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[Cow Mengde]

You guys need to see these devices to get an idea of what to expect from the NX. The JXD S192 tablet is powered by the Tegra K1 chipset and lets you play on a small 7" screen with 1,920 x 1,200px resolution.

Specs: http://www.funstockretro.co.uk/jxd-nvidia-s192-android-retro-gaming-tablet

This thing has a 6 hour battery for gaming, but the battery is 10000mAh. I think 6 hours is the best case scenario too.

The price is $300+

 

[TyMiles2012]

That's what they are doing in the 1070s and 1080s designed for laptops, the biggest issues with that are the increased size required, and the increased cost of the part.

Edit. Ultimately the NX can't afford to be priced at an amount that's out of reach for the average consumer. So anything above 249 USD is really pushing it.

That's also why I'm a little worried about price per performance, since Kimishima said that they're not selling at a loss this time. But using more modern technology, I think they can pull off a very decent system, it just needs to be convienent enough to justify being a second system if it can't get the AAA stuff. Who knows, Xbox and Sony are still doing that most likely.

 

[ggx2ac]

You guys need to see these devices to get an idea of what to expect from the NX. The JXD S192 tablet is powered by the Tegra K1 chipset and lets you play on a small 7" screen with 1,920 x 1,200px resolution.

Specs: http://www.funstockretro.co.uk/jxd-nvidia-s192-android-retro-gaming-tablet

This thing has a 6 hour battery for gaming, but the battery is 10000mAh. I think 6 hours is the best case scenario too.

The price is $300+

It's a device with a 28nm GPU. We're expecting Pascal at 16nmFF+ to save on power consumption. I don't think these two different things are comparable, especially when I don't get why you're not showing an Tegra X1 product instead since that's last gen.

 

[Ghostshark]

I really hope that the screen is high quality. I'm so spoiled by beautiful smart phone screens that it somewhat ruined the 3DS for me. 720p is fine, but I hope the console has a premium feel to it, better than the 3DS at least.

 

[James Scott]

You guys need to see these devices to get an idea of what to expect from the NX. The JXD S192 tablet is powered by the Tegra K1 chipset and lets you play on a small 7" screen with 1,920 x 1,200px resolution.

Specs: http://www.funstockretro.co.uk/jxd-nvidia-s192-android-retro-gaming-tablet

This thing has a 6 hour battery for gaming, but the battery is 10000mAh. I think 6 hours is the best case scenario too.

The price is $300+

That looks pretty nice especially without the top and bottom being elongated as much as the Wii U gamepad. I guess sides are going to be the most interesting part as they have to function as wiimote like controllers so they need to be big enough.
As mentioned above, the NX is (likely) going to be using the pascal based architecture which should help with power consumption.

 

[Cow Mengde]

I don't think these two different things are comparable, especially when I don't get why you're not showing an Tegra X1 product instead since that's last gen.

I don't know any device with Tegra X1 with these features.

I just posted that because people keep talking about the Nvidia Shield when a newer more powerful device exists. It's just to give people some ideas on what is possible with NX.

 

[Malus]

Emily is not a tech aficionado so when she says something like 2x more powerful than Wii U, keep in mind it's likely how it was described to her rather than her taking some information and giving an informed estimate.

Last I spoke to her, she reiterated that last she heard, it'll be near enough to XB1 to the point that ports should be feasible. She doesn't have any concrete benchmarks to work off of though.

That more or less corroborates OsirisBlack's comments about NX being capable of running current gen ports. Same with ShockingAlberto saying he heard it'd be near Xbox One.

I really don't know what to expect out of this thing in terms of real world visuals. An upgraded Wii U? Downgraded XBO? Is there a difference? I dunno. Right now I'm expecting the games to look basically like Wii U games with maybe a few bells and whistles extra.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

I haven't been keeping up with the rumors but is it believed that there is a docking station for the controller screen that will output the game to the TV?

 

[eifer]

You guys need to see these devices to get an idea of what to expect from the NX. The JXD S192 tablet is powered by the Tegra K1 chipset and lets you play on a small 7" screen with 1,920 x 1,200px resolution.

Specs: http://www.funstockretro.co.uk/jxd-nvidia-s192-android-retro-gaming-tablet

This thing has a 6 hour battery for gaming, but the battery is 10000mAh. I think 6 hours is the best case scenario too.

The price is $300+

That doesn't look like a home console to me.

