Syphon Filter
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how is that an xbox? just remove the name then.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I never said they'd be released next week. I said it can happen. It's not impossible.
But it is technically possible, no?
Deadly serious. No shitposting here.
Look, all I'm suggesting is that it's possible for a console to be as powerful as the most powerful PC. I understand it would be wildly expensive, but it's still possible.
We have laptops with different specs. Why not different spec consoles?
Radical_3d
Member
Letting aside that we are talking about an hybrid console let’s assume that Xbox launches a 3.000€ console with a 5090. The current 4090 doesn’t moves, as per DF, all games at maximum 4K/60. If I remember correctly one of them was No Rest For The Wicked. Let alone 8K/120. A 600€ console in 2026 won’t hit 4K native/60 in every game.
coffinbirth
Member
Except Series S has RT, and regularly displays games at far higher resolutions than 720p. Elden Ring is 1440p, for example. There are also native 4K games. and 1440p games running @120FPS, like Warzone. So, LITERALLY incorrect. Just look at a Steam Deck ffs, it's already old tech and can still most new "AAA" games.
Also, Baldurs Gate III, a game that infamously struggled to get on Series S. running on ARM presented by Microsoft themselves last month, on current tech...not "two years away" disputes your other claim, DIRECTLY.
Snapdragon X Elite spotted running Baldur's Gate 3 at around 30fps, supporting claims that Windows games 'just work' on ARM chip
Qualcomm's chip might be good for a spot of gaming on the go.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
That's fine. I'd pay £3000 or more for a console with a 5090 GPU or equivalent, 5TB SSD, 64GB GDDR, some bleeding edge liquid metal x Water cooling hybrid etc.
Something that pushes tech to the absolute limits should be an option. That's all I'm saying
Crayon
Member
If nothing else, it's for optics. This gives them a way to support existing customers and their libraries. If they just said go play your games on pc it would be a disaster.
Just the potential cult revolt alone would be worth it. Suicide hotlines would be on fire if they just said they're ending xbox. A pc with an xbox sticker on the front is all they need to keep the faith, though.
clarky
Gold Member
Erm that would be something called a PC mate.
Radical_3d
Member
Warzone as in PS4’s Warzone? Elden Ring as in PS4’s Elden Ring?Except Series S has RT, and regularly displays games at far higher resolutions than 720p. Elden Ring is 1440p, for example. There are also native 4K games. and 1440p games running @120FPS, like Warzone. So, LITERALLY incorrect. Just look at a Steam Deck ffs, it's already old tech and can still most new "AAA" games.
Also, Baldurs Gate III, a game that infamously struggled to get on Series S. running on ARM presented by Microsoft themselves last month, on current tech...not "two years away" disputes your other claim, DIRECTLY.
Snapdragon X Elite spotted running Baldur's Gate 3 at around 30fps, supporting claims that Windows games 'just work' on ARM chip
Qualcomm's chip might be good for a spot of gaming on the go.www.pcgamer.com
Ok.
And Baldur’s Gate is a heavily CPU burdened game. Of course a good ARM would help over a Zen 2 (I think even M1 is more powerful than a PS5’s CPU). Still doesn’t do shit for the GPU.
coffinbirth
Member
LMAO, you are PROVING MY POINT.
Jinzo Prime
Member
There has to be demand for a product you are trying to sell. There is no market for an £3000 console.
Radical_3d
Member
Do you really expect many cross gen games by 2026?
coffinbirth
Member
Sure there is. You're interacting with them right now.
If manufacturing Xbox consoles were to be opened up to OEM, such as the rumor goes, then it would probably be available as a day one option as an "Ultimate Xbox" build from MSI or AlienWare or whatever.
Jinzo Prime
Member
I don't see many people buying a top end Xbox OEM device unless it can do all the other things a normal Windows PC can do. It will all come down to how Microsoft implements "Xbox" as a distributor going forwards.
coffinbirth
Member
I really don't expect any games that fundamentally couldn't be ran on far weaker hardware, no. (GTA VI would be THE exception, but that will run like ass on a PS5 too, in all likelihood.)
Kinda like how I can play Helldivers 2 on a nearly 10 year old pc, mate.
