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Star Wars Mafia |OT| A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

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Zatoth

Member
Setre said:
Something’s bothered me since we crashed landed on this Force forsaken planet and it’s why no one seems to suspect Terrabyte20xx. The arguments for not suspecting him are as simple as why would a Hutt put themselves in the spotlight so early? But as we can clearly see everyone, so far as I can tell, doesn’t suspect him at all anymore. His reasoning for doing what he did was to get the game going, I respect that, but as soon as the heat started to come down on him he immediately gives his reasoning instead of letting it build.

He contradicts himself when he's explaining why he did what he did. This doesn't seem to bother anyone else but it does me.

Of course he'd say this if he was a Hutt. As I mentioned earlier as soon as someone voted for him he gave his reasoning. Maybe if I were under the same pressure I'd do that to but it's still suspicious in my eyes.

Something I'd like people who've already made up there minds to consider. I don't make the most compelling arguments though. Moving on to more recent events now...
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I don't really see how he contradicts himself. He said that he choose Palmer because he has experience and would therefore be able to defend himself.

Not seeing how the second quote is saying something different. Maybe I am missing something.

Setre said:
LoC seems pretty adamant about Detaining someone on Day 1. Most likely, with the information we have right now, we'd end up Detaining a fellow Rebel. The Hutts are going to kill someone during the Night and it's not going to be one of their own. So if we vote for someone now that'll be two less Rebels the Hutts have to deal with.
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Unless we are incredible lucky we will detain a lot of Rebels during this game. This will not change by waiting for day 2 to start voting.
 
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MattyG

Banned
Time remaining in the current day phase:
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Current votes
13 votes are needed for a majority descision
Names with a strike voted and then unvoted

No Detain (2)
Palmer_v1
Makai
QuantumBro
exmachina64

exmachina64 (7)
Terrabyte20xx
QuantumBro
Lord of Castamere
Blargonaut
Zippedpinhead
Matt Attack
TheWorthyEdge
raindoc
eJawa

TheWorthyEdge (2)
CzarTim
Barrylocke
exmachina64
Rymuth
Palmer_v1

Rymuth (1)
CzarTim

OceanicAir (1)
traube

Lord of Castamere (1)
Zubz

Blargonaut (0)
Blargonaut
eJawa

CzarTim (0)
Lord of Castamere

swamped (0)
traube
Lord of Castamere
TheWorthyEdge

Zubz (0)
TheWorthyEdge

Palmer_v1 (0)
Terrabyte20xx

Terrabyte20xx (0)
exmachina64
 
T

TheWorthyEdge

Member
Because i still do have suspicions over him I'm keeping my vote on Exmachina. I feel like he admitted defeat and then took a while to respond because he realized he could've hurt his teammates.
 
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TheWorthyEdge

Member
traube said:
I don't really see how he contradicts himself. He said that he choose Palmer because he has experience and would therefore be able to defend himself.

Not seeing how the second quote is saying something different. Maybe I am missing something.



Unless we are incredible lucky we will detain a lot of Rebels during this game. This will not change by waiting for day 2 to start voting.
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Woah. What...I really hope this is a mess up.
 
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Zippedpinhead

Member
johnnyquicknives said:
suspicious
Zippedpinhead has posted a moderate amount of times, enough to be noticed anyway, but mostly only commented about Mafia as a game in general and not about specifics to do with this game. It strikes me as the type of play a Hutt would go for in day 1, stay visible, appear knowledgeable, avoid most real discussion.
TheWorthyEdge, damnit, constantly making me change my opinion. Obviously there have been reasons discussed from the start that make him suspicious. I feel his level of experience seems to move all over the place depending whats happening. This post really didn't sit right with me:
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Truthfully, I haven't been posting as much and I know it but it's an out of game reason, so I left it in email tags.. But I can see why you feel I am suspicious. Maybe it's just coming off the victory. After thinking on it for a day, I can see why he might have thought it's a good idea to claim mafia. You get the pile on, which can show people lurking and not posting. May help identify mafia, also gets some interesting dialogue. I don't agree, and feel that it is not something that should be claimed, but I can see the merits.

