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[georly]

The rumored nx basically says to me that nintendo is ceding the console market to ps4/xb1. They perform way better in the handheld space in Japan and even the us.

The dock is seemingly a compromise for the Nintendo fan who still wants to play games on the tv. Other than that, this is Nintendo's baby and it isn't meant to compete with ps4 and xb1 and that's fine.

That said, even if it's got about the same power as a wii u in a handheld, that's still enough to play most games out there that aren't big budget AAA things.

 

[Father_Brain]

I can't see any way that the NX will be able to fully satisfy console-only consumers without having a distinct console form factor with improved specs. It's great for guys like me who want to buy a console but can't really justify something a gaming device that I can't take with me on my commute. But the idea of just having the handheld really sounds like they're just giving up on getting the traditional Western consumer; I don't think that sounds good to anyone, Nintendo included.

If by "fully satisfy console-only consumers," you mean getting full AAA multiplatform support, that's just not happening regardless of how powerful NX is, owing to NCL's demonstrated lack of interest in cultivating an audience that will buy such games on their own platforms as opposed to their competition.

If by that, you mean catching lightning in a bottle with a new input gimmick, that's vanishingly unlikely in a mobile-saturated world.

 

[bachikarn]

It's not about chasing power, but reaching a different audience with different needs that won't be interested in the machine they're preparing now. Also, they don't have to necessarily shoot for the highest tflops count. Just put out something that can play their games on any TV without the obvious compromises of mobile chips.

For example, if the 4K TV market explodes in the next two years and they want to reach the audience that wants to play games in 4K on their new 4K TV (something that the hybrid device can't do for obvious reasons), they need a more powerful machine on the market to do that. It's not about competing in specs (which is something they're not interested in, they made it perfectly clear multiple times), but offering a product that could help them expanding their audience.


This too.

This is all good in theory, but it would take a large change in how Nintendo operates. They still design their devices for the Japanese audience, and hope it takes on the West.

For Nintendo to appeal to the audience you are referring to, they would need better Western third party support, but they do not seem too interested in making actual strides there. They need to directly approach third parties with better deals, and more importantly, they need to make their own Western style games to create that audience. Zelda is a good start, but Iwata has neutered their Western studios since taking over. It doesn't help that their one Western studio (Retro) has not been making Western games recently.

Ultimately Nintendo could do a lot to appeal to that audience, but I don't think they want to. I think they would rather put their money into theme parks or 'blue ocean' technologies (which is a smart business decision). I think realistically we should give up on the idea of them going after the console audience unless this hybrid becomes really popular. The hybrid idea is their best way to consolidate their teams, and appeal to the majority of their fanbase.

 

[Angry Chair]

Reggie saying "home console" http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06...ls-aime-talks-amiibo-and-the-skylanders-deal/

No one cares what Reggie says; show me someone from Japan that said it and I will take it seriously. Plus you didn't address how a handheld with TV out will be hard for Nintendo to develop for.

I can't see any way that the NX will be able to fully satisfy console-only consumers without having a distinct console form factor with improved specs. It's great for guys like me who want to buy a console but can't really justify something a gaming device that I can't take with me on my commute. But the idea of just having the handheld really sounds like they're just giving up on getting the traditional Western consumer; I don't think that sounds good to anyone, Nintendo included.

People keep saying this but I'm failing to understand why. How is a console superior to this rumored NX concept with a dock that could theoretically be upgraded? Am I missing something?

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Guys come on

This is not Nintendo "giving up on the console crowd" not even a little. It literally is one.

This device, when docked and playing games on a TV with extra computational juice is a home console, and when you remove it from the dock you can take it with you as a handheld device. It's both, and in an elegant way.

I'm actually very excited, because this means instead of Nintendo needing to focus their efforts on two machines, they essentially can support just one. I'm don't know if it will be an option to make games that only run on the docked NX, but if so that can be a choice developers make.

I really frankly have to say I'm thrilled that the convention of "handheld games must be made very particularly because playing games on the go has totally different sensibilities" could possibly fly out the window now, since games being developed for NX handheld are also going to be developed with the dock and TV in mind. I agree with the sentiment to some degree, but really I think this is paving the way for more meaty handheld experiences from Nintendo (because in effect, it's merging both of their console divisions together).

 

[diaspora]

No one cares what Reggie says; show me someone from Japan that said it and I will take it seriously. Plus you didn't address how a handheld with TV out will be hard for Nintendo to develop for.

People keep saying this but I'm failing to understand why. How is a console superior to this rumored NX concept with a dock that could theoretically be upgraded? Am I missing something?

