Shayan said:

ps3 has outsold the x360 in terms of global sales. Who would have thought? Lets visit some of those ps3 doom and gloom articles . These articles also show how close minded and ignorant some of the media outlets are ?

Gaming Target "Further Proof the PS3 is Done ".
http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=9279

Aaron Greenberg "Xbox 360 will outsell PS3 for this entire generation"
http://kotaku.com/5383070/microsoft-we-will-outsell-ps3-this-gen

Seeking Alpha "Why the PlayStation 3 Will Bankrupt Sony"
http://seekingalpha.com/article/17605-why-the-playstation-3-will-bankrupt-sony

1up "Is The PS3 Doomed?"
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8453000

Gigacom "Blu-ray’s Dead, Long Live PS3 Downloads"
http://gigaom.com/2008/04/21/blu-rays-dead-long-live-ps3-downloads/

Fortune Magazine(CNN) " PS3 a sinking ship"
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds...nys_ps3_a_sinking_ship_sales_plummet_sne.html
As expected CNN took down that article . It wasnt just controversial . It reeked of racism

ZDNET "Is the PlayStation Doomed?"
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/collaboration/is-the-playstation-doomed/184

Neowin "Sony marketing failures have caused PS3 downfall"
http://www.neowin.net/news/gamers/0...y-marketing-failures-have-caused-ps3-downfall

There are countless other threads regarding ps3's doom and gloom. All these guys needed to do was just look at worldwide sales figures and the exchange rate that was hurting SONY. However , we don't see that many articles on x360 being third in console race though

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tirminyl said:

I think if you are a US centric magazine or site, you typically will not look at global sales. From your perspective, in the US, this product is dead right? Because the world revolves around us.

In seriousness, I have always got a chuckle out of those articles and the claims that Sony should just abandon hardware and go third party.

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Shayan said:

I remember back in the days at GAF too, when people were portraying it as Game cube 2.0. Now you wont see articles like these, since xbone has no chance vs ps4 in global race. I expect the console war to be over within a few months irrespectively of the US outcome. But that hasnt stopped sites from coming up with bizarre claims like the only region where xbone will sell as much as PS4 is SA/ middle east , where SONY is the most loved brand and ps3 has 80% market share according to IGN ME (formerly megamers)

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Shayan said:

ps3 has outsold the x360 in terms of global sales. Who would have thought? Lets visit some of those ps3 doom and gloom articles . These articles also show how close minded and ignorant some of the media outlets are ?

Gaming Target "Further Proof the PS3 is Done ".
http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=9279

Aaron Greenberg "Xbox 360 will outsell PS3 for this entire generation"
http://kotaku.com/5383070/microsoft-we-will-outsell-ps3-this-gen

Seeking Alpha "Why the PlayStation 3 Will Bankrupt Sony"
http://seekingalpha.com/article/17605-why-the-playstation-3-will-bankrupt-sony

1up "Is The PS3 Doomed?"
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8453000

Gigacom "Blu-ray’s Dead, Long Live PS3 Downloads"
http://gigaom.com/2008/04/21/blu-rays-dead-long-live-ps3-downloads/

Fortune Magazine(CNN) " PS3 a sinking ship"
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds...nys_ps3_a_sinking_ship_sales_plummet_sne.html
As expected CNN took down that article . It wasnt just controversial . It reeked of racism

ZDNET "Is the PlayStation Doomed?"
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/collaboration/is-the-playstation-doomed/184

Neowin "Sony marketing failures have caused PS3 downfall"
http://www.neowin.net/news/gamers/0...y-marketing-failures-have-caused-ps3-downfall

There are countless other threads regarding ps3's doom and gloom. All these guys needed to do was just look at worldwide sales figures and the exchange rate that was hurting SONY. However , we don't see that many articles on x360 being third in console race though

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Gadirok said:

I think the prime thing here is that Sony has a good footing in third world countries/ developing countries. It also has a lot more appeal worldwide than the 360. You are more likely to see a PS3 in India (and China) over the other consoles.