I'm trying to get a good bead on all of you, but it is tough, I'm thinking that LoC is pushy, but not in a bad way, rymuth is kinda weird, but not getting a hutt vibe. I'm still not getting a hutt vibe from worthy or Palmer. I think you, johnnyquickknives, are a rebel, this is pretty in depth and I'm not sure a hutt would try this level of "analysis" on day 1.

My gut tells me that if exmachina Isn't hutt, then someone on the pile is hutt.
Exmachina64 could still be hutt though.


I'll vote a little later on today and wait for this dust to settle more.

unvote=exmachina64
 
Z

Zatoth

Member
People should keep unvoting exmachina64, if we are not going to detain him.

Assuming he is a Rebel it would be in the interest of the Empire to keep the votes on him.
 
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exmachina64

Banned
TheWorthyEdge said:
Because i still do have suspicions over him I'm keeping my vote on Exmachina. I feel like he admitted defeat and then took a while to respond because he realized he could've hurt his teammates.
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If I was a Hutt, I wouldn't post in this thread nearly as much. I also wouldn't unilaterally take actions that could damage my teammates. Look at the time stamp on those two posts of mine. It's not probable that I went to sleep? Some of you posted in this thread like you either live on the other side of the planet or don't sleep.
 
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TheWorthyEdge

Member
exmachina64 said:
If I was a Hutt, I wouldn't post in this thread nearly as much. I also wouldn't unilaterally take actions that could damage my teammates. Look at the time stamp on those two posts of mine. It's not probable that I went to sleep? Some of you posted in this thread like you either live on the other side of the planet or don't sleep.
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Maybe that's what you want us to think though. You saw that someone said that based on how much they contribute that they were rebel, so you decide to post a lot to make yourself seem like a rebel so if anyone ever does accuse you, like I'm doing now, you could have this ammo as a back up.
 
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TheWorthyEdge

Member
I'm going to go back through the thread and read everything back over because it seems that's a logical thing to do at this point. I'm going to look at a couple people in general: TB, Blarg, CzarTim, LordCastamere, and Exmachina. Not because I believe all of you are mafia, but because I believe what some of you have said could be useful to the rebels. Take that as you will.
 
Q

QuantumBro

Banned
traube said:
People should keep unvoting exmachina64, if we are not going to detain him.

Assuming he is a Rebel it would be in the interest of the Empire to keep the votes on him.
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I'm like 50-50 right now on whether he's a rebel or a hutt, which is more certain than I am on anyone else, so I'm sticking with my vote for now. If he ends up being a rebel and we detain him, it won't be a big loss. Up until now he's just been bandwagoning and his defense is to say that his accusers are "thinking like the Hutt". If he's willing to point the finger at someone else, I'm willing to listen, but if that doesn't happen, he's probably not going to live to see the Tatooine night.

exmachina64 said:
Then they should be more understanding of people's sleep and work schedules.
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You started a fire and went to sleep, you can't be upset at anyone but yourself for what happened afterwards.
 
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eJawa

would probably like a hook in his jaw for that matter
exmachine64, I still think you might be a hutt, sorry. Saying your a hutt, then saying a hutt wouldn't say they are a hutt, makes for a good shield. It has already gotten some of the suspicion away from you. Honestly, I'm tempted to unvote, for the simple reason that if you are detained and I'm wrong, everyone will be suspicious of any who voted for you, but that's the case with anyone we vote for.
 
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Zubz

Banned
Lord of Castamere said:
Also, Congratulations we have officially passed Animal Crossing in posts!
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Nice! To Infinity and Beyond, I guess!

As for Exmachina64, I don't think we should all be ganging up on him/her because of that one post alone. It didn't seem entirely serious to me, as incredibly bizarre as it seems. Besides, even if he is Mafia, that doesn't mean he's a Hutt. Terminology is fun! But yeah, as Traube said, voting for Exmachina64 merely because of a comment like that just helps the Empire.

And to Castamere from a few pages back (Wow, I don't post on here nearly enough), this was the post that felt particularly "role-claim"-ish to me.

Lord of Castamere said:
Why shouldn't we vote for you? Why shouldnt you die today?

Presented with death your response is "Oh ok"?
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The only answer I can think of to a question like this in a situation like this is to explain one's abilities, which'd benefit the Hutts more than the Rebels. That may not have been your intent, but it's how I'm reading this. Sorry, man, it just seems suspicious to me. Again, I'm perfectly fine with a No Detain, too, so if you can explain your case, I'll change my vote.
 