Because the concept's rumoured hardware looks like garbage for a 3rd gen in a row for a home console.

Guys come on

This is not Nintendo "giving up on the console crowd" not even a little. It literally is one.

This device, when docked and playing games on a TV with extra computational juice is a home console, and when you remove it from the dock you can take it with you as a handheld device. It's both, and in an elegant way.

I'm actually very excited, because this means instead of Nintendo needing to focus their efforts on two machines, they essentially can support just one. I'm don't know if it will be an option to make games that only run on the docked NX, but if so that can be a choice developers make.

I really frankly have to say I'm thrilled that the convention of "handheld games must be made very particularly because playing games on the go has totally different sensibilities" could possibly fly out the window now, since games being developed for NX handheld are also going to be developed with the dock and TV in mind. I agree with the sentiment to some degree, but really I think this is paving the way for more meaty handheld experiences from Nintendo (because in effect, it's merging both of their console divisions together).

Right, but as a home console it looks like shit. People keep citing nonsense about a dock and SCDs as though it's going to have any more of an affect than Microsoft's power of the cloud ridiculousness.

 

[Oregano]

Because the concept's rumoured hardware looks like garbage for a 3rd gen in a row for a home console.



Right, but as a home console it looks like shit. People keep citing nonsense about a dock and SCDs as though it's going to have any more of an affect than Microsoft's power of the cloud ridiculousness.

I think you need a reboot, you seem to be stuck on repeat.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

No one cares what Reggie says; show me someone from Japan that said it and I will take it seriously. Plus you didn't address how a handheld with TV out will be hard for Nintendo to develop for.

To be fair to eifer, you didn't specify that earlier and this comes across as moving the goal posts.

With that said, I don't think Reggie's words should be discounted. But I also don't think him saying "home console" means much, because if it's a hybrid, that would a term that can be applied to it

 

[Kissenkopf]

No one cares what Reggie says; show me someone from Japan that said it and I will take it seriously. Plus you didn't address how a handheld with TV out will be hard for Nintendo to develop for.

People keep saying this but I'm failing to understand why. How is a console superior to this rumored NX concept with a dock that could theoretically be upgraded? Am I missing something?

We have no evidence that there is a docking station at all. All we hear is about an handheld for now...there is no rumor from EG or anybody with a good track record who really says we get an dock. And on top of that even if we get such a thing the question remains if it could get upgrades or anything like that.

Edit: Damn it. EG said that there is a docking station. >_< Forget my words!

 

[eifer]

No one cares what Reggie says; show me someone from Japan that said it and I will take it seriously. Plus you didn't address how a handheld with TV out will be hard for Nintendo to develop for.

People keep saying this but I'm failing to understand why. How is a console superior to this rumored NX concept with a dock that could theoretically be upgraded? Am I missing something?

The CEO of Nintendo of America isn't a good enough source for you? lol

 

[diaspora]

I think you need a reboot, you seem to be stuck on repeat.

Pointing out that the SCD/dock hopeful nonsense is just that- nonsense compared to Microsoft's cloud stuff is new.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

We have no evidence that there is a docking station at all. All we hear is about an handheld for now...there is no rumor from EG or anybody with a good track record who really says we get an dock. And on top of that even if we get such a thing the question remains if it could get upgrades or anything like that.

Huh? The original Eurogamer rumor is where the dock idea came from:

A base unit, or dock station, is used to connect the brain of the NX - within the controller - to display on your TV.

But some people have taken that idea and run wild with it, now expecting it to increase the NX's power, when EG said nothing of the sort

 

[ArchedThunder]

We have no evidence that there is a docking station at all. All we hear is about an handheld for now...there is no rumor from EG or anybody with a good track record who really says we get an dock. And on top of that even if we get such a thing the question remains if it could get upgrades or anything like that.

The Eurogamer leak said there is a dock with TV out...

 

[Angry Chair]

Because the concept's rumoured hardware looks like garbage for a 3rd gen in a row for a home console.

A console won't fix that unless it unless it has a different chipset which isn't going to happen.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Right, but as a home console it looks like shit.

Most thought the same about Wii. That didn't suddenly disqualify it from home console status.

When Nintendo does something that doesn't jive with certain people's desires, they tend to look for reasons why their current endeavor doesn't count.

 

[Oregano]

Pointing out that the SCD/dock hopeful nonsense is just that- nonsense compared to Microsoft's cloud stuff is new.

