher pixel count, had many press at the event stunned to find that the PS4 version was much more impressive. This was said by many people, and both Eurogamer and Jack Frags asked other members of the press at the event, most of who completely agreed.

What good does it do the press to downplay this significant advantage? I have trouble understanding it. Don't downplay it BECAUSE some people won't tell the difference. That is being willfully untruthful. Most readers of video game websites aren't the kind of people who don't care about technical details, so why are they appealing to what they call the "normal person". Don't hide facts under a veil of "slight differences". That's a lie.
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That's a great question.
 
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