 

[Kurdel]

That doesn't look like a home console to me.

Did you miss the part about the whole hybrid aspect of the console?

 

[Otakumegane]

In regards to launch software and the launch window...

It's no secret that the WiiU's launch was terrible. Droughts on end, Pikmin 3 moved to the year after, nothing really to play but VC titles and Nintendoland.

But people fail to realize that this was directly caused by the shifting in resources to 3DS software back when Nintendo saw the writing on the wall, dropped the 3DS in price dramatically, and promised more software.

Retro Studios delayed Tropical Freeze so that MK7 would have help, Monolith had their hands full assisting for those titles. The 2013 3DS line-up was a direct result of this shift, and the WiiU launch period suffered as a result.

NX has had the benefit of the WiiU's later years being emptier than the Wii's the 3DS dying and being propped up by GF and Japanese 3rd parties, and the merging of software branches. I don't expect it to have TOO many problems regarding launch software.

 

[rekameohs]

That doesn't look like a home console to me.

This may be a surprise, but that's not the NX; we haven't seen what it looks like yet

 

[Brofield]

N64 and (hopefully) GCN games would look pretty fantastic on a 6 inch screen. No need to up Rez either
I'd really like 3DS and DS emulation to get a boost, though. The Wii U DS emulator had that option built in but it's disabled.
It could work like this:

What gets me most excited about those mock up images is the idea we can get custom button and joystick layouts for all kinds of players.

RETURN OF THE GAMECUBE BEAN BUTTON LAYOUT, BRETHREN

 

[eifer]

Did you miss the part about the whole hybrid aspect of the console?

I must have missed the NX reveal. Oops.

 

[ggx2ac]

Pulling this from the article:

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-08/nvidia-tegra-parker-denver-2-arm-pascal-16-nm/

In der Fragestunde nach der Präsentation gab sich Nvidia zwar weiterhin sehr zugeknöpft, was die Leistungsaufnahme angeht, gab aber zum Besten, dass die Grafikleistung mindestens um 50 Prozent gegenüber dem Tegra TX1 steigen soll und bei 1,5 TFLOPS (FP16) liegen wird. Weiterhin antwortete Nvidia auf die Frage nach weiteren Einsatzgebieten für den neuen Tegra-Chip mit Blick auf VR/AR mit einem kurzen „Ja“.

Google translate says this:

In question time after the presentation, Nvidia was indeed still very buttoned in terms of power, but gave the best that the graphics performance is expected to increase by at least 50 percent compared to the Tegra TX1 and 1.5 TFLOPS (FP16) is lying. Furthermore, Nvidia responded to the question of further fields of application for the new Tegra chip overlooking VR / AR with a short "Yes" .

So in a sense, there is gaming applications for Parker, especially when we have this slide stating gaming applications right here.

https://pics.computerbase.de/7/4/1/5/7/6-1260.1994716266.png

I'm laughing now thinking how Trev wanted to stop all discussion about Parker because he concluded it's for cars but when the DMP M3000 has similar applications for gaming and automotive... Well it's not hard to point out its okay for him to approve of DMP M3000 for a handheld because it fits his M.O. on NX being an AMD home console for some arbitrary reason, lol.

That aside, the important thing is. Nintendo are rumoured to be customising an Nvidia GPU, we have rumours that it will be Pascal-based which is at 16nmFF+

I think that at least the GPU design will be based off Parker.

Reasons:

- Tegra X1 has a 20nm GPU
- Parker has a 16nmFF+ GPU

Chips are becoming more complex to design, so imo it makes sense to base Nintendo's GPU off a customisation of Parker. You don't get the Tegra X1 which is a Maxwell Architecture at 20nm and just magically change it to Pascal at 16nmFF+, it's two completely different designs so we can't think of Nintendo's GPU to be used as a derivative of the Tegra X1, it makes more sense to see it as a derivative of Parker.

Yes, I know that Parker is designed for cars. Duh, it's obviously made for cars. The base design is still a Tegra GPU that can be used for any application including gaming. It was confirmed in the above quote that it can be used for AR/VR.

I think this was already obvious for some of you but, I remember seeing some people jump to the conclusion that there's only Parker and somehow that invalidates Nvidia from being able to use Tegra GPUs for games. lol

 

[jdstorm]

That more or less corroborates OsirisBlack's comments about NX being capable of running current gen ports. Same with ShockingAlberto saying he heard it'd be near Xbox One.