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exmachina64

Banned
QuantumBro said:
I'm like 50-50 right now on whether he's a rebel or a hutt, which is more certain than I am on anyone else, so I'm sticking with my vote for now. If he ends up being a rebel and we detain him, it won't be a big loss. Up until now he's just been bandwagoning and his defense is to say that his accusers are "thinking like the Hutt". If he's willing to point the finger at someone else, I'm willing to listen, but if that doesn't happen, he's probably not going to live to see the Tatooine night.



You started a fire and went to sleep, you can't be upset at anyone but yourself for what happened afterwards.
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I have someone whom I am willing to accuse, but that will have to wait till I'm at home.

The point of what I said was that Worthy used my lack of posting as evidence of my guilt in this post.
 
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exmachina64

Banned
Zubz said:
As for Exmachina64, I don't think we should all be ganging up on him/her because of that one post alone. It didn't seem entirely serious to me, as incredibly bizarre as it seems. Besides, even if he is Mafia, that doesn't mean he's a Hutt. Terminology is fun! But yeah, as Traube said, voting for Exmachina64 merely because of a comment like that just helps the Empire.
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It was typed in a sarcastic tone, but that doesn't carry over the internet. This is a serious game for serious people where every post is brutally analyzed.
 
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Zatoth

Member
exmachina64 said:
Then they should be more understanding of people's sleep and work schedules.
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I don't see exmachina64 as Empire. That role claim would be an extremely ballsy move. Especially on day one.

But kudos to him(/them?) if this really is an Empire ploy and should he live to tell the tale.
 
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Lord of Castamere

Member
Zubz said:
The only answer I can think of to a question like this in a situation like this is to explain one's abilities, which'd benefit the Hutts more than the Rebels. That may not have been your intent, but it's how I'm reading this. Sorry, man, it just seems suspicious to me. Again, I'm perfectly fine with a No Detain, too, so if you can explain your case, I'll change my vote.
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I already explained myself. I have nothing else to say on the matter. Take it or leave it. You're not gaining traction anyway, I'm not scared.
 
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TheWorthyEdge

Member
exmachina64 said:
The gap in my posts was when I was asleep. You can keep believing that's evidence of my guilt while I frantically messaged you about what to do over having revealed myself.
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I literally just said even if I took that part out then my accusations would still stand. I replied to what you just said about revealing things. I don't want you to do that, because if you are a rebel and I'm wrong then that would give the Hutts more info on you.
 
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exmachina64

Banned
TheWorthyEdge said:
I literally just said even if I took that part out then my accusations would still stand. I replied to what you just said about revealing things. I don't want you to do that, because if you are a rebel and I'm wrong then that would give the Hutts more info on you.
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I couldn't understand your previous sentence.
 
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Zubz

Banned
Palmer_v1 said:
New post counts:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=1047199

Anyone with less than 10 posts is worrisome, particularly if you haven't even voted yet.
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Wait, I've only made 8 posts? That's weird. I thought I made more. Oh well. Again, I haven't seen too much need to do so, but I'll try to be better about posting more frequently.

TheWorthyEdge said:
What was your explanation?
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It was...

Lord of Castamere said:
I never asked someone to reveal a role only to offer a defense beyond "oh ok", and no Worthy never directory said Blarg should die, but continuing down a clear dead end is extremely suspicious. It breeds chaos.

It's still very curious to see so many jump to her defense so quickly though. Especially with mistruth. Asking a person to give a defense does not equal roleclaim.
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Basically, he argued he never asked for a role claim, and merely wanted a "defense" explaining why we shouldn't detain her. I still can't read that initial post any other way but Castamere asking for Swamped to give an ability as a reason that she shouldn't be detained, however. Thus, my suspicion's only increasing.
 
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TheWorthyEdge

Member
Zubz said:
Wait, I've only made 8 posts? That's weird. I thought I made more. Oh well. Again, I haven't seen too much need to do so, but I'll try to be better about posting more frequently.



It was...