True, the chance that it will get more than like 30% boost when docked are minute(and even a <30% is unlikely). What isn't new is "NX is shit as a home console" which you've repeated numerous times. It's perfectly fine to feel that way but it's a waste of energy to constantly reiterate it.

 

[Kissenkopf]

The Eurogamer leak said there is a dock with TV out...

Oh lol, I got confused! Sorry for that. Would have sworn that the EG rumor didn't said anything about it...maybe I'm getting old. .___.

 

[James Scott]

How could it possibly have a bigger library than a traditional home console? Gimmicky hardware is more difficult to develop for. There will certainly be fewer games on this console than if it were a traditional home console.

It's not really harder to develop for, it anything it'll be considerably easier to make an NX game than a ps4 one.
It will probably not get every port, but that's not a guarantee with powerful hardware either.
There will be a traditional control method so they wouldn't need to use every facet of the controller but it's an option there.
When devs said Wii U gamepad was hard to develop for they likely meant they struggled to find a way to make the game better on Wii U vs other platforms and they needed an added selling point due to the small install base

 

[ArchedThunder]

Oh lol, I got confused! Sorry for that. Would have sworn that the EG rumor didn't said anything about it...maybe I'm getting old. .___.

Nothing was said about the dock improving performance, that's just speculation based off of a Nintendo patent, that might be why you were confused.

 

[Azoo]

If you can keep your NX plugged into the dock at all times and either use the dual wiimotes (or a pro controller, preferably) then I don't know what there is to be upset about.

Nintendo isn't in this to make the most powerful console, or cater to a specific audience; they're here to make the most accessible and effecient thing possible, and that may mean bringing all their content to one platform this time. And I certainly don't believe Nintendo sees as much of a separation in home and handheld experiences as some may.

I mean yeah it'd be nice if there was a NX home-only variant for cheaper, but its not likely for a home variant to be any more powerful. Anything about that SCD patent is probably for later down the line.

 

[James Scott]

The rumored nx basically says to me that nintendo is ceding the console market to ps4/xb1. They perform way better in the handheld space in Japan and even the us.

The dock is seemingly a compromise for the Nintendo fan who still wants to play games on the tv. Other than that, this is Nintendo's baby and it isn't meant to compete with ps4 and xb1 and that's fine.

That said, even if it's got about the same power as a wii u in a handheld, that's still enough to play most games out there that aren't big budget AAA things.

It's going to be increasingly difficult to compete with Sony and MS in the power struggle, especially with them releasing mid Gen upgrades which would be rendered their efforts mute.
Going for their own thing like DS, 3DS, and Wii is likely the best route to take

 

[Peterc]

Reggie saying "home console" http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06...ls-aime-talks-amiibo-and-the-skylanders-deal/

Nintendo always release handheld first before a console. The nx could be a console too, if it has a base station.

 

[Angry Chair]

To be fair to eifer, you didn't specify that earlier and this comes across as moving the goal posts.

With that said, I don't think Reggie's words should be discounted. But I also don't think him saying "home console" means much, because if it's a hybrid, that would a term that can be applied to it

This is all true.

We have no evidence that there is a docking station at all. All we hear is about an handheld for now...there is no rumor from EG or anybody with a good track record who really says we get an dock. And on top of that even if we get such a thing the question remains if it could get upgrades or anything like that.

Edit: Damn it. EG said that there is a docking station. >_< Forget my words!

I win? Maybe?

The CEO of Nintendo of America isn't a good enough source for you? lol

No.

 

[Kutastha]

"We're not building the next version of the Wii or Wii U." -Kimishima, Dec. 2015

NX rumors: It's totally going to be a Wii U gamepad with break away Wii remotes on each side, guys!"

Too many people: "I totally believe this. Let's make mock-ups!"

 

[OrbitalBeard]

"We're not building the next version of the Wii or Wii U." -Kimishima, Dec. 2015

NX rumors: It's totally going to be a Wii U gamepad with break away Wii remotes on each side, guys!"

Too many people: "I totally believe this. Let's make mock-ups!"

Well then clearly Nintendo's Scorpio killer is almost upon us. Powered by AMD, of course.

 

[Plinko]

"We're not building the next version of the Wii or Wii U." -Kimishima, Dec. 2015

NX rumors: It's totally going to be a Wii U gamepad with break away Wii remotes on each side, guys!"

Too many people: "I totally believe this. Let's make mock-ups!"

I think you're reading those comments completely incorrectly.

