You may be joking but they kind of are. Mathematics is usually used to justify injustice.
Not related to the topic, though.
I am ok with this. The DNC needs to suffer.
I'm at a loss for words right now.
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Sanders campaign requests removal of 2 DNC members, threatens to halt convention
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I'm at a loss for words right now.
Michael F. Assbender
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You may be joking but they kind of are. Mathematics is usually used to justify injustice.
Not related to the topic, though.
I am ok with this. The DNC needs to suffer.
Ew.
BotoxAgent
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Suffer, well I'm glad some people admit that this was never about democracy or progressive ideals....but to cause a chaos and disrupt, shades of Trump
Having a night to think about this, I stand by what I said earlier. I think it was within limits to make the request, and isn't "threaten to halt the convention" a bit of a stretch? I mean I know the majority of GAF have it out for him, but I think partiality works both ways. But back to my original point, Barney Frank I know especially doesn't like Bernie, so I think its reasonable for Bernie to want someone less biased.
RE: Cornell West: Well of course Bernie was going to pick someone he agreed with, was he not? And hey, for all the things Cornell says, he's more humane than any politician on Palestine, he acknowledges the link of racial discrimination to wealth inequality. Heck he even campaigned for Obama before attacking him, so I think his words are born out of a genuine disappointment.
Overall I don't think its that much of an issue, Sanders was naive to think he could just run a positive campaign. He was going against Hillary Clinton, someone who was destined to be president ever since Obama won. You kind of need methods like these in a Machiavellian sort of way, for the good of the people.
Last thing I want to say is a question: where were you guys when Hillary literally did not drop out until the last minute in 08? Heck that's even worse because Obama and Hillary were carbon copies of one another, with her being more of a warmonger but that's about it.
RE: Cornell West: Well of course Bernie was going to pick someone he agreed with, was he not? And hey, for all the things Cornell says, he's more humane than any politician on Palestine, he acknowledges the link of racial discrimination to wealth inequality. Heck he even campaigned for Obama before attacking him, so I think his words are born out of a genuine disappointment.
Overall I don't think its that much of an issue, Sanders was naive to think he could just run a positive campaign. He was going against Hillary Clinton, someone who was destined to be president ever since Obama won. You kind of need methods like these in a Machiavellian sort of way, for the good of the people.
Last thing I want to say is a question: where were you guys when Hillary literally did not drop out until the last minute in 08? Heck that's even worse because Obama and Hillary were carbon copies of one another, with her being more of a warmonger but that's about it.
jack_package_200
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Tyranny of the majority or whatever
Wait. It's Hillary Clinton's fault now that Sanders is in desperate mode doing all this BS?
She was the one holding a gun to his head when he threw PP under the bus with the rest and all?
Obama lost by being reelected?
And what kind of revisionist history are you trying to write where Clinton wasn't put on blast for not dropping out?
Do not drive today, you may have taken something.
Which is kind of funny since he had to drop out of a presidential race in the past because he was caught plagiarizing and lying about his past.
He is completely verifiably inauthentic.
You may be joking but they kind of are. Mathematics is usually used to justify injustice.
Not related to the topic, though.
I am ok with this. The DNC needs to suffer.
Man, super disappointed right now.
Yes, the DNC, who aims to benefit & further the interests of the most vulnerable people in America (LGBT, PoC, etc), needs to suffer because... your guy lost?I am ok with this. The DNC needs to suffer.
Gross.
And Franck is out because he doesn't like Sanders but West who doesn't like Clinton is ok?
I'm not saying that, I just don't blame him given the reality of the situation. No one expected him to come this far, heck people thought O'Malley would beat him! I think deep down he knows he aint gonna win, but by staying in here longer he can show the world just how popular and important his platform will be, especially in the future.
And_Gignac
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You can see how emotionally invested we all are with this drama (that no one will remember, care for after the convention) by how everyone who quoted me forgot to read the "not related to the topic" part of my post.
Bernie lost. The reasons are multiple, but he had his chance and failed. Him putting a bit of pressure against the DNC is only part of his future political goals, I guess.
