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[Plinko]

I'm dying for an announcement. Also I hope the scroll wheels are real because I think that's a fantastic idea.

I do, too, but I think we'd have heard that in the leak. That would stand out quite a bit.

 

[Trago]

I think that they'll wait till the very last second to announce the announcement. Like, announcement and event in the last week of September lol.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

That supposed Nintendo employee that someone here(maybe 10LOLk) spoke to said no scroll wheels.
Nate said he was a legitimate person but that he has no idea whether he said those things as he wasn't the one talking to him.

 

[TyMiles2012]

Thin slide-over controls. Like the patent but thin. That way you wouldn't make it much bigger.


I hope it would have 4g simcard slot

If it does, the system absolutely HAS to be unlocked , and that even includes Verizon support. I think the 3G on the Vita was a huge mistake by making it AT&T exclusive.

I get the feeling that they won't happen.

I agree, but the weapon select menu for BoTW make it seem that they'll be included.

 

[jmizzal]

That supposed Nintendo employee that someone here(maybe 10LOLk) spoke to said no scroll wheels.
Nate said he was a legitimate person but that he has no idea whether he said those things as he wasn't the one talking to him.

Its possible the dev kits dont have scroll wheel also, which would be a reason why no rumors talked about them

 

[10k]

Give me this Nintendo please all I have been asking for

You and me both.

N64 and GCN may not have sold well but the hardware was excellent and software had some solid gems during those eras.

 

[Kissenkopf]

Its possible the dev kits dont have scroll wheel also, which would be a reason why no rumors talked about them

Isn't thear a rumor floating around that the final Dev-Kit will be send out in early september? If we don't hear anything then I guess the scroll wheels won't happen.

 

[Clessidor]

Isn't thear a rumor floating around that the final Dev-Kit will be send out in early september? If we don't hear anything then I guess the scroll wheels won't happen.

I think scroll wheels would be a feature they would have to build into the devkit quite early, so they can design their games with the right input in mind. So I guess if there would be some, devs would already knew it.
Because we haven't heard so far of them, we have no reason to expect them besides the patent.

 

[Inviusx]

720p?

Is this 2012?

 

[Peterc]

720p?

Is this 2012?

For handheld? 2012.

Let me see a ps4 high end game that plays on mobile in 1080p today. I'll wait here.

It's 2016 so there would be enough choice.

 

[Dr. Buni]

720p?

Is this 2012?

720p is more than enough. I hope the device isn't too expensive because of stuff like 720p resolution. 540p would have been enough, I feel.

 

[Malus]

Isn't thear a rumor floating around that the final Dev-Kit will be send out in early september? If we don't hear anything then I guess the scroll wheels won't happen.

There was a rumor from LCGeek that more dev kits would hit this month, actually. No corresponding leaks as of yet though.

 

[Discomurf]

720p is more than enough. I hope the device isn't too expensive because of stuff like 720p resolution. 540p would have been enough, I feel.

On the handheld side heck ya 720p is great - however when playing on a TV if it just upscales and its not true 1080p that will be very, very disappointing.

 

[ggx2ac]

Would anyone like to counter my argument in the post I made earlier up the current page?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=215285766

I don't want to feel like I hit the nail on the head and got you a girl who can do both just yet.

There was definitely people in the last couple of pages that aren't convinced of the NX being a hybrid, it shouldn't be too hard to give a rebuttal to my argument that instead the NX is going to become a separate handheld and console again.

I'm not in the mood for the passive argument of, "Let's just wait until the NX is revealed."

 

[Rodin]

For handheld? 2012.

Let me see a ps4 high end game that plays on mobile in 1080p today. I'll wait here.

It's 2016 so there would be enough choice.

Well, you could've asked for a mid PS3 title that plays on mobile in sub res today and he still couldn't provide anything.

There was a rumor from LCGeek that more dev kits would hit this month, actually. No corresponding leaks as of yet though.

Yeah i was thinking about that too. Maybe there was some kind of delay to the first week of september or so?