I really don't know what to expect out of this thing in terms of real world visuals. An upgraded Wii U? Downgraded XBO? Is there a difference? I dunno. Right now I'm expecting the games to look basically like Wii U games with maybe a few bells and whistles extra.

It honestly depends on what resolution Nintendo depends on having the device run at. The most demanding games on the Xbox One run at 720p if that same game was running at 1080p it would need to render 2.25x as many pixels. Which would require significantly more GPU power. ( note GPU power doesn't scale linearly so you won't need a GPU with 2.25x more power. But the difference is still significant)

Based on rough estimates if the NX wanted to run Battlefield One at 720p like the Xbox One it would need to have a GPU in the 750-800gflps range.
Running Battlefield one at 540p would take around 450-500gflps. (I am not a professional games developer. These are just semi informed guesses from an amature) this is why most were speculating that the NX would be small and have a 5inch 540p screen. Because it felt like a good price/performance compromise but still with great visuals.

The range most are predicting the NX to sit in is 356gflps (WiiUx2) to 800ish GFlps (Xbox One)

From the eurogamer article we know that the NX Dev Kits have a Nvidia X1 in them and that they may be overclocked. The X1 currently outputs 512Gflps at full speed in a Shield Handheld. Which would be good enough for Straight Xbox one and PS4 ports at 540p. Or slightly downgraded ports at 720p. If the Over Clocking Rumours are true it could be Xbox one level in a best case scenario.

Edit: some simple games may render at a higher resolution but it seems most likely that if the NX has a 720p screen. Most games will render natively at 720p

I haven't been keeping up with the rumors but is it believed that there is a docking station for the controller screen that will output the game to the TV?

It's practically 100% confirmed that the NX will have some form of TV out (HDMI, Mini HDMI, Other ect) You will definitely be able to play Nintndo games on your TV with an NX. Most of the doc speculation is about tech stuff that may or may not happen. If the only thing you are expecting is a TV out. You will be happy.

 

[Kurt]

I do find the motions controls rumor a bit weird. Games like those are mostly only playable at home... Yet the specials force feedback can also been done for none motion games....

 

[James Scott]

I haven't been keeping up with the rumors but is it believed that there is a docking station for the controller screen that will output the game to the TV?

Yes, that's basically one of the main aspects. It might do more things but we don't know yet

I do find the motions controls rumor a bit weird. Games like those are mostly only playable at home... Yet the specials force feedback can also been done for none motion games....

Have they? Anyways, i imagine the rumble in the controllers will work when attached to the main NX unit as well.
There should also be TV only games like Just Dance

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I do find the motions controls rumor a bit weird. Games like those are mostly only playable at home... Yet the specials force feedback can also been done for none motion games....

If there are things that are better for use at home... good! A hybrid has its pros and cons, but if it meant the total death of what the Wii brought it would suck. In the meantime any motion tech in the controller sections can still be used more limitedly on the portable, as is done with 3DS.

 

[Cow Mengde]

That doesn't look like a home console to me.

Because it ISN'T. Nothing like the NX exists yet, whatever it is. This is just device using SIMILAR tech that's already out.

 

[Bitanator]

That doesn't look like a home console to me.

Get off of HappyNintendoFans timeline, there is no home console. Dude is soon to become jaded Nintendo fan like the slew of Wii U apologists that were knocked out one by one, who was the last guy standing again? Think he bowed out after Xenoblade Chronicles X localization named the Mechs "Skells".

 

[MrCunningham]

She's Emily, of the clan Rogers.

Surfer Girl reincarnated.

 

[Deleted member 465307]

In regards to launch software and the launch window...

It's no secret that the WiiU's launch was terrible. Droughts on end, Pikmin 3 moved to the year after, nothing really to play but VC titles and Nintendoland.

But people fail to realize that this was directly caused by the shifting in resources to 3DS software back when Nintendo saw the writing on the wall, dropped the 3DS in price dramatically, and promised more software.

Retro Studios delayed Tropical Freeze so that MK7 would have help, Monolith had their hands full assisting for those titles. The 2013 3DS line-up was a direct result of this shift, and the WiiU launch period suffered as a result.

NX has had the benefit of the WiiU's later years being emptier than the Wii's the 3DS dying and being propped up by GF and Japanese 3rd parties, and the merging of software branches. I don't expect it to have TOO many problems regarding launch software.

