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[georly]

Ok, is anyone else going to comment on the unusual words he used in this post? Elucidation? Embodiment? Excellencies?

There is absolutely a coded message in here. Given all the words that begin with "E" it feels like E3 is somehow involved here

Hmmmm

Oh shit.

 

[Buttonbasher]

As the image shows, the contents on the screen of the device seem to match up with the top of the image from the video of the tech demo, and also appears, at a glance, to be showing a bit more of the right side. Which seems kinda weird for a tech demo unless you are actually controlling the camera.

That's not the case in the gif you quoted.

 

[Aostia]

obviously I hope for face physical buttons. and optional grips for in house use as a pad.
I would love something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udkU101fFOk

 

[qualitydisc]

Somebody recap summary me I fell asleep when it was on like 42 pages. Please. Rosti said some?

I second this request for a summary

 

[LegendofLex]

You missed the point of what I said. Typically (at least with Nintendo in particular) the patents that are released (not filed) before the product is unveiled don't resemble the final product this closely. One will undoubted show up after the unveiling, but the designs in the currently released patents are more likely just there for demonstration, and not representative of any final product.

Given how secretive and leak-paranoid Nintendo is when it comes to NX, what makes you think any developer has the "final product"?

They certainly didn't have the "final product" for the Wii U GamePad at this point in 2012; it wasn't unveiled until E3 2012. The Ubisoft Rayman Legends marketing video leaked in April 2012, showing a Wii U GamePad that used the original design from E3 2011.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Also, backwards compatibility with the Wii U. I thought they'd abandon that for the NX, but this thing would allow for it.

Wii U VC?

 

[udivision]

Oh shit.

So....... what does that mean? The leak is from the people running E3? They wouldn't have access to this stuff (yet) anyway.

The reveal is at E3? Well, no surprise there.

Don't get what it's supposed to mean....

 

[FarFromAnyGame]

I second this request. I think someone said the Valve gamepad uses haptic feedback?

The steam controller has haptic feedback and it's awesome. But that's for the track pad. Not sure how it would feel like on buttons

 

[maxcriden]

Oh shit.

Why the Gleethor quote? Is he an insider also?

 

[optimiss]

I'd rather not have the sticks protruding through the screen. Touch screen virtual buttons sound awful as well. How do you think something like this could work?

 

[doop_]

This isn't the first time Rösti has spoken like this and then had a vague backtrack. He did it twice in the NX thread that got locked. One was saying he would possibly have info to share and then not delivering on that because of "administration purposes" and then when pressed about it he uses his big words and vague statements and goes AWOL for awhile.

The controller is a fake, he's just upset that all these rumors and leaks are killing any positive buzz for the NX and It's frustrating that he knows what it is but can't talk about it nor confirm if this pic is fake or not.

I think he just shouldn't have hinted about knowing anything more than we do in this thread.

 

[Pokemaniac]

That's not the case in the gif you quoted.

From some very crude measurements, the right side seems to line up almost exactly with the edge of the screen, while the left side goes past the edge of the screen considerably. Though, I suppose that could just be perspective.

 

[georly]

Why the Gleethor quote? Is he an insider also?

His post is what brought it to my attention, nothing more.

So....... what does that mean? The leak is from the people running E3? They wouldn't have access to this stuff (yet) anyway.

The reveal is at E3? Well, no surprise there.

Don't get what it's supposed to mean....

It's just funny, if anything. My guess is that NX reveal is at E3, rather than sooner, as many are expecting, but who knows.

 

[emb]

I'd rather not have the sticks protruding through the screen. Touch screen virtual buttons sound awful as well. How do you think something like this could work?

Those kinds of buttons might work, but I don't see how the sticks would.

 

[maxcriden]

Unless Nintendo can get this cheap, i could see it being a bad idea. The gamepad was an albatross around their neck.

Although i also suspected that the console controller would have a screen in it, to ensure cross compatibility with the handheld which is definitely going to be dual-screen.

I don't think that's at all a sure thing. They could do a clean break with 3/DS and not offer BC/VC for those platforms, or it could be one large screen where you can see both screens from those prior gen games.