 

[Father_Brain]

"We're not building the next version of the Wii or Wii U." -Kimishima, Dec. 2015

NX rumors: It's totally going to be a Wii U gamepad with break away Wii remotes on each side, guys!"

Too many people: "I totally believe this. Let's make mock-ups!"

LOL, I think I recognize you from the NintendoNX Reddit.

No company in history has ever exaggerated the uniqueness or originality of their own product! Wrap it up, folks, Eurogamer, IGN, Kotaku, MCV, and the Wall Street Journal can be safely dismissed as lying clickbait sites!

 

[James Scott]

"We're not building the next version of the Wii or Wii U." -Kimishima, Dec. 2015

NX rumors: It's totally going to be a Wii U gamepad with break away Wii remotes on each side, guys!"

Too many people: "I totally believe this. Let's make mock-ups!"

Wii U=expensive and weak console
NX=powerful handheld
There's a big difference and not really a Wii U or a Wii.

 

[Oregano]

LOL, I think I recognize you from the NintendoNX Reddit.

No company in history has ever exaggerated the uniqueness or originality of their own product! Wrap it up, folks, Eurogamer, IGN, Kotaku, MCV, and the Wall Street Journal can be safely dismissed as lying clickbait sites!

I think there's a limit to how unique something can be anyway. Even a Wii U is like 90% a traditional console with traditional controls.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Wii U=expensive and weak console
NX=powerful handheld
There's a big difference and not really a Wii U or a Wii.

Well, Kimi also said it's not the successor to 3DS. Because NX is not simply a powerful handheld and Nintendo certainly isn't going to market it as such outside of Japan. I'd be surprised if they don't heavily emphasize its TV-docking ability in the west.

 

[diaspora]

Most thought the same about Wii. That didn't suddenly disqualify it from home console status.

When Nintendo does something that doesn't jive with certain people's desires, they tend to look for reasons why their current endeavor doesn't count.

This... thing isn't discounted from home console status but like the Wii and Wii U the hardware looks like ass as a home console for the 3rd damn generation in a row.

 

[NateDrake]

"We're not building the next version of the Wii or Wii U." -Kimishima, Dec. 2015

NX rumors: It's totally going to be a Wii U gamepad with break away Wii remotes on each side, guys!"

Too many people: "I totally believe this. Let's make mock-ups!"

I don't stretch this much when I wake up in the morning.

Motion controller doesn't equal Wii remote. A tablet controller doesn't equal a Wii U GamePad.

 

[James Scott]

I don't stretch this much when I wake up in the morning.

Motion controller doesn't equal Wii remote. A tablet controller doesn't equal a Wii U GamePad.

Are we even sure the NX can even be used as a tablet controller while plugged into the TV? I'm not too sure.

 

[Kutastha]

Well then clearly Nintendo's Scorpio killer is almost upon us. Powered by AMD, of course.

False dichotomy.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Are we even sure the NX can even be used as a tablet controller while plugged into the TV? I'm not too sure.

Well, if it needs to be plugged into the dock, I wouldn't think so. That's probably one of the main reasons detachable controllers are a part of this.

 

[MacTag]

"We're not building the next version of the Wii or Wii U." -Kimishima, Dec. 2015

NX rumors: It's totally going to be a Wii U gamepad with break away Wii remotes on each side, guys!"

Too many people: "I totally believe this. Let's make mock-ups!"

It's not the successor to Wii U. It's actually the complete reverse setup. It's the anti-Wii U.

 

[NateDrake]

Are we even sure the NX can even be used as a tablet controller while plugged into the TV? I'm not too sure.

Probably not since it needs to be docked.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Whatever, this gives me the perfect opportunity to go handheld-only finally and never have to worry about having to have a TV around. Handhelds are just a far better gaming ecosystem than consoles.

In your opinion, obviously!

 

[Kutastha]

LOL, I think I recognize you from the NintendoNX Reddit.

No company in history has ever exaggerated the uniqueness or originality of their own product! Wrap it up, folks, Eurogamer, IGN, Kotaku, MCV, and the Wall Street Journal can be safely dismissed as lying clickbait sites!

So what you're saying is that in order to move away from the Wii and Wii U, it makes sense to just copy them.

 

[Refreshment.01]

But people have been predicting a hybrid for years

only because Nintendo mentioned it first.

This basic strategy has been predicted even previous to the Wii U's release:

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=36197188

Not saying im wright or wrong. It's just a very plausible scenario, backed with a real life example (Japan) and consumer trends, that they should consider rather now than later as it gives then the chance to innovate with a product different from the competition. That is if Nintendo decided to use a portable/home console hybrid.