It's called scalable software, and I'm pretty sure it's already been a proven quantity this generation with the rise of portable gaming devices popping up left, right and center. Not really sure what you're even trying to argue at this point.
coffinbirth
Member
100%
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Likely the only thing you wont be able to do with it is upgrade it, as it stands right now anyhow
coffinbirth
Member
It's always struck me as odd that Phil talked about his desire for a modular console, and then Series released with a PCIE expansion port...and it's only used for storage. Theoretically they could release a modular upgrade to Series, that IMO, would be a decent solution to mid-gen console upgrades. And yeah, I had the Sega Tower of Power growing up.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
It's an interesting idea but the leadership of the Xbox division will ruin everything.
Third party manufacturers will demand to profit from hardware this is the alpha reason for this model to fail but Microsoft knows this, will they be willing to make the biggest subsidy in the history of the video game industry? I don't know, it's business not philanthropy.
the Beta reason why this model fails is that there are more spec variations, you know the xbox series S has raised complaints, you could argue that being a pc the new xbox would receive the same treatment - I say, that's bad - the devs They will never optimize because there will be the thought ''download the graph yourself or buy a more powerful Microsoft Machine''
The reason Gama makes this type of model fail is the possible division of the baby, you know an xbox with steam is not a PC but it is not a console either, it will be bad as a PC and maybe bad as a console. Will Microsoft give up charging to play online? PC nobody pays that, how to equate this?
The only way this model can work is for Microsoft to corrupt Playstation's leadership into giving up on the winning model of having dedicated hardware built in house.
I liked the xbox 360 but honestly the modern xbox isn't worth it, on the PC you can play Hellblade 2 at 60fps, no black bar, imho xbox is doomed I don't recommend it, even a future version with Steam.
coffinbirth
Member
You're not playing Hellblade 2 at Xbox Series X levels on a $500 pc, right? Can we agree on that? Now if you take that logic and apply it to next gen hardware, and throw in the fact that it can ALSO play PC games, well now...that's called a selling point.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
StereoVsn
Member
At that point though would folks pay $/€/£ 3K for that? I think there is a line where a high end non upgradable “Xbox” can sell, but not for higher end PC money.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Its where the more price friendly dockable comes into play
I still think they want to launch their big boy system in the same window as GTA 6 in hopes it helps move some for us hardcore gamers
Personally I wont be buying it since I have a nice gaming PC unless that very thing happens
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Isn’t it due out 2026?
Will be a year off (give or take) from GTAVI release if the case.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
That's what this guy thinks who made this Tweet
I personally still think its sooner
coffinbirth
Member
You're basically describing the difference in pricing between building your own rig or getting a prebuilt anyways...
Shit doesn't make sense to me as I build my own computers, but that premium markup is eye-watering, and they seem to do alright too.
Now, the question is would these be pre-configured SKU's mandated by Microsoft and produced by Microsoft, or OEM? If it's OEM, it seems like there would almost certainly be some proprietary module for sandboxing/security. Otherwise we're talking about Xbox going forward as some sort of front end for pc or something.
There are a few different ways this could all shake out.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
main sku of the new generation xbox is the xbox handheld, it will be the first to test the model.
next gen Xbox will be made by third-party manufacturers all in the same family.
In some ways it will be a step back compared to the Xbox Series X because the hardware will be more powerful but the games will have to run on the Xbox Game Pass Machine, which means the software will be simpler
I believe
xbox series x = GameCube
Next Xbox = Wii
next gen Xbox will be made by third-party manufacturers all in the same family.
In some ways it will be a step back compared to the Xbox Series X because the hardware will be more powerful but the games will have to run on the Xbox Game Pass Machine, which means the software will be simpler
I believe
xbox series x = GameCube
Next Xbox = Wii
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
The big "leak" everyone shares from Discord says it will be OEM which opens up a huge can of worms imo
I used to build my own PCs but recently I have been buying prebuilts as I am over building my own and yeah some of the premium markups are crazy which begs the question who builds these and how much markup will there be with certain builders?
So many potential pitfalls going OEM but current plan isnt working hardware sales wise
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Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
If Microsoft wants to be successful, all manufacturers will have to be included without limits on models per manufacturer
MS just wants to own the prebuilt market and call it ''xbox''
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Guess I should have worded it who would want to take on that endeavor of building these OEM machines that might have a hard time finding buyers
StereoVsn
Member
Oh sure, but how big is the market for high end “Xbox” which isn’t covered by pre-builts? Why would someone pay high end money (talking over say $2K) for a non upgradable device?