I like this post. I kind of imagine Nintendo's development resources this past generation as a seesaw where when one side went up, the other side went down. Right now, both sides are down (pretend this is possible on a seesaw), which should leave them well-poised for NX.

The big concern I have for NX software frequency is that HD games take a lot of resources, so I imagine output will be closer to 2x Wii U rather than 2x 3DS. Then again, Nintendo seems to have found some kind of solution to HD development by doing tons of partnerships, so we'll see how that works out on NX.

 

[NoFaceNico]

Because it ISN'T. Nothing like the NX exists yet, whatever it is. This is just device using SIMILAR tech that's already out.

That was his opinion and this is your prediction. Perhaps an overly optimistic prediction, and that's my opinion.

 

[Cow Mengde]

That was his opinion and this is your prediction. Perhaps an overly optimistic prediction, and that's my opinion.

I'm not predicting anything. I'm just showing what's available. I don't know what the NX is.

 

[TyMiles2012]

N64 and (hopefully) GCN games would look pretty fantastic on a 6 inch screen. No need to up Rez either
I'd really like 3DS and DS emulation to get a boost, though. The Wii U DS emulator had that option built in but it's disabled.
It could work like this:

Personally, I hope PareLLEI gets Nintendo's attention. If the NX supports Vulkan, maybe they can make something similar.

That emulator core looks FANTASTIC!

 

[NoFaceNico]

I'm not predicting anything. I'm just showing what's available. I don't know what the NX is.

Previously:

Because it ISN'T. Nothing like the NX exists yet, whatever it is. This is just device using SIMILAR tech that's already out.

This little bit comes from a land that doesn't exist yet, let's call that place Future Land. You can only get to future land by sitting around for a long time or discovering time travel. Since I don't think you have access to time travel any quicker than I do, then what you said is a prediction of something you hope will exist in Future Land. It is not a fact, it's not something that's available to us and you admit you don't know what NX is. Your statement was a prediction.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Guys, I dont think they are going to reveal this thing in September...

 

[Astral Dog]

I think that the upcoming Darksiders remaster will finally give up an interesting comparison between Wii U and Xbone/PS4. I'm looking forward to DF tackling that.

Was this the game that was supposed to run at 1080p (on Wii U)?

i dont believe them, it would be too unusual for a game with the complexity of Darksiders to run at 1080p (with better textures and other features) on Wii U, full 720p yes but 1080p would be very surprising

 

[TLZ]

It's practically 100% confirmed that the NX will have some form of TV out (HDMI, Mini HDMI, Other ect) You will definitely be able to play Nintndo games on your TV with an NX. Most of the doc speculation is about tech stuff that may or may not happen. If the only thing you are expecting is a TV out. You will be happy.

No official Nintendo, no confirmation. Period. Everything so far is rumors.

Get off of HappyNintendoFans timeline, there is no home console. Dude is soon to become jaded Nintendo fan like the slew of Wii U apologists that were knocked out one by one, who was the last guy standing again? Think he bowed out after Xenoblade Chronicles X localization named the Mechs "Skells".

Wtf are you on about?

 

[Bitanator]

No official Nintendo, no confirmation. Period. Everything so far is rumors.



Wtf are you on about?

haha, just saying people expecting a home console need to accept fate. SMD and Happynintendofan guy on twitter get on my nerves much like those wii u graphics people from couple years ago. Meant nothing from it, late night ramblings

 

[ggx2ac]

I like this post. I kind of imagine Nintendo's development resources this past generation as a seesaw where when one side went up, the other side went down. Right now, both sides are down (pretend this is possible on a seesaw), which should leave them well-poised for NX.

The big concern I have for NX software frequency is that HD games take a lot of resources, so I imagine output will be closer to 2x Wii U rather than 2x 3DS. Then again, Nintendo seems to have found some kind of solution to HD development by doing tons of partnerships, so we'll see how that works out on NX.

This is a good point which is why... I don't see the logic in why Nintendo would make two completely different systems again.

As in this: to quote 10k because I had the same thoughts. If it is revealed that the NX is an ARM/DMP GPU Handheld and with a x86/AMD GPU Home Console coming along another year, I would die of laughter. Not because I would be wrong about NX being a hybrid, it's because Nintendo didn't learn shit from the 3DS and Wii U that I look forward to seeing them relying more on mobile because their investors wouldn't see the point of Nintendo relying on dedicated game devices.

