Not sure where you live, but people carry iPads, tablets etc on the train/plane/bus where I am...
Likely why they are removable
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Emily Rogers: NX prototype had a 6.2" 720p multi-touch screen, 2 USB ports on dock
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Not sure where you live, but people carry iPads, tablets etc on the train/plane/bus where I am...
Likely why they are removable
Well I don't mind since I don't game outside my home
That's not exactly the point. It's part of the problem. This is going to look like a portable, and has to be marketed as such. You can talk hybrid all you want, but it's going to have to meet the expectations of a portable.
Likely why they are removable
Yeah, I've noted that before. Nintendo is likely trying to make this 'portable' by making it look like a tablet/phone on the go. Problem is people are still going to want to use those controller parts on the go as well.
That's not a problem. You take them off to transport it (bag, pocket or whatever) then put them on when you want to play.
That's inconvenient though.
andythinkpad
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Maybe for you, maybe not for others.
It only needs to be more convenient than just having touchscreen controls.
Yeah, I don't think Nintendo is going to care much about a few regions needed to wait 2-3 weeks after reveal to preorder. How long did it take for the NES mini to open preorders in the US?
i don't think "people" like using controllers playing a tablet/phone game
LOL that's true, hopefully Nintendo make this pretty similar to a tablet than a handheld, that way I won't feel guilty for playing kid stuff on public
ChrisMahoney
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NX having similar PPI as retina iPads is a good point that I haven't heard mentioned.
(Also, every word is something someone came up with. If it's used enough it becomes ok to say hehe)
ChrisMahoney
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Nintendo could add on-screen sticks and buttons when the controllers aren't connected. For people who want a slim fablet in their pocket on the go. This wouldn't be ideal for high precision games like Mario but it'd be great for Pokémon
I feel like I read somewhere that someone, either NPD or another marketing research company or even Nintendo did a study/survey/analysis and discovered that the majority of 'portable' owners actually just play the systems at home.
So any arguments about needing to fit a pocket are moot when/if the majority of market don't care about that. Most commuters I know use a bag to travel, and as long as any device can easily fit in something like that, they will be okay on the 'portability' aspect.
The more I hear about the system, the more I think it doesn't matter what Nintendo announces or shows. People have already set their expectations and will act accordingly. Honestly they should just rip the blindfold off sooner than later as reactions seem baked in.
So any arguments about needing to fit a pocket are moot when/if the majority of market don't care about that. Most commuters I know use a bag to travel, and as long as any device can easily fit in something like that, they will be okay on the 'portability' aspect.
The more I hear about the system, the more I think it doesn't matter what Nintendo announces or shows. People have already set their expectations and will act accordingly. Honestly they should just rip the blindfold off sooner than later as reactions seem baked in.
Cow Mengde
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I tried to carry my GPD XD in my pocket before and while the 5 inch screen fits well enough, the weight of the device made it feel like my pants would fall down if it wasn't on tighter. The XD isn't that heavy, but you'll feel it in your pants. You also don't want to walk too fast in fear of it falling out of your pants even though my pocket was deep.
Again this is just my impression of a powerful portable device. Not sure if my experience will apply to the NX.
superNESjoe
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Just throwing this out there. Something doesn't need to fit in your pocket to be portable. People take tablets and laptops with them everywhere. You can pack things in bags.
This thread is too fixated on pockets.
This thread is too fixated on pockets.
spyroflame0487
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I'd say this is pretty accurate. I liked the smallness of stuff like the DS and even the 3DS but the XL systems have always been a bit too big for pockets. With the size of phones getting larger anyways and people using tablets and even laptops and stuff on the go, I don't think "portable" necessarily correlates to "pocket sized".
richman555
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Honestly, the best handheld I ever owned was the Gameboy Advance SP.
Nothing too complicated, yet small and extremely portable.
Nothing too complicated, yet small and extremely portable.
And it's especially silly since portable owners already put their 3ds/vita in their bags to begin with. This isn't some new reality folks, we've been doing it this way forever now. If the NX is around the size of a tablet or small laptop or large phone, it will be just as portable as any other electronic device currently on the market that people carry with them all the time already.
I'm all for options, but no. Absolutely not.
Storage will be interesting on this device for sure. Nintendo's going to want to continue offering almost all retail games on the eShop, and they'll likely be larger than Wii U games next generation. That's going to need a fairly large storage solution, particularly because now all of their games are coming to only one platform (and that's a lot of games!).
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TLZ
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Lol I hope not.
I don't care much about portability tbh since I only game at home. I know they want to sell it as a portable (if rumors are true) but I honestly don't care.
Portable to be is being able to move farther than the living room and taking it into the bedroom without losing signal like the Wii U gamepad. If it does that then I'm content.
James Scott
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Yeah, hopefully things improve quite a bit, but they're in a better position going into NX than they were Wii U.
They had to juggle two 3D capable systems while jumping into HD development which slowed things down on Wii U by quite a bit. A lot of Wii titles were likely reworked into Wii U titles like pikmin 3, but it shows and it likely required a lot of work while transferring Wii U games to NX will likely be easier due.