And it’s not like a gaming laptop which is actually portable to an extent.
Either way it’s going to be an interesting move to watch by MS. Personally I don’t see it succeeding, but who knows.
coffinbirth
Member
I'm of the mind that the options were being weighed for next gen, but they ran out of time and re-upped their deal with AMD. They publicly stated they were looking into either licensing or emulating AMD tech for "future compatibility" prior to this. Pair that with their obvious intent to get Windows games running on ARM, and it sure seems like they are trying to make the Xbox ecosystem as far-reaching as possible, and can introduce any of these options down the line if they did indeed decide to produce these themselves. Going OEM just seems like too crazy a move at the onset of this type of transition, but who knows!
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
as I posted on the wall text- read it, it's interesting .
Microsoft basically needs to guarantee profits to those who build OEM machines, this means subsidizing or covering possible losses, we are talking about financial madness here or I'm sorry to say, it will fail like 3DO failed. (Obviously we are talking about rumors, everything can change).
coffinbirth
Member
Again, the "high-end" device is not a road I see them really take unless OEM gets involved. I'm sure that wouldn't be a thing Microsoft would try to produce themselves.
The real selling point of this approach is simply in having a next gen console that can also play pc games. It's really just as simple as that.
StereoVsn
Member
Either way it’s going to be pretty interesting to see what happens.
coffinbirth
Member
pasterpl
Member
I would be happy with 4K 60fps with Ray Tracing
Crayon
Member
I wouldn't do a normal prebuild but I like the idea of a more console-like machine. One problem with that though, is that you get into an upgrade cycle on your pc. I don't spend that much on pc parts but I'm still in that cycle and my pc never feels old enough to replace wholesale.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
Microsoft missed a golden opportunity they could have announced the Xbox handheld and saved this generation however it seems they decided to try to save it with bundles and gamepass. Honestly, I don't see the Xbox having a significant increase in sales so they burned many of these games when they could associate them with the next generation. Strategically a mistake I would say.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Man.......if it's the bolded, then MS will be REALLY underpowered for the PS6 generation.
schaft0620
Member
HeisenbergFX4 Tell me it's 2025 again, to cure my anxiety.
The current leak is that the handheld is as powerful as the Series X. My guess is that the handheld is next year and that the new console would come out in 2026. The Series X & and handheld would effetely be the Series S console. Which is why now you have the discless one for $450.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
No, rumor says that MS will provide reference specifications for third party manufacturers to build their Xbox. This means unlimited power as the Xbox will be a prebuilt PC. The handheld will probably be the minimum, but all from the same family.
Do you remember PC Large Pixels Collider ?
This is one of the many builds we can expect in the future ''Xbox'' if the rumor is true, except for SLI which has become obsolete.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
No, rumor says that MS will provide reference specifications for third party manufacturers to build their Xbox. This means unlimited power as the Xbox will be a prebuilt PC. The handheld will probably be the minimum, but all from the same family.
Do you remember PC Large Pixels Collider ?
This is one of the many builds we can expect in the future ''Xbox'' if the rumor is true, except for SLI which has become obsolete.
So what will the minimum be? Because games will have to have that as their floor for development.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Who knows. But Unreal 5 is just now getting rolling. We're not getting an Unreal 6 anytime soon. They know the engine well at this point. Just make a box that can play top tier Unreal 5 stuff at 60 - 120 fps, or have multiple models. It'll probably hold up for years. It'll have AI up rez shit too I'm sure.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But will that Xbox Next handheld compete with a proper PS6 that may release 2 years after it?
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
That's almost surely impossible. It'll probably have to have a "Xbox verified" tag for games it works on.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
So Xbox will have three failed generations in the span of 2?
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
The handheld wont, no
Maybe
Not saying its going to work for them in the end, just saying its going to happen
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So then that's where I'm confused with their next "possible" strategy. Like......how does MS expect this to work exactly. If they make the next Halo game next-gen only and not for Xbox Series consoles................then the game will have to work on a super underpowered handheld. How does that compete with a PS6 only game?
So does this make sense to you then? Because I can't get my head around it.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Oh I have said before this fabled handheld will likely hold back yet another gen especially the much higher priced Xbox/PC that people talk about (which is the one that would compete with the PS6)