Guys, I dont think they are going to reveal this thing in September...

Okay... Usually it helps to give reasons.

I've said many times to wait for a late September/early October reveal because nothing has indicated that there would be a pre-TGS reveal unless there is a Digital Event with no press invites.

Late September/Early October still gives time for if there is a Digital Event to have a press event on the side for press to try the NX because there has to be working units available now because March isn't that far away.

If nothing is heard about the NX reveal, expect Nintendo to have to answer to investors around October 27th because Nintendo stated they would reveal NX this year. If it doesn't get revealed this year, expect delays and them having to change their forecast for this financial year because they accounted for NX launching this financial year in just the final month before the financial year ends.

 

[Dark Cloud]

There's nothing confirmed. Nintendo has not said a word. Everysingle thing has been a rumor.

And if you're let down by Nintendo because they didn't give you these rumors, then that's your fault for setting up expectations for something Nintendo never said.

Guys, I dont think they are going to reveal this thing in September...

Im betting money it will be September and we'll hear about it late next week or the week after the latest.

 

[ASIS]

I like this post. I kind of imagine Nintendo's development resources this past generation as a seesaw where when one side went up, the other side went down. Right now, both sides are down (pretend this is possible on a seesaw), which should leave them well-poised for NX.

The big concern I have for NX software frequency is that HD games take a lot of resources, so I imagine output will be closer to 2x Wii U rather than 2x 3DS. Then again, Nintendo seems to have found some kind of solution to HD development by doing tons of partnerships, so we'll see how that works out on NX.

The Wii U had ridiculous droughts that's for sure. But the content was good. Having twice that amount in the same period of time is actually a very, very good thing.

Also, I know that we don't have any info regarding the reveal, but what is the consensus so far? Is it early, mid, or late September?

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

Last I spoke to her, she reiterated that last she heard, it'll be near enough to XB1 to the point that ports should be feasible. She doesn't have any concrete benchmarks to work off of though.

It doesn't have to be on par visually for that to be true. If it can handle the engines and gameplay elements, using lower resolution assets with less graphical effects would also be considered a feasible port.

 

[Roo]

The Wii U had ridiculous droughts that's for sure. But the content was good. Having twice that amount in the same period of time is actually a very, very good thing.

Also, I know that we don't have any info regarding the reveal, but what is the consensus so far? Is it early, mid, or late September?

People assumed they'd reveal it before TGS so third parties could show their games at the event but that obviously is not going happen so bets are on late September now.

 

[ASIS]

People assumed they'd reveal it before TGS so third parties could show their games at the event but that obviously is not going happen so bets are on late September now.

Well it's only four more weeks, that's not too bad right?

.. Right?

 

[Roo]

Well it's only four more weeks, that's not too bad right?

.. Right?

Sure!

Spoiler

in before the reveal takes place mid October

 

[blu]

I just checked those slides again.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-08/nvidia-tegra-parker-denver-2-arm-pascal-16-nm/

I guess you're right. The slide doesn't show the CUDA cores being segmented in 4 but 2.

Still, I don't know if that's a design decision due to constraints or that they just managed to stick more cores in one module. It's possible they could still do 64 CUDA cores per SM although I guess 128 per SM would save space.

The only Pascal that does 64 cores per SM is P100. Everything else 'Pascal', Tegra included, does 128-core, 4 dual-dispatch schedulers, 256KB-register-file of SM. One could argue the main reason they halved the core count in P100's SM is fp64 support. But the P100 SM is really more flexible in term of thread occupancy, since they did keep the register-file size per SM.

Can someone help me out. I forgot that the doubled memory bandwidth slide also shows the memory uses a 128-bit bus, is that needed for this Parker? I mean to say, can you still get 50GB/s bandwidth on a 64-bit bus?

You can't get 50GB/s of LPDDR4 on a 64-bit bus.

Edit: My other concern was with just having 2 SM. You saw how it has a higher clock speed compared to the other high SMs. Wouldn't it be better to save battery power by reducing the clock by going for more SMs?

Going wider than faster is always a possibility, until you hit your die-size feasibility limits.

 

[ggx2ac]

The Wii U had ridiculous droughts that's for sure. But the content was good. Having twice that amount in the same period of time is actually a very, very good thing.