Another benefit will be having HD experience and tools at their disposal. They now know how to manage an HD project since they clearly showed they didn't early on in the Gen with all the delays and comments from Iwata and Miyamoto. They have engines like the BoTW engine which allows for impressive open world on weaker tech so the NX should be able to handle it quite well. They also developed a pretty impressive physics engine.
All their teams will be supporting one platform too as mentioned in the OP. The console Zelda team wouldn't be making a new Zelda game for a handheld while gamefreak wouldn't be making a game for a console. Combining a lot of their software teams should help them get up to snuff, especially those that focused on 3DS mainly last generation.
Here's a rough estimate on a good year:
3DS can pump out around 13 exclusives a year
Wii U can pump out around 9.
I'm hoping this means Nintendo can release 18-20 exclusives in a year (not necessarily just 1st party, but 3rd party published and just titles that were kept exclusive to 3DS/Wii U like Monster Hunter and Yokai Warch)
That sounds pretty good to me, though it would rely on NX selling well. If they can manage that I think that would be a big enough selling point for a lot of people especially having a 3D Mario, console Zelda, and Pokemon all year one in one place.
As a bit of a side note, something that'll help NX at launch is the 4 month delay. For whatever reason, waiting for the Pascal based chip, waiting for an important patent to go through, or some piece of software like Zelda just not being ready by this November it'll allow devs a lot more time to improve upon their titles.
3DS, if delayed by 4 months, could've launched with Ocarina of Time and the eShop. The OS was rather unfinished and the launch had no Nintendo titles of note, but OoT would've pleased a lot of people.
Wii U's OS could've had the day one patch installed saving consumers the trouble, as well as devs having enough time to polish their games on Wii U. On March Wii U was supposed to had Monster Hunter, Need For Speed, Lego City, and Rayman. They'd miss out on a holiday season, but they likely wouldn't of suffered the January drop to 50k NPD and likely not the Rayman Legends delay which was awful PR for be system.
So I'm a bit more confident this time around, feel pretty good about it so far as the next 3D Mario, BoTW, a new Pokemon, RETRO's next game, and a few others should be ready by then. So hopefully it does
this post was much longer than I intended. Oops
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Sure, I just felt replying to that post (since he/she was wrong), because I feel being "retina" isn't a big deal anymore for quite a while and I also haven't heard people using that word for quite some time either. Since (low-mid end) Android phones have been 720p and up for a long time, "being retina" doesn't make people go "wow" anymore.
Eh....if rumours are true about the dock, Nintendo wants to sell them to the portable and home console crowd and/or to both!
go_straight
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I think people are obsessed too much with this dock thing.
I believe the eg rumor but they were talking about an old prototype and it's possible that this dock was made just to have a single unit for both handheld and big screen gaming at the same time for developers.
It's more likely that Nintendo releases an home version of the nx than a random dock that would probably be to expensive to sell it individually anyway.
I believe the eg rumor but they were talking about an old prototype and it's possible that this dock was made just to have a single unit for both handheld and big screen gaming at the same time for developers.
It's more likely that Nintendo releases an home version of the nx than a random dock that would probably be to expensive to sell it individually anyway.
When Sun/Moon is due at the end of 2016?
It will be interesting if we get a NX pokemon game before Gen 8 (they usually don't switch platform during a generation) and whether Gen 7 is shortened or get a port...
(also, Mario won't be ready at launch, and Zelda is still trans-generation... But I'm excited to discover games not yet unveiled...)
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Highly, highly disagree.
James Scott
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Yeah, I meant by its first year which is what MVC said and Miyamoto teased showing off Mario at e3
I think it's possible, at least later down the line. The OS is supposed to be like NEO or an iPhone/iPad situation allowing them to make games for both really easily.
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Fourth Storm
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Emily's 2x Wii U remarks are eerily reminiscent of Ideaman posts from the WUSTs, where we heard "2x Xbox 360." His justification was that he saw current gen games running with a completely different PoV on the Gamepad. Just goes to show you how things can be interpreted by different people. We don't know if she actually has the specs sheet or anything like that. Maybe she saw Zelda running at 60 fps or heard that it displays in 1080p when docked.
What actual specs could be 2x?
We do know that Nintendo have a history of aggressively underclocking to reduce power draw (the very old architecture of the new 3DS was only fully unleashed when shrunk to 28nm, and only the CPU at that). Of course, optimizations for fp16 add another wrinkle into our estimations. All of that aside, this machine sounds quite promising based on what we're hearing.
What actual specs could be 2x?
- Definitely certain CPU tasks (SIMD processing)
- RAM should be at least 4 GB and double the bandwidth of Wii U's DDR3
We do know that Nintendo have a history of aggressively underclocking to reduce power draw (the very old architecture of the new 3DS was only fully unleashed when shrunk to 28nm, and only the CPU at that). Of course, optimizations for fp16 add another wrinkle into our estimations. All of that aside, this machine sounds quite promising based on what we're hearing.
CaviarMeths
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1st party titles on the Wii U like SM3DW, MK8, and Splatoon are some of the best-designed games they've ever put out in their entire history. Zelda is looking to be as well.
