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[Punished Miku]

So then that's where I'm confused with their next "possible" strategy. Like......how does MS expect this to work exactly. If they make the next Halo game next-gen only and not for Xbox Series consoles................then the game will have to work on a super underpowered handheld. How does that compete with a PS6 only game?



So does this make sense to you then? Because I can't get my head around it.

I'm expecting it'll be able to run games at very low resolution and upscale with AI. Even lower on a small screen.

And then if a game doesn't want to be held back, it wont work on it. Not every single PC game is steam deck verified. That's really all it is. It's an optional handheld you can buy to play all your BC games, your indie games, and a large chunk of current gen games. They just did a preview showing Baldur's Gate 3 at 30 fps on ARM, and that was supposedly a challenging Series S game.

Even if it stays a whole gen behind, it's a nice option to play for indies and tons and tons of PC games.

 

[Dorfdad]

The current leak is that the handheld is as powerful as the Series X. My guess is that the handheld is next year and that the new console would come out in 2026. The Series X & and handheld would effetely be the Series S console. Which is why now you have the discless one for $450.

So the handheld which becomes a portable series X would be a pretty powerful handheld to be fair u less they tweak down the gpu and cpus for efficiency. I also believe a new pc/console hybrid is on the table but that handheld is going to have to have a dock that upscales to whatever the console is. They can’t expect people will buy both units. Developers are not going to be happy about 3 specs buildouts. Mobile / docked / new console.

$350.00 handheld
$250.00 Dock to get to console specs

New console $599.99

 

[SEGAvangelist]

After yesterday, TAKE ALL MY MONEY!

 

[Dacvak]

After yesterday, TAKE ALL MY MONEY!

No kidding. That was a fire showcase. I might even plug my Xbox back in today!

 

[mckmas8808]

Oh I have said before this fabled handheld will likely hold back yet another gen especially the much higher priced Xbox/PC that people talk about (which is the one that would compete with the PS6)

Man.....if true I'll never root for you to be more wrong in my life LOL!!! Geez. I hate that this might be a real thing.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Man.....if true I'll never root for you to be more wrong in my life LOL!!! Geez. I hate that this might be a real thing.

MS may go full stop at any moment but, that said, especially after this weekend I am even more convinced they are moving forward with a handheld and a higher end Xbox/PC

I would wager large sums of money on it

 

[Oppoi]

Oh I have said before this fabled handheld will likely hold back yet another gen especially the much higher priced Xbox/PC that people talk about (which is the one that would compete with the PS6)

God I love competition!

 

[Audiophile]

If they lock a next-gen platform in with a handheld (rather than making it legacy + native), while occupying only a small corner of the market...I wonder if many devs will just skip it altogether and go PC+PS5/PS6.

 

[djjinx2]

If they lock a next-gen platform in with a handheld (rather than making it legacy + native), while occupying only a small corner of the market...I wonder if many devs will just skip it altogether and go PC+PS5/PS6.

It will be windows based so it's impossible to get skipped?

That trillion dollar company ain't stupid as people think

 

[mayham2199]

The current leak is that the handheld is as powerful as the Series X. My guess is that the handheld is next year and that the new console would come out in 2026. The Series X & and handheld would effetely be the Series S console. Which is why now you have the discless one for $450.

lol there's no way they are making a handheld as powerful as the Series X. DF doubted they could make one as powerful as the Series S.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

lol there's no way they are making a handheld as powerful as the Series X. DF doubted they could make one as powerful as the Series S.

Power of about the Series S is what I have heard from very unofficial people

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

Power of about the Series S with Nvidia dlss

 

[Del_X]

Oh I have said before this fabled handheld will likely hold back yet another gen especially the much higher priced Xbox/PC that people talk about (which is the one that would compete with the PS6)

They could just not force parity.

Not very Xbox game needs to support the handheld and I think it’s insane to expect it to.

My guess is it’s effectively a series s with a little more RAM and AI upscaling, so internal resolutions scaling down to 360-480p will be common.

 

[schaft0620]

So the handheld which becomes a portable series X would be a pretty powerful handheld to be fair u less they tweak down the gpu and cpus for efficiency. I also believe a new pc/console hybrid is on the table but that handheld is going to have to have a dock that upscales to whatever the console is. They can’t expect people will buy both units. Developers are not going to be happy about 3 specs buildouts. Mobile / docked / new console.

$350.00 handheld
$250.00 Dock to get to console specs

New console $599.99

GPU and CPU power is not hot swappable and the components would have to be essentially connected at the PCB like an NES cartridge for that to work.


The handheld is like a ROG Ally and in the price range of the expensive one.

 

[Dorfdad]

GPU and CPU power is not hot swappable and the components would have to be essentially connected at the PCB like an NES cartridge for that to work.


The handheld is like a ROG Ally and in the price range of the expensive one.