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Neo Ankh said:

It really is amazing how blinded by success these companies can become. First with Sony thinking that after the PS2 they could release the PS3 at $599 and everyone would just deal with it. Next Microsoft thinks that after the 360's success they can just shove their shitty DRM and Kinect down everyone's throat and we'll all just deal with it.

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JordanN said:

Not an article, but Amir0x rant was pretty awesome.

Dramatic reading edition.

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JordanN said:

Not an article, but Amir0x rant was pretty awesome.

Dramatic reading edition.

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Shayan said:

wow, that guy was a mod?

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Shayan said:

However , we don't see that many articles on x360 being third in console race though

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JordanN said:

Not an article, but Amir0x rant was pretty awesome.

Dramatic reading edition.

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Dug said:

Another good post from the same thread.

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Shayan said:

There are countless other threads regarding ps3's doom and gloom. All these guys needed to do was just look at worldwide sales figures and the exchange rate that was hurting SONY. However , we don't see that many articles on x360 being third in console race though

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Pureauthor said:

The PS3 was a complete catastrophe in financial terms. That they managed to sell more than a similarly underperforming console in the long run is not something to boast about.

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Pureauthor said:

The PS3 was a complete catastrophe in financial terms. That they managed to sell more than a similarly underperforming console in the long run is not something to boast about.

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Mutanthands said:

Not exactly a ringing victory, to finally catch up world wide nearly 7 years later. Especially after the absolute domination the PS2 had.

I look at it this way; if the Playstation brand had maintained the type of mindshare from before, the X1 would be as dead as the Ouya after the crap Microsoft pulled. But because of what Microsoft took from Sony this generation, the damned thing probably still has a chance in the at least one of the big 3 markets.

Playstation will likely win this upcoming generation, but they will never dominate like they did during the PS2 years ever again.

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Shayan said:

Xbone has no chance against PS4 outside US and US outcome wont impede PS4 in any way. You have new emerging markets for consoles this gen like China/India

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Shayan said:

Xbone has no chance against PS4 outside US and US outcome wont impede PS4 in any way . even if it leans towards xbone. You have new emerging markets for consoles this gen like China/India. You will see PS4 dominate next gen

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eastmen said:

why is that ?

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Sub_Level said:

PS3 was TERRIBLE at first. Got mine in February 2007. This was all I had that year:

- Resistance Fall of Man Multiplayer (pretty cool but nobody had a mic)
- Motorstorm demo (hey it was better than Gran Turismo Prologue)
- Ninja Gaiden Sigma (thank god for this game)
- Virtua Fighter 5 vanilla version with no online play
- Warhawk which was really cool for like an hour
- Call of Duty 4 (thank god for this as well)
- The original Uncharted with plastic graphics, simple puzzles, and as much if not more shooting than Uncharted 2. Also jetski level
- And a version of the Orange Box with a practically unplayable version of Team Fortress 2

So just think twice when you complain about a launch that will have a 60 FPS 64-player Battlefield game, a handful of indies, a full blown Killzone, Watch Dogs, a driving sim with high production values, a full blown Assassin's Creed, a new CoD, e.t.c. because the PS4's launch day lineup alone already trumps the PS3's entire first 12 months.

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JordanN said:

Not an article, but Amir0x rant was pretty awesome.

Dramatic reading edition.

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JordanN said:

Not an article, but Amir0x rant was pretty awesome.

Dramatic reading edition.

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crazepharmacist said:

Yeah, I played Warhawk for 5 years before I started to get bored of it. I still play it occasionally today. Definitely a triple A multiplayer experience that has not been matched on Xbox 360 since, in my opinion.

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Fortunately we have a product for people who aren’t able to get some form of connectivity, it’s called Xbox 360.

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We're delivering thousands of dollars of value to people, and I think they're going to love it when they use it.

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Shayan said:

with ps3, you got a blu ray player, HDMI 1.3 support , more powerful but painful to code for HW ie cutting edge tech. With Xbone you are getting a low powered machine that costs a 100$ more than superior competition. It is not the same scenario . Also online was free with ps3



wow, that guy was a mod?