The content was good but, as Iwata said, they had troubles with HD development and that it was becoming more costly that it's a greater risk making titles.

So for Nintendo having to have survived this gen to come out not like a PS3 disaster in terms of lost revenue. A figurative 3DS was eating off the freshly rotting corpse of the Wii U to stay alive.

Spoiler

I have no idea where I'm going with that.

Sure!

Spoiler

in before the reveal takes place mid October

We get to speculate for that much longer then!
More leaks!

Edit:

The only Pascal that does 64 cores per SM is P100. Everything else 'Pascal', Tegra included, does 128-core, 4 dual-dispatch schedulers, 256KB-register-file of SM. One could argue the main reason they halved the core count in P100's SM is fp64 support. But the P100 SM is really more flexible in term of thread occupancy, since they did keep the register-file size per SM.


You can't get 50GB/s of LPDDR4 on a 64-bit bus.


Going wider than faster is always a possibility, until you hit your die-size feasibility limits.

Okay, at least now it seems more likely if NX is based off of Parker, it's going to have a 128-bit bus due to the preference of having faster memory. (I assume that is what Nintendo would want.)

Thanks.

 

[Peterc]

Reggie

People still think that it are 2 very small controllers? I don't think that this is the case. It's not comfortable. Imagine 6' screen size. This controller on his side would be too small.


I think you can make one controller for it with a piece in the middle to connect it maybe.

If that device is so small. What about force feedback and the battery? How you would play wii tennis if you hold it as a wiimote?


We need to think about this.

 

[ggx2ac]

Reggie

Simpsons, courtesy of BigAT.

 

[Bitanator]

Simpsons, courtesy of BigAT.

is that the camp crusty episode? lol

 

[NoFaceNico]

Simpsons, courtesy of BigAT.

 

[Cow Mengde]

Previously:


This little bit comes from a land that doesn't exist yet, let's call that place Future Land. You can only get to future land by sitting around for a long time or discovering time travel. Since I don't think you have access to time travel any quicker than I do, then what you said is a prediction of something you hope will exist in Future Land. It is not a fact, it's not something that's available to us and you admit you don't know what NX is. Your statement was a prediction.

That's a strange interpretation of what I said.

 

[cyberheater]

You guys need to see these devices to get an idea of what to expect from the NX. The JXD S192 tablet is powered by the Tegra K1 chipset and lets you play on a small 7" screen with 1,920 x 1,200px resolution.

Specs: http://www.funstockretro.co.uk/jxd-nvidia-s192-android-retro-gaming-tablet

This thing has a 6 hour battery for gaming, but the battery is 10000mAh. I think 6 hours is the best case scenario too.

The price is $300+

That's an interesting device. A powerful high resolution portable with great battery life.

 

[NoFaceNico]

That's a strange interpretation of what I said.

If you still don't understand that throwing out your guess on what an unreleased, unrevealed piece of hardware will be in the future is a "prediction" then I can't help you.

 

[Cow Mengde]

If you still don't understand that throwing out your guess on what an unreleased, unrevealed piece of hardware will be in the future is a "prediction" then I can't help you.

I'm not throwing out guesses. I'm showing what's out there with the hardware that's available. I clearly said I had no idea what the NX is or will be. Just that these device exist. Not this is what the NX will be. At most maybe we can draw some guesses out of these devices, and even that might be a stretch.

 

[Genio88]

I've got good feelings, next week is September already, I think on Tuesday or around that we could get the announcement of the announcement of NX for mid/end of September

 

[TLZ]

haha, just saying people expecting a home console need to accept fate. SMD and Happynintendofan guy on twitter get on my nerves much like those wii u graphics people from couple years ago. Meant nothing from it, late night ramblings

Lol ok.

If it is revealed that the NX is an ARM/DMP GPU Handheld and with a x86/AMD GPU Home Console coming along another year, I would die of laughter. Not because I would be wrong about NX being a hybrid, it's because Nintendo didn't learn shit from the 3DS and Wii U that I look forward to seeing them relying more on mobile because their investors wouldn't see the point of Nintendo relying on dedicated game devices.

Nintendoomed then?

There's nothing confirmed. Nintendo has not said a word. Everysingle thing has been a rumor.

And if you're let down by Nintendo because they didn't give you these rumors, then that's your fault for setting up expectations for something Nintendo never said.

Agreed.