Than it won’t suffice as a series X I understand the hot swappable stuff I’m just saying they can redesign an older chip which the x will be by 2026 for sure. That would save them a lot of money or they will have to go with a zen 5 which is expected. Ally struggles with 1080p on most game hogwarts was dragging so bad. I sold it recently cause it’s not really good

 

[Unrivaledx88]

ppl that say 6 yrs or less for a next gen console is perfect or great timing are just ppl that chase new Hardware and higher power on Consoles. They aren’t tru console gamers. These ppl belong on a PC if that’s what yall are looking for go for that hardware . Console need a healthy life cycle in my opinion.

 

[M1chl]

Who the fuck wants a Xbox Handheld? You can already play on the cloud on the go, so buy some Razer Kishi or something like that and boom. Its already there. As we see with hanhelds like SteamDeck, Rog Ally, etc. They are limited on compute side, they are massive, lasts 2 hours and not really ready for mainstream. Few nerds on the internet and Valve Simps does not mean that handheld from some other company would work. Especially from MS.

 

[baphomet]

Power of about the Series S is what I have heard from very unofficial people

Were multiple years from having a Series S in any sort of handheld form factor.

 

[PeteBull]

Power of about the Series S is what I have heard from very unofficial people

I think it would be doable on 3nm node, so maybe 2025 holidays? or 2026 for sure then

 

[mckmas8808]

Power of about the Series S is what I have heard from very unofficial people

So basically the same power as the "reported rumor" of the Nintendo Switch 2 then. That's interesting......

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

Who the fuck wants a Xbox Handheld?

I agree but for a different reason, there are things that only work with Nintendo, this includes handhelds, we know that the Xbox has poor sales so Microsoft needs to make new hardware but unfortunately it will flop too.

 

[clarky]

Who the fuck wants a Xbox Handheld? You can already play on the cloud on the go, so buy some Razer Kishi or something like that and boom. Its already there. As we see with hanhelds like SteamDeck, Rog Ally, etc. They are limited on compute side, they are massive, lasts 2 hours and not really ready for mainstream. Few nerds on the internet and Valve Simps does not mean that handheld from some other company would work. Especially from MS.

Raises hand.

A Gamepass machine and plays all my BC library all the way back to OG Xbox? Factor in my very extensive steam library on top on I'd buy one in a heartbeat if the form factor is right.

 

[adamsapple]

Power of about the Series S is what I have heard from very unofficial people

A handheld device which has equivalent specs to a Series S would be pretty impressive. Wonder what the price structure could be.

 

[clarky]

A handheld device which has equivalent specs to a Series S would be pretty impressive. Wonder what the price structure could be.

Very expensive, I'd guess they'd have to sell it with a game pass subscription to subsidise it, like a mobile phone

 

[Sanepar]

So the handheld which becomes a portable series X would be a pretty powerful handheld to be fair u less they tweak down the gpu and cpus for efficiency. I also believe a new pc/console hybrid is on the table but that handheld is going to have to have a dock that upscales to whatever the console is. They can’t expect people will buy both units. Developers are not going to be happy about 3 specs buildouts. Mobile / docked / new console.

$350.00 handheld
$250.00 Dock to get to console specs

New console $599.99

$599 is not enough for premium hardware I would say around $899

 

[Kacho]

I just can't wrap my head around the future of Xbox. Their actions and messaging are all over the place. It's tearing me apart!

adamsapple can you whisper nice things into my ear to put my mind at ease? We're seriously not getting a mid-gen refresh? Wtf man!

 

[adamsapple]

I just can't wrap my head around the future of Xbox. Their actions and messaging are all over the place. It's tearing me apart!

adamsapple can you whisper nice things into my ear to put my mind at ease? We're seriously not getting a mid-gen refresh? Wtf man!

 

[GoldenEye98]

I think it would be doable on 3nm node, so maybe 2025 holidays? or 2026 for sure then

Series S uses around 70-75Watts when running games. Would probably require 2nm for it to get down to ~20Watts.

 

[Dorfdad]

ppl that say 6 yrs or less for a next gen console is perfect or great timing are just ppl that chase new Hardware and higher power on Consoles. They aren’t tru console gamers. These ppl belong on a PC if that’s what yall are looking for go for that hardware . Console need a healthy life cycle in my opinion.

Agree especially when games take 3-4 years to make. We’re seeing 1 IP game per generation now for some franchises. If you want mass games we’re going to be getting smaller visual difference as most engines get small tweaks throughout the gen.

I’m not sure about 10 year life cycles without refreshes but we shouldn’t expect 3-5 cycles. Gaming is starting to be influenced by disposable technology and iPhone cycles which isn’t good for gaming.

 

[Rob_27]

Bring on more hardware. Always a good thing. I would buy the handheld. May even be interested in the big one as well.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Power of about the Series S is what I have heard from very unofficial people

With more RAMs.

 

[Stafford]

So we still think late 2026? I can see Gears of War being a launch game, that would be quite something.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

Talking about the next generation is the priority, the xbox will improve as the community provides constant constructive criticism.