There wont be a reconciliation, there cant be. But he wont ever dare to be the person who elected Trump.
Bernie lost. The reasons are multiple, but he had his chance and failed. Him putting a bit of pressure against the DNC is only part of his future political goals, I guess.
There wont be a reconciliation, there cant be. But he wont ever dare to be the person who elected Trump.
Michael F. Assbender
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Most of us were reacting to your comment about the DNC, which is related to the topic.
There always has been.
You don't blame him for trying to take advantage of small organizations seeking his help to defend their cause?
You don't blame him for inciting his supporters to cause chaos?
He could shoot a stranger on TimeSquare for no reason you would come up with an excuse.
excelsiorlef
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Umm most people are replying to your DNC should suffer part.
Link but not the end all be all that Sanders was pushing for forever
BrutishMrFish
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The only political goals he could possibly be advancing with this are "make everyone associate socialism with whiny baby-men" and "make it so he doesn't have to talk to anyone at work anymore."
As far as improving the acceptance and future chances of democratic socialist politicians, he's not helping.
Yeah, the sacrifice of the last major party behaving in a rational manner to meet the whims of an irrational ideologue and his cult.
I'd rather Trump win. Capitulating to Sanders will result in the same shit the GOP has gone through in capitulating to the southern strategy base turned Tea Party. That is all Sanders is, the leader of the left wing Tea Party. All he offers is more division, more ideology over fact, and more partisan rancor. Trump is a four year poison, letting Sanders extort the party opens the door for untold years of complete partisan fuckery at a time when there are national and global issues that need attention this decade.
Sanders and his cult can drive the nation off a cliff for the next four years if that is their response to not being allowed to destroy any chance at progress for the next 20-30.
Michael F. Assbender
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Bite your tongue. We have SCOTUS to worry about.
And_Gignac
Member
Well the suffer part was just tongue in cheek. My "
" wasnt clear enough, I guess. The DNC is not a holy place of fairness and justice, it is an institution that has humans interacting with power, it is not above criticism.
Bernie is justified to use the electorate mandate he has garnered to further his positions against the ideological mafia that controls part of the economic / foreign policy message of the democratic party since The Ronald.
Well the suffer part was just tongue in cheek. My "
The DNC is not a holy place of fairness and justice, it is an institution that has humans interacting with power, it is not above criticism.
Bernie is justified to use the electorate mandate he has garnered to further his positions against the ideological mafia that controls part of the economic / foreign policy message of the democratic party since The Ronald.
And yet Bernie decides to slander a HIV/AIDS volunteer foundation.
Your use of terms like mafia dont persaude people you were just exaggratting..
So the narrative went to "Vote Clinton to stop Trump!' to just "Vote Clinton because Bernie is worse than Trump." The fact is "Bernie and his cult" are for wealth equality, not treating Palestinians like second class citizens, not inciting wars and violence on a foreign level etc.
I can't believe Bernie's mild left wing policies that are already in place in Europe and Canada are called the "left wing tea party".
I'm half of a mind to say fuck SCOTUS, if we have to choose between conservative SCOTUS for the next 30 years and having to deal with whiny left tea party for 30 years at least the conservative SCOTUS can make sense at times.
He doesn't give a shit about wealth inequality, Palestinian (seriously who does, they're mostly political football at this point) or anything.
He clearly doesn't care that he's making a bad name for his brand anyway.
And I'm from Europe by the way and we wouldn't elect this guy either.
There's a reason Jean Luc Melenchon is an irrelevant douchebag and not even part of the current leftist coalition.
Ha! Good, man
Seeing as how Sanders is polling ahead of Trump and Clinton is polling below Trump maybe they should be listening to him?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/hillary-clinton-now-loses_b_10102664.html&
Unless of course they want Trump as president.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/hillary-clinton-now-loses_b_10102664.html&
Unless of course they want Trump as president.
That's not what people are referring to when they say left wing tea party. It's the ideological bullshit like purity tests that mirror the tea party that people are referring too. Either you are with Bernie 100% or are part of the establishment. Thinking like this is the issue.