Also, backwards compatibility with the Wii U. I thought they'd abandon that for the NX, but this thing would allow for it.

Perhaps. But it could also be the handheld, so then the (default) controller for the console could have no screen in it. (I'm presuming you'll be able to use the handheld as a controller for the console).

His post is what brought it to my attention, nothing more.

Gotcha. Thank you.

 

[LegendofLex]

Those kinds of buttons might work, but I don't see how the sticks would.

Your thumbs will hook around the handles and rest below the screen.

 

[Gleethor]

His post is what brought it to my attention, nothing more.



It's just funny, if anything. My guess is that NX reveal is at E3, rather than sooner, as many are expecting, but who knows.

way to blow my cover

 

[Buttonbasher]

From some very crude measurements, the right side seems to line up almost exactly with the edge of the screen, while the left side goes past the edge of the screen considerably. Though, I suppose that could just be perspective.

Gotcha. I think if anything, that just lends credence to this being faked. If there were camera controls, the geometry wouldn't line up in the same ways as that gif is demonstrating.

 

[Dascu]

You missed the point of what I said. Typically (at least with Nintendo in particular) the patents that are released (not filed) before the product is unveiled don't resemble the final product this closely. One will undoubted show up after the unveiling, but the designs in the currently released patents are more likely just there for demonstration, and not representative of any final product.

First of all, there is no difference in patents before and after release. The patent does not change after it's filed as it is part of the application process and the claims of the document.

Second, just because previous patents of Nintendo, which may have focused on a particular aspect of the broader hardware/console/handheld, are more abstract, it does not mean that in this case that should be a knock against the photo. How many other ways would there even be of showing the patented non-rectangular screen? There's not that many variations of an oval-shaped controller. And adding in more physical buttons would be against the point of the screen in the first place.

Third, it would make a *ton* of sense for a devkit prototype to resemble the patent drawing very closely.


Point is, I don't know if this is a fake photo or not. And we don't know if it's a final commercial design or an early devkit prototype (latter being more likely anyway). But to dismiss it because it's too close to one of the patent drawings? That is idiotic and illogical.

 

[dickroach]

Your thumbs will hook around the handles and rest below the screen.

there's something disorienting about the placement though. I think left and right wouldn't feel like left and right

it's interesting though

 

[Pokemaniac]

Given how secretive and leak-paranoid Nintendo is when it comes to NX, what makes you think any developer has the "final product"?

They certainly didn't have the "final product" for the Wii U GamePad at this point in 2012; it wasn't unveiled until E3 2012. The Ubisoft Rayman Legends marketing video leaked in April 2012, showing a Wii U GamePad that used the original design from E3 2011.

So where is the patent from before the Wii U controller was unveiled which looks like either the final version or the E3 2011 version (which was basically the same thing, just with circle pads instead of sticks, and a slightly more cramped layout)?

 

[Kissenkopf]

Sooooo...last time i checked we were on page 37. Are we still not sure if it is a fake or not? And didnt want the leaker share a video of the controller?

 

[georly]

way to blow my cover

Way to blow your own! I was trying to keep your cover.

 

[LegendofLex]

Gotcha. I think if anything, that just lends credence to this being faked. If there were camera controls, the geometry wouldn't line up in the same ways as that gif is demonstrating.

Depends on how the demo is constructed. If they're just playing with rendering images on the second screen and moving the viewpoint around, there's no reason why they'd need 3D camera control - they could just pan the existing frames in the demo.

 

[Shadax the wizard]

From some very crude measurements, the right side seems to line up almost exactly with the edge of the screen, while the left side goes past the edge of the screen considerably. Though, I suppose that could just be perspective.

Ah okay, now I see what you were talking about earlier. Took me a while to catch on. That's a bit weird.

On an unrelated note, has there been any rumors regarding the resolution of this device?

 

[LegendofLex]

So where is the patent from before the Wii U controller was unveiled which looks like either the final version or the E3 2011 version (which was basically the same thing, just with circle pads instead of sticks, and a slightly more cramped layout)?

edit:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20110190052.pdf

Filed, Feb 2, 2011

 

[Kouriozan]

Sooooo...last time i checked we were on page 37. Are we still not sure if it is a fake or not? And didnt want the leaker share a video of the controller?