Basically, he argued he never asked for a role claim, and merely wanted a "defense" explaining why we shouldn't detain her. I still can't read that initial post any other way but Castamere asking for Swamped to give an ability as a reason that she shouldn't be detained, however. Thus, my suspicion's only increasing.
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I don't exactly know if that was an explanation or not.
 
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Barrylocke

Member
I get caught up in a day with people, and I go to sleep, and when I wake up, all of this happens. This is WAY more activity than the other game.

At the very least, I should unvote: TheWorthyEdge. I know I promised thoughts on the people who voted randomly in particular, but with the aforementioned events I still haven't gotten there. At the very least I can do my unvote because I really don't find TheWorthyEdge feel like he's proven to be worthy of my vote from what I had said earlier.

The exmachina64 thing was really weird. Frustrated moves aren't something I've never seen before, but still, that could go in many ways. One thing I do believe is that there is someone(s) that is mafia that was in the vote pile, regardless of if exmachina64 was mafia. If he's town it would be "Well he DID say he was mafia, what else would I do?" And if he was mafia giving up, it would be "See, I voted for mafia, gotta trust me, right?"

I'm really sorry that I don't have more things to say about what's going on. I at least want to look and see if there's someone who fits both the pile on role and the voting randomly suspicion I have. I really want to have a vote on SOMEONE before this is all over. At least I can take another look at work tonight.
 
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exmachina64

Banned
johnnyquicknives said:
Arkham Asylum Mafia |OT|

everyones neutral.


The back and forth between exmachina and worthy has some odd bits, either of you fancy explaining this:
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To expound upon that:

Worthy said that the 9-10 hours I wasn't in the thread weren't because I was frustrated and went to sleep, but because I foolishly lost my cool and revealed myself as mafia. That absence he explained was that I messaged the Hutts and asked them for instructions.
 
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TheWorthyEdge

Member
Wait what the fuck? I did not read that correctly until now. Holy shit! Lol he just told a bold faced lie. Now you don't have to believe me on this one but wot DA fuq m8. You really want me to take my vote off you now? HA.
 
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CzarTim

Member
eJawa said:
Looking back through exmachina64's posts, his confession kind of comes out of nowhere, so it could just be a joke. I'm willing to possibly change my vote if he comes back and defends it.

Vote: exmachina64
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eJawa said:
exmachine64, I still think you might be a hutt, sorry. Saying your a hutt, then saying a hutt wouldn't say they are a hutt, makes for a good shield. It has already gotten some of the suspicion away from you. Honestly, I'm tempted to unvote, for the simple reason that if you are detained and I'm wrong, everyone will be suspicious of any who voted for you, but that's the case with anyone we vote for.
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hmm...
 
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eJawa

would probably like a hook in his jaw for that matter
CzarTim said:
eh none of eJawa's other posts strike me as off. Just those two are inconsistent.
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With everyone else being suspicious of everyone else, I was begining to feel left out. lol

To be fair, I did say "possibly change". Tuthfully I am torn about him, but I still think we need to vote for somone. After all these back and forth discussions, I the worst choice would be to for a no detain.
 
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CzarTim

Member
eJawa said:
With everyone else being suspicious of everyone else, I was begining to feel left out. lol

To be fair, I did say "possibly change". Tuthfully I am torn about him, but I still think we need to vote for somone. After all these back and forth discussions, I the worst choice would be to for a no detain.
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Agreed, and thanks for clarifying!
 
Z

Zubz

Banned
Lord of Castamere said:
I can't explain someone elses implication. I know what I said. I asked someone to defend themselves from death. Any other implication taken from that is irrelevant.
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What else could she have said to have defended herself in this situation, though? Your question was asking her why we shouldn't vote for her; in my entire Mafia experience, that phrase was synonymous with role claiming, and I can't think of any other defense Swamped could have given to "defend" herself.

TheWorthyEdge said:
Wait what the fuck? I did not read that correctly until now. Holy shit! Lol he just told a bold faced lie. Now you don't have to believe me on this one but wot DA fuq m8. You really want me to take my vote off you now? HA.
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Wait, what did I miss? Was this just Exmachina64 claiming that he was Mafia a few pages back?

eJawa said:
With everyone else being suspicious of everyone else, I was begining to feel left out. lol
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Aw... I could suspect you! Also, I miss Blarg.
 
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