Your posts are entirely incoherent.
jack_package_200
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Once again: fuck the will of the voters, right?
It's not about the policy, it's about the methods and approach to others with the same goals.
googleplex
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Yep.
Wasn't the argument before "bite your tongue we have SCOTUS to worry about"?
excelsiorlef
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You're advocating for the largest disenfranchisement of black voters since Jim Crow because of polling about a candidate who flat out has not actually been vetted by the media or the DNC or Clinton, and you're using an HA Goodman article to justify it, in a thread about the Sanders camp trying to extort the DNC with threats of another Nevada.
Congrats.
To get a Trump of the Left in 10 years?
BotoxAgent
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Except Bernies criticism is absolutely baseless. He is whining because he is losing. The only fault the DNC has made recently was playing nice to a self entitled baby who can't accept reality.
Yup. Going down in flames like this is doing nothing but making sure anyone who is a socialist doesn't get a platform for a long ass time, for completely different reasons than before.
So what you are saying is... Hillary or bust?!
AntraxSuicide
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As long as Cornell West is there, Sanders can screw off. He had political capital going into this thing, but I can confidently say he used it on that pick.
Michael F. Assbender
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Well the suffer part was just tongue in cheek. My "
The DNC is not a holy place of fairness and justice, it is an institution that has humans interacting with power, it is not above criticism.
Bernie is justified to use the electorate mandate he has garnered to further his positions against the ideological mafia that controls part of the economic / foreign policy message of the democratic party since The Ronald.
Smileys are a lot less effective when you're saying something that a worrying number of Sanders supporters actually believe.
And of course the DNC can be criticized. Hoping for its downfall (or in Sanders' case, actively working toward it) isn't constructive criticism.
Finally, I'd argue Sanders should have no expectation with regard to his electorate mandate, given that he's come in a distant second and according to DNC rules (which he was aware of before joining the Party), he should have little say in the party platform. That they've already capitulated to his demands shows they're far more willing to work with him than he is with them.
googleplex
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Sanders and his ilk have a complete disdain for the Democratic process. Revolutionaries aren't voted in dude.
jack_package_200
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Also I just noticed TI82 linked to HA Goodman.
Hillary supporters on NeoGAF want a democrat to campaign against Bernie for his senate seat. They aren't going to forget.
They think he is worse than Trump.
I'm not making this up. They have overwhelmingly agreed that Bernie is worse than Trump.
I don't understand it. I can see why people don't like his campaign. I don't like his campaign. His campaign has been poorly managed and many of the people Bernie has chosen to surround himself with in his campaign are awful, but to say that Bernie is as bad or worse than Trump is ridiculous.
Come on, guys. Bernie isn't this awful person that you claim him to be. He isn't Trump.
The campaign's actions come from the top and if he cant control it, he doesn't deserve public office.
Blaming a campaign's toxicity on anything other then the candidate while running for PRESIDENT is an instant get the hell out of politics, you dont deserve running for any office that matters.
Obviously false. So obviously false that I am willing to give you TWO hours to prove this or recant it or face utter embarrassment!
BrutishMrFish
Member
It's still possible to be a shitty person without being as bad as Trump, and at this point Bernie fits the bill.
BotoxAgent
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Michael F. Assbender
Banned
What does that have to do with what he said?
Your posts are making my head hurt.
If anyone here actually thinks Bernie Sanders is worse than Donald Trump, they're in the extreme minority. And as someone who has spoken up against the "Bernie or Bust" crowd, I've got to say I'm feeling equally ashamed of any "liberal" who would put Sanders below a bloviating, lying, two-faced, racist, sexist, xenophobic asshole like Trump.
Sure, Sanders is pissing me off with his shitty tactics lately. But if he's shit, Trump is the pus inside an infected boil on a dictator's unwashed ballbag. Fuck that guy. Seriously. Fuck the hell out of him.
Intheflorsh
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That is verbatim a Bernie or Bust line with one thing changed.
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