Yes and yes.
If legit, the guy should have took the video first, now the ninjas are going after him.

 

[TunaLover]

Is there a video?

 

[IntelliHeath]

I made a little animation showing the NX controller and that Unreal Engine 4 image. Interesting stuff!

I wonder if it's going to retain Wii U feature where you could moving around your Camera with gyro?

Interesting, it does kind of look like the periscope-esque functionality I was speculating about a few pages back.

Tell me a Pokemon Snap game like this wouldn't be amazing.

Pokemon Snap 2 didn't happens for Wii U so what is the chance it would happens for NX?

 

[Graphics Horse]

But would you be zooming in an actual scene or a flat representation of the scene?

I guess as an analogy you could imagine being in a room versus a picture of that room. With the picture, you can zoom in without any object changing its relative appearance or distance from each other. If you were in the room, however, even at the exact same angle the photograph was taken in, if you walked forward (simulating a zoom in) you would already change how the scene looks considerably.

I'm so sorry if I'm misunderstanding and just spitting out nonsense.

I was being very confusing sorry, I hadn't put much thought into physically zooming with your head, i was meaning basically scrolling over a larger 2D frame, so the picture one. Other methods could work too depending on the game but if this pic is genuine it would be picture style.

From some very crude measurements, the right side seems to line up almost exactly with the edge of the screen, while the left side goes past the edge of the screen considerably. Though, I suppose that could just be perspective.

it does look like that but is obviously true for the vertical anyway. having enough horizontal movement for being able to peek behind where the sticks are might make sense. that is assuming head tracking is a feature but I expect it to be.

 

[Kouriozan]

Is there a video?

Nah but the leaker said he wanted to take more pictures or a video of it.

 

[Babymario26]

Nah but the leaker said he wanted to take more pictures or a video of it.

... and when was that?

 

[DarkLegion]

I second this request for a summary

I'm also not caught up completely yet but I'll try to give a summary of what I've seen until someone makes something better, hope I get it right:

-DetectiveGAF found the screen on the controller is a cropped version of a 2 yr old UE4 demo
-Rosti posted in ascii I believe it was a vague post which implied this could be either real or fake.
-We still don't know if E.T. took the picture.
-Speculating this controller uses Tactus

This is just assuming the controller is real. I'm not caught up yet but I just posted a few noteworthy things I've seen so far. Hopefully helps you or some gaffers out!

 

[Pokemaniac]

edit:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20110190052.pdf

Filed, Feb 2, 2011

Published Aug 4, 2011

 

[Kouriozan]

... and when was that?

If you check reddit, he said that 21 hours ago.
Edit : https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoNX/comments/4avdcg/codename_nx/d13ud6w

 

[Roo]

Ok, is anyone else going to comment on the unusual words he used in this post? Elucidation? Embodiment? Excellencies?

There is absolutely a coded message in here. Given all the words that begin with "E" it feels like E3 is somehow involved here

The plot thickens (?)

 

[ForsakenLotus]

Depends on how the demo is constructed. If they're just playing with rendering images on the second screen and moving the viewpoint around, there's no reason why they'd need 3D camera control - they could just pan the existing frames in the demo.

Is there precedent for such a thing? Because when I hear people suggest that, it seems like a thin explanation for why the image not only fits perfectly but also why so much of it is cropped. Sure, there are different reasons for why the image on the prototype is what it is, but none of them seem as convincing as it simply just being fake.

 

[Pokemaniac]

First of all, there is no difference in patents before and after release. The patent does not change after it's filed as it is part of the application process and the claims of the document.

Second, just because previous patents of Nintendo, which may have focused on a particular aspect of the broader hardware/console/handheld, are more abstract, it does not mean that in this case that should be a knock against the photo. How many other ways would there even be of showing the patented non-rectangular screen? There's not that many variations of an oval-shaped controller. And adding in more physical buttons would be against the point of the screen in the first place.

Third, it would make a *ton* of sense for a devkit prototype to resemble the patent drawing very closely.