There's plenty more things in that thread that are lining up if these rumors end up holding some truth, but at the least the fact that Nintendo moved into a more unfied development environment fullfiled that scenario.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=36196436#post36196436

Are we even sure the NX can even be used as a tablet controller while plugged into the TV? I'm not too sure.

Did you miss the post about the dock in this thread?

In short i was discussing what implications and functionality would be added to the device if Nintendo opts to put Wifi and a simple CPU in the dock. With Wifi for example, the user could use the NX touch screen while the game is displayed on the TV.

There were even examples mentioned about some devices and all in one solutions that supports Wifi, USB and have an ARM or Mips simple CPU that go around between 10 - 20 dollars sold at detail. Raspabery Pi A+, contains a lot more hardware tna the dock would need and goes for around 20.

 

[brandonh83]

August will you fucking END

 

[James Scott]

Well, if it needs to be plugged into the dock, I wouldn't think so. That's probably one of the main reasons detachable controllers are a part of this.

Probably not since it needs to be docked.

Yep, would've been weird for Aonuma to ditch gamepad functionality and trash it if it was going to be used on NX

So what you're saying is that in order to move away from the Wii and Wii U, it makes sense to just copy them.

Having motion controls doesn't mean copying Wii. Everything has motion controls even ps4 had Wii motes

 

[Genio88]

Are we even sure the NX can even be used as a tablet controller while plugged into the TV? I'm not too sure.

Actually nothing is for sure so far, there is even still the possibility that NX is a PC online store

 

[Oregano]

It's not the successor to Wii U. It's actually the complete reverse setup. It's the anti-Wii U.

NX on comparisons to the Wii U.

 

[Franz Brötchen]

This... thing isn't discounted from home console status but like the Wii and Wii U the hardware looks like ass as a home console for the 3rd damn generation in a row.

Everything is a joke to PC and it will be in the foreseeable future. The past years are the grand exception to the rule that the most powerful system will NOT be the most successful. Even worse: Scorpio will imo not be able to turn the tide for XBox but it will reinstate the mentioned rule.

If having comparatively weak hardware is the only complaint that will meet the NX, Nintendo will be pretty happy with that.

 

[James Scott]

Actually nothing is for sure so far, there is even still the possibility that NX is a PC online store

NX was announced because they wanted to show that they were still dedicated to creating hardware so it's not that

 

[Holepunch]

I feel like people expecting the dock to boost performance are completely missing the point of the hybrid. The point is to unify Nintendo's software into a single platform. You can't really consider it a single platform if they have "console" specs and weaker "handheld" specs to work with. All of their development for consoles games would be bogged down and limited with parallel development to make sure it still runs in handheld mode. They'd also have to double up on assets if they want a gorgeous console look and a compromised handheld look.

They kind of already tried that with Smash 4 and Hyrule Warriors being on both 3DS and Wii U. Remember how Smash 4 lost Ice Climbers because the 3DS didn't have processing power for an AI partner? Remember how Hyrule Warriors ran fine on the Wii U but was laggy on New 3DS and damn near unplayable on old 3DS?

I can only see this working as a portable with TV out, and I'm totally fine with that.

 

[martino]

Reggie saying "home console" http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06...ls-aime-talks-amiibo-and-the-skylanders-deal/

he's realist he don't expect people to take 10" handled outside home (i hope)

 

[Genio88]

I feel like people expecting the dock to boost performance are completely missing the point of the hybrid. The point is to unify Nintendo's software into a single platform. You can't really consider it a single platform if they have "console" specs and weaker "handheld" specs to work with. All of their development for consoles games would be bogged down and limited with parallel development to make sure it still runs in handheld mode. They'd also have to double up on assets if they want a gorgeous console look and a compromised handheld look.

They kind of already tried that with Smash 4 and Hyrule Warriors being on both 3DS and Wii U. Remember how Smash 4 lost Ice Climbers because the 3DS didn't have processing power for an AI partner? Remember how Hyrule Warriors ran fine on the Wii U but was laggy on New 3DS and damn near unplayable on old 3DS?

I can only see this working as a portable with TV out, and I'm totally fine with that.

Yes, indeed i'm also 99% sure that the dock will just be used to project the NX to the TV, adding other gamepads etc, additional hardware into it would just make the console expensive, which doesn't seem the case for NX, and would also create problems of compatibility etc

 

[npm0925]

The NX will have USB ports? Mind blown! Can someone contact Emily Rogers to see if she can get confirmation the NX will run on electricity?