Spoiler

But that would mean that tilmen is right :O
... sooo, maybe nothing leaked?

/s

Didn't the leak (or at least one of them) say the detachable controllers are using IR to sense input on the detachable controllers, since they are not powered?

Something like that yeah. Not sure if it was a leak or a patent. We've had too many of them lol

 

[Instro]

If Nx works without the detachable controllers it means it has 3 batteries. Imagine trying to play and not knowing which of the 3 has emptied. Of course there could be an indication saying which one. I also wonder if the controllers will just use AAA instead of Li-Ion.

Sounds like a cluster. Very Nintendo-esque.

 

[risq_aus]

Didn't the leak (or at least one of them) say the base unit is using IR to sense input on the detachable controllers, since they are not powered?

 

[MCN]

Didn't the leak (or at least one of them) say the detachable controllers are using IR to sense input on the detachable controllers, since they are not powered?

How would that even work? For IR, both transmitter and receiver need to be powered.

 

[Peterc]

Would anyone like to counter my argument in the post I made earlier up the current page?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=215285766

I don't want to feel like I hit the nail on the head and got you a girl who can do both just yet.

There was definitely people in the last couple of pages that aren't convinced of the NX being a hybrid, it shouldn't be too hard to give a rebuttal to my argument that instead the NX is going to become a separate handheld and console again.

I'm not in the mood for the passive argument of, "Let's just wait until the NX is revealed."

When ps5 is released the nx wouldn't be supported anymore after a while. Nintendo haven't to be same as others. But they have to share the same library. 3rd party devs aren't crazy to support all consoles for each game they make.

Thats why i don't think psvr would do any good for Sony.

3ds was good but not at nds level. It's way to expensive to do this on a nx level

 

[jeffers]

Didn't the leak (or at least one of them) say the base unit is using IR to sense input on the detachable controllers, since they are not powered?

patent, not leak. nothing says a company has to use a patent and they are usually a bit of a land grab endeavour.

 

[Discomurf]

How would that even work? For IR, both transmitter and receiver need to be powered.

the patent is based on camera tech that identities physical button presses etc

 

[kmag]

I think people in here are obsessed with fitting portable devices in their pockets.
Pockets are tiny now. People don't wear cargo shorts and the pockets on women's clothes are generally just fake pockets, made to look like a pocket but with no actual opening.

When was the last time a portable was realistically pocketable? The GBA sp? At the limits would be the ds lite. Any larger than that and you've got this disturbing and uncomfortable lump straining your pants. Plus people will already be carrying a cellphone in their pocket if they can, and they won't be getting rid of that to quickdraw a Nintendo.

Give up on the pocket dreams. Put it in your handbag or manbag.

This is GAF, we've all got disturbing and uncomfortable lumps straining our pants.

 

[ggx2ac]

When ps5 is released the nx wouldn't be supported anymore after a while. Nintendo haven't to be same as others. But they have to share the same library. 3rd party devs aren't crazy to support all consoles for each game they make.

Thats why i don't think psvr would do any good.

3ds was good but not at nds level. It's way to expensive to do this on a nx level

I don't understand what you are saying.

The only thing I could get out of that was that if Sony releases a PS5, Nintendo would be screwed with regards to 3rd party support again.

Edit: I still don't get what you're saying. What does the supposed failure of the PSVR have anything to do with Nintendo not making a hybrid?

 

[Graphics Horse]

How would that even work? For IR, both transmitter and receiver need to be powered.

Talking about the optical sensor patent I think, shines IR against specially designed innards that show the button state without any electronics needed. It's not a complete answer though, as you'd need power and an internal measurement system for the detached mode.
If they can find a way to keep the controller ends from draining while they are attached it's worth doing I reckon.

 

[sviri]

My hype function has passed it's inflection point following a relative max. So now I want them to completely blow me away with what they have to show. Either that or wait until my hype is rising again.

 

[Kurdel]

For handheld? 2012.

Let me see a ps4 high end game that plays on mobile in 1080p today. I'll wait here.

It's 2016 so there would be enough choice.

The biggest mobile game of the year is pokemon Go.