Put rather bluntly, it isn't like Nintendo to leak exact hardware designs through patents like this. It would be a bit careless of them if they did it this time.

Sooooo...last time i checked we were on page 37. Are we still not sure if it is a fake or not? And didnt want the leaker share a video of the controller?

Rosti posted a cryptic comment that a lot of people took as confirmation, but then they clarified that comment with a post that could be read either way.

The tech demo on the screen was identified, though some details of that have casted some doubt on whether or not the image is real.

This is the exact frame that was used. You can tell from the various parallax elements that converge at that moment ( pillars, branches etc. ).

Quick & dirty perspective overlay ( close enough though ) ...

Basically, it could still go either way, but I'm personally leaning more towards fake right now.

 

[ec0ec0]

If someone wants to read Rösti's posts, instead of looking for them on the thread, you can, obviously, just go to his post history. From there, you can use the links to go to the page where he originaly posted them. Click the following link and, then, click on "Find all post by Rösti":

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/member.php?u=94947

groundbreaking, i now. I'm just mentioning it because some people asked ealier if Rösti had said anything new.

 

[potatohead]

Hard to do this with no actual triggers.

Oh please, you shoot with your mind!

 

[LegendofLex]

Published Aug 4, 2011

Filing date is what counts with patents.

 

[Crazyorloco]

I'm also not caught up completely yet but I'll try to give a summary of what I've seen until someone makes something better, hope I get it right:

-DetectiveGAF found the screen on the controller is a cropped version of a 2 yr old UE4 demo

DetectiveGAF is amazing at finding out stuff.

Spoiler

Especially naming who a porn star is.

I think the controller will be similar to this. I do not think this is the final version of it. I know there will be triggers and/or a shell for it. I actually think the controller looks good and futuristic. It looks odd and like it would be uncomfortable for gameplay, but I haven't tried it so I won't render a verdict on this yet.

 

[opticalmace]

Ok, is anyone else going to comment on the unusual words he used in this post? Elucidation? Embodiment? Excellencies?

There is absolutely a coded message in here. Given all the words that begin with "E" it feels like E3 is somehow involved here

Nintendo at E3 confirmed.

 

[cartographer]

It sort of looks like HQ paper just glued to an object.

 

[Dweebo]

obviously I hope for face physical buttons. and optional grips for in house use as a pad.
I would love something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udkU101fFOk

This video had me so stoked and then I quickly realized Nintendo would never put something as cool as this out. Prove me wrong Nintendo, prove me wrong.

 

[georly]

Filing date is what counts with patents.

Not for the point he's trying to make. By august we had already SEEN the Wii U at E3.

name one time gaf saw a nintendo patent before the hardware was revealed and it looked just like the patent.

 

[SirPenguin]

Alright, I'm going full Hideo on this guy

Here are all the words - in order - that I deem "unusual", in that either the word itself is uncommon or that it appears he purposefully avoided a more obvious word

Elucidation
Embodiment
Representative
Interest
X
Distinguished
Excellencies
Individuals
Expressed
Indignation
Commotion
Express
Calibre
Properties
Clarification
Sufficient
Eligibility

Lots of E's. Using the first letter of each word we can spell things like "Epic", "Periscope", and others. There's also the mysterious "X" which you might first miss or assume is a typo, or is it a way to complete the coded message without resorting to shoehorning in a word that begins with X?

We must go deeper

 

[ClayKavalier]

Wii U VC?

I've been thinking that it would be pretty unlikely that Nintendo would double down on a touch screen controller given the Wii U's reception, but this could make sense. I'm sure they'd like the games they developed for Wii U to have legs, and if they try to market to people who play casually again there would be an amazing lineup of games to play play at launch for people who skipped the U.

 

[Maxim726X]

So....... what does that mean? The leak is from the people running E3? They wouldn't have access to this stuff (yet) anyway.

The reveal is at E3? Well, no surprise there.

Don't get what it's supposed to mean....

The big reveal is that the console is going to be debuted at E3 (which we've know for months?)???

Crazy, if true.

 

[Pokemaniac]

Filing date is what counts with patents.

But if it wasn't published until after the unveiling, does that really matter in this context?