Dark Cloud
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There's still doubt I'm seeing that Eurogamer or Emily's rumors could be real and everyone is just piggybacking off of each other.
I feel like it's real, but there has to be more because this plug handheld into tv isn't really innovative.
Plus Kimishima said they're not doing anything related to Wii U or Wii and this thing almost sounds like a mash of both with a Gamepad with Wii like remote controls. Of course it's not an exact mash.
I feel like it's real, but there has to be more because this plug handheld into tv isn't really innovative.
Plus Kimishima said they're not doing anything related to Wii U or Wii and this thing almost sounds like a mash of both with a Gamepad with Wii like remote controls. Of course it's not an exact mash.
Angry Chair
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It will only be bought by balding dudes afraid to shave their head?
A separate console would cost way more than a dock. Nintendo is better off applying that daisy chaining SCD patent than putting out a separate console.
There's no reason that Pixel C's clocks can't be reached in a 6.2" tablet with the die shrink to 16nmFF+. I'm very confident in a 256 GFLOPS GPU being the minimum.
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IDK about that. I see a lot of people with their iPads (not mini's even), myself included, out and about.
Personally, I don't give a shit about the portable aspect as I pretty much have to force myself to play my 3DS and Vita and would never buy another dedicated portable. I have little interest in gaming outside the home and have a man cave with a big screen that I can game on anytime I want as no one else uses that room/TV.
But I don't think a 6-7" screen would be a big deterrent for people who like portable gaming. Plenty of people are carrying tablets, ultrabooks and other devices around with them in their purses/messenger bags/backpacks etc. It's rare to see adults with Vitas/3DS anyway, I mostly see kids with those out and about, on planes etc. And parents are probably happy to lug devices for them to keep them occupied.
UnemployedVillain
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I don't get this post. Are you saying people don't carry tablets at all? Tablets that small?
False.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If the SCD patent is properly utilized, upgraded docks could take the form of the "home console" and allow Nintendo to increase the power of the home portion of the hybrid every few years (or sooner) if they wish.
Graphics Horse
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Everyone uses a Vita instead now.
They could probably do it for both if they wanted. But I'm REALLY curious to see what the innards of this so-called SCD will look like, if it's a thing. And considering Nintendo's recent history of patents coming to fruition, I think it might.
I'm guessing it'll be the exact same innards but provide no screen, no controllers, etc. Just the GPU, CPU and RAM.
Fourth Storm
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I wouldn't go lower than that either, but what is the sustained clock of the Pixel C? I'm willing to bet it's not running at 850 Mhz all the time.
Maybe we can look at polygon throughput, though. Latte on Wii U does 1 poly/clock. Pascal does the same per raster engine, of which 256 shaders would have one. Now, someone with detailed knowledge of Nvidia's latest tessellation engine might be able to imagine some work arounds, but if they want to match polygon throughput with Wii U, they'd probably need to clock the GPU equal to Latte.
Dark Cloud
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I'm hoping the dock does nothing except connect the NX to the tv and has a few USB ports for the GameCube adapter and other stuff.
Gamexplain was talking about it and they said an external hard drive wouldn't work because once you take the NX on the go it wouldn't work with an external hardrive or something like that they said.
I hope there will be a SCD to buy separately.
Going back to what the WSJ said last year about the NX consisting of two units I guess it makes a lot more sense now that it's the NX and the dock. Or they counted the dock with the NX and its NX/dock and SCD.
Gamexplain was talking about it and they said an external hard drive wouldn't work because once you take the NX on the go it wouldn't work with an external hardrive or something like that they said.
I hope there will be a SCD to buy separately.
Going back to what the WSJ said last year about the NX consisting of two units I guess it makes a lot more sense now that it's the NX and the dock. Or they counted the dock with the NX and its NX/dock and SCD.
James Scott
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The 2x Wii U comes from the chip in the dev Kit. If it uses pascal it should be able to easily achieve that without using too much energy. Doesn't really mean too much outside of being able to run games from the Wii U/ps360 era at a higher resolution/performance.
Nintendo is also part of the Khronos group so they'd hopefully use Vulkan API which would allow for feature set parity with the new systems (~DX12 equivalent while the Wii U's API was closer to DX10).
I'm not expecting Xbox One performance on this thing, but it should be able to make some pretty nice looking games on it.
I imagine Emily's 2x Wii U comment is simply on the basis that even a modestly clocked Tegra X1 can perform at that level. I doubt it's based on nitty gritty details.
Also I think there's nothing stopping Nintendo from doing cheaper portable or TV only SKUs in the future. One of the big questions when we assumed multiple form factors was how to communicate how a shared ecosystem would work. The obvious way is to launch a form factor that encompasses both first.
Also I think there's nothing stopping Nintendo from doing cheaper portable or TV only SKUs in the future. One of the big questions when we assumed multiple form factors was how to communicate how a shared ecosystem would work. The obvious way is to launch a form factor that encompasses both first.
James Scott
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The SCD patent is essentially what MS marketed as using the power of the cloud. It's meant to offload processes so older systems run like newer systems
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