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Burai said:

Lots of people here with revisionist history. The PS3 did not become a success by any metric. In order to get it to the point where it's posting respectable numbers Sony had to spend every penny of profit SCE had made since it's inception, lose 70million PS2 users to Xbox 360 and fire/lose most of their management.

Turning it around was a great achievement and PS4 will be all the stronger for it but to call it a success is being massively generous.

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Remember your old elementary school science lessons about potential and kinetic energy? Pull a rubber band taut and you give it potential energy; release it, and that energy becomes kinetic. Not to sound trite, but you might compare that rubber band to the relationship between silicon and software development. If the rubber band is, say, the Xbox 360's triple-core Xenon PowerPC-based processor or the Playstation 3's seven-core Cell CPU, either system manufacturer's software "devkit" becomes the hand stretching that rubber band to different degrees of tautness.

Recall the Sega Saturn, which had eleven processors plus dual CPUs. Sony's Playstation had just three (ah the irony). I remember reading something in (now defunct) Next Generation Magazine around the time the Saturn launched about how powerful the latter system was compared to the Playstation, but also how prohibitively difficult it was for developers to tap into that extra oomph. Sega further confused matters by shipping a devkit with the intelligibility of an underwater toaster. Sure, Sega's "rubber band" was much stronger and more extensible than the Playstation's, but the fingers doing the pulling might as well have been handcuffed thanks to Sega's byzantine development tools. Thus the Saturn failed, despite Sega's prior prominence in the 16-bit market with the Genesis.

Is the Playstation 3 the next Sega Saturn? Both systems were/are radical departures from prior platforms with experimentally complex multi-processor architectures. Compare the jump from Intel's Pentium 4 to its Core Duo and Core 2 Duo processors with corresponding chipset upticks, none of which come remotely close to jolting developers to the same extent as jumping from the PS2 to the PS3. (Though it's worth noting that the jump from single to dual-core processing has been a substantial challenge for developers looking to utilize Intel's second core effectively--parallel processing is a paradigm shift that requires significant retooling on any hardware platform.)

Developers were keen to berate the Saturn back in the mid-1990s, but they're staying mum about the PS3 today. GamePro managed to uncover a few semi-illuminating tidbits, reporting on a story in Dr. Dobb's software journal in which the authors claim "Software that exploits the Cell [processor's] potential requires a development effort significantly greater than traditional platforms." In an email to GamePro, Sony's product development group added further:

Since PS3's Cell processor allows more features -- better physics, more complex graphical processing, lighting or sound -- there is inevitably going to be more cost in supporting those extra features... It's not that PS3 is harder to write for, it's just that you can do more with it.

Of course what Sony calls "more you can do with it," most intelligent developers would equivocate with the same sort of learning curve that killed the Sega Saturn. No one's disputing it's more powerful at this point, but wrapping a Honda Civic around a V12 won't win you any races.

Imagine playing a sport like basketball with a certain ruleset, and say you've been playing for years. As a competitive athlete, you have to focus on mastering dribbling, passing, and shooting techniques which explicitly complement those rules. No running out of bounds, carrying without dribbling, etc. Now let's say the league decides to alter the rules dramatically, and I'm not just talking scoring or timing minutia, but--to make the analogy proportional--something radical, say having to dribble two or three basketballs at once. You might be able to do it (hey, plenty of reverse jugglers can!) but think of the practice and utter rethinking involved to do it effectively. Passing around three basketballs might increase your team's chances of landing a shot, but every tactical aspect of the game has to do a one-eighty.

The most damning element in the stack against the PS3, though, may be multi-platform games (mostly contributed by mega-publishers like EA and Ubisoft) which require costly re-engineering when porting to the PS3 architecture. Witness products like Marvel Ultimate Alliance and Spider-Man 3, which run smoothly on the 360 but often jerk conspicuously on the PS3, and occasionally in a way that actually interferes with the gameplay. Add the higher development costs (read: time) to port to the PS3, and you have a situation not altogether unlike the one Sega found itself in slightly more than a decade ago.

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