If you follow mobile game industry at all you would know there is 0 incentive to make a high budget games that push the most advanced hardware.

Epic Citadel and Infinity blade are 6 years old by now.

It's hard to imagine what could be done with the added power over the last 6 years,

 

[Dark Cloud]

I'm guessing if the GameFreak rumor is true and let's say they're making a port of Sun/Moon that it won't be shown at the reveal. That's something they'd like to show after Sun/Moon releases on the 3DS to maximize sales.

 

[MoonFrog]

Would anyone like to counter my argument in the post I made earlier up the current page?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=215285766

I don't want to feel like I hit the nail on the head and got you a girl who can do both just yet.

There was definitely people in the last couple of pages that aren't convinced of the NX being a hybrid, it shouldn't be too hard to give a rebuttal to my argument that instead the NX is going to become a separate handheld and console again.

I'm not in the mood for the passive argument of, "Let's just wait until the NX is revealed."

I don't really think there are good arguments. Most of it boils down to people really not wanting a hybrid for some reason or other, usually because they want a Nintendo corebox. Talk of handheld first got similar reactions in the past. To make it more disheartening (to some), we all thought Iwata had put hybrid off the table, that hybrid was too expensive, and that rumors pointed to home console, not handheld.

I'd add this to the hybrid argument (my post above):

When hybrid was off the table, shared library could not be used as a consumer side 'gimmick.' People aren't going to buy their first NX device because if they buy another they can play the same software on both. This makes me think about the advantage of a bundle and simultaneous release of both form factors, but a bundle would probably be too expensive, if the devices were designed to be stand-alone with the home console spec'd close to or above PS4.

Yes, shared library alone does change things on the production side by unifying development, and through this lessening the instance of droughts, which in turn would make the product more appealing to consumers. But it provides no hardware hook, which, going up against smart phones on one side and PS4/XBone on the other would not be a good thing to lack.

As such, I think hybrid is the best solution, if Nintendo can pull it off at a reasonable price. It sets the hardware apart from both phones and home consoles. It ensures the shared library for non-Nintendo software. So a hardware hook and a software hook. It is the most elegant solution to the issues Nintendo faces, provided it still cares about both audiences.

Moreover, leading handheld is leading from their relative position of strength. I think hybrid has always made the most sense but we thought it was off the table. Handheld only made the next most sense, but the rumors pointed home console. I think that is the only reason home console talk made sense at all.

Also, Japan has been Nintendo's chief concern for the entirety of the Iwata era at least. That also suggests handheld lead, which suggests that sacrificing home console power is a lesser concern for Nintendo. This is Wii U 2.0 (bring the Japanese to the TV) that can afford to fail at that as it is also the 3DS successor.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

The biggest mobile game of the year is pokemon Go.

If you follow mobile game industry at all you would know there is 0 incentive to make a high budget games that push the most advanced hardware.

The problem is most phone games, especially on the Android side, have to target a whole bunch of different specs. So games on high end phones or tablets still have to look like Wii games with better shaders because they also have to run on cheap Mediatek or Rockchip powered devices.

And people bitching about 720p don't realise that games on their 1080p/QHD phone are running at 720p or less anyway because their phone doesn't have the hardware to run something at native res with decent performance.

 

[jdstorm]

It's funny that people are getting so caught up on the idea of the NX playing games at 1080p. The PS4 doesn't even do that on every title. One of its most successful shooters. Rainbow 6 Siege runs natively at 540p.

I get that GAF is hoping for a powerful Nintendo device. However I really wish people would stop making resolution the only thing that matters.

 

[Speely]

It's funny that people are getting so caught up on the idea of the NX playing games at 1080p. The PS4 doesn't even do that on every title. One of its most successful shooters. Rainbow 6 Siege runs natively at 540p.

I get that GAF is hoping for a powerful Nintendo device. However I really wish people would stop making resolution the only thing that matters.

GAF is an outlier. If NX games look good, that will be enough for the blue ocean market they are going after, and for many of us enthusiasts as well. In the end, Nintendo thrives when delivering good games for platforms that have big install bases. Everything else, resolution included, is academic.

I am more worried about how they market the NX than I am about how powerful it is.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

It's funny that people are getting so caught up on the idea of the NX playing games at 1080p. The PS4 doesn't even do that on every title. One of its most successful shooters. Rainbow 6 Siege runs natively at 540p.

I get that GAF is hoping for a powerful Nintendo device. However I really wish people would stop making resolution the only thing that matters.

Resolution is not at the top of my priority list, never was.
I feel sorry for people that can't enjoy games in 720p.
I can enjoy them on the Gamepad, think they look good because I'm not comparing them to other devices.
The only people I can understand are those that are fed up with the 3DS screen, the games are playable but that image quality is archaic ass.

 

[Claude Augario]

Software rumors when

 

[MoonFrog]

Resolution is not at the top of my priority list, never was.
I feel sorry for people that can't enjoy games in 720p.
I can enjoy them on the Gamepad, think they look good because I'm not comparing them to other devices.
The only people I can understand are those that are fed up with the 3DS screen, the games are playable but that image quality is archaic ass.

Yeah, I'm quite dumb about these things tbh. I can notice prettier graphics, but I settle in pretty well to all but the most eye-tearing stuff. I think Wii U is pretty enough. Maybe I won't think that when I go back to it from NX, at least not at first, but that's also part of my point. I may be a sedentary in-my-house sort of gamer, so in that sense I prefer a home console as I play a handheld like a home console, but I don't care if that console has particularly beefy parts as long as it looks good to me. That I can take it around the house and game in other rooms, cool as well.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

It's funny that people are getting so caught up on the idea of the NX playing games at 1080p. The PS4 doesn't even do that on every title. One of its most successful shooters. Rainbow 6 Siege runs natively at 540p.

I get that GAF is hoping for a powerful Nintendo device. However I really wish people would stop making resolution the only thing that matters.

Rainbow 6 Siege runs at 1080p on PS4. Am I missing something here?

 

[udivision]

Software rumors when

Those were the early rumors.

They weren't very interesting to be honest.

 

[jdstorm]

Rainbow 6 Siege runs at 1080p on PS4. Am I missing something here?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-rainbow-six-siege-face-off

Not sure how to quote from articles. But check this

Edit. The paragraph just below the video

 

[Plinko]

Software rumors when

We'll probably hear nothing until the reveal, and then it may be spread out further down the line.

Early rumors have been a new Mario and Animal Crossing within the first year, Zelda:BotW at launch, and other assorted bits and pieces (i.e., the person who insists that Luigi's Mansion 3 is coming at launch, etc.).

 

[ggx2ac]

I don't really think there are good arguments. Most of it boils down to people really not wanting a hybrid for some reason or other, usually because they want a Nintendo corebox. Talk of handheld first got similar reactions in the past.

That's why it's annoying that I can't find an opponent that can put me into doubt about this.

All I've had on Twitter are passive whiners and people who play the victim card when their bullshit is called out.

Other than that, I was thinking that even if Nintendo made a Project Scorpio, I feel it would just put them in an arms race that they can't win. Look at what happened, PS4 dominated the Xbox One. Suddenly, Microsoft decides to make an upgrade for the Xbox one but it may as well be considered a generational leap at this point. They're even trying to compete with PSVR with having their own VR, can't remember if it was going to be Oculus Rift though.

 

[Neoxon]

I'm guessing if the GameFreak rumor is true and let's say they're making a port of Sun/Moon that it won't be shown at the reveal. That's something they'd like to show after Sun/Moon releases on the 3DS to maximize sales.

That's the problem Nintendo may face during the reveal. They'd want the hype for the NX, but they'd screw over the 3DS version sales-wise by revealing the hypothetical port of Sun/Moon before November.

 

[Boney]

That's the problem Nintendo may face during the reveal. They'd want the hype for the NX, but they'd screw over the 3DS version sales-wise by revealing the hypothetical port of Sun/Moon before November.

you mean the people that buy the same game twice?

They'll be fine.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

That's the problem Nintendo may face during the reveal. They'd want the hype for the NX, but they'd screw over the 3DS version sales-wise by revealing the hypothetical port of Sun/Moon before November.

For something that won't be released for, at minimum, 5 months after the 3ds version, it makes no business sense to show it off yet.

There will be so many games announced they won't need pokemon to be at the event

 

[DragonKnight]

Whatever happened to that xescape or whatever dude from way back when?

 

[Cow Mengde]

That's the problem Nintendo may face during the reveal. They'd want the hype for the NX, but they'd screw over the 3DS version sales-wise by revealing the hypothetical port of Sun/Moon before November.

Or it is the 3rd version, Pokemon Star.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

Or it is the 3rd version, Pokemon Star.

Or a remake.

Or some kind of side story that isn't a Pokemon League trainer plot, like Pokemon XD.

 

[ggx2ac]

So it looks like that 5GHz Wifi for something from Sony was confirmed to be for the PS4 Slim

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1270869

Unless specified otherwise.

So it just narrows that PSP-like device to either a Chinese Handheld Android device or supposedly the NX.

What reasons would this device be supposedly the NX?

-The worker probably saw a prototype model if it didn't have any branding on it.

- He assumed it was a Sony device because if he saw something with two screens, he probably would have identified it as a 3DS.

- If he knew what the Wii U Gamepad was since Wii U's are manufactured at Foxconn, he could have identified it as that.

So the speculation is: If it's the NX, it would have been smaller than a Wii U Gamepad.

However, it's just as likely that this PSP-like device is just a Chinese Android Handheld because there wasn't any funny description about the controllers since we assume them to be detachable.

So at this point, there's not much to go off of unless that Foxconn worker can leak more about it.

Edit: To misidentify something is possible. If you saw an unbranded Wii U Pro Controller with no details on what the buttons are. You'd think it was a new Xbox 360 controller if the Wii U hadn't been revealed yet.

 

[Refreshment.01]

Why are people assuming the controllers will attach at the sides? Why couldn't it be a clamshell, where the controllers attach to the sides of the bottom half.

The bottom half could also house a big-ass battery and a card slot, while the main motherboard is in the top-half, behind the screen.

Here's a 5-minute concept I knocked up in Paint to demonstrate:

This has been brought up already. There's a different set of advantages and sacrificies with each design.

Some very quick things that came to me without much though put into it that are worth to consider:

• This approach helps with the device width as it's reduced.
• Has the added bonus of protecting the screen and components.
• Increased portability and ease to carry around.

Now on the other hand, some drawbacks:

• The touch screen loses ease of access. A touch screen dangling from a hinge is farther away from the thumbs.
• The width is reduced but the thickness increases when folded.
• The height of the top half might also increase. In my view point a Wii Remote like controller for a portable device would be practical at a 4.5'' size. A 6.2'' screen is about 3'' tall so you' ll be adding some extra bezel area to match the bottom part. However, this might not be an issue at all.
• The balance of the device when it's open in handheld mode becomes tricky. Remember you are putting the mayority of the device components in the top half, so the mayority of the weight would be in there.

It's what i've been thinking all along, that people are fixating too much on a WiiU/Vita setup. The middle space below in your mockup, could be a trackpad for when the tablet is docked perhaps. Even the NX-like device from Starfox has a design more like this than the WiiU.

The trackpad suggestion wouldn't work as you think when you consider MCN design carefully since the botton part of the device that is not the detachable controller is with the rest of the top part when docked. Remember the cartridge slot and battery are in there.

 

[foltzie1]

USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.1 gen 1,or 3.1 gen 2. Type A or C

 

[Neoxon]

Or it is the 3rd version, Pokemon Star.

That would be a likely choice. And while I would normally recall that they normally make it a cross-gen release rather than NX-only, Game Freak did move on to the Game Boy Color for Pokémon Crystal being GBC-only, so it's not unprecedented.

USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.1 gen 1,or 3.1 gen 2. Type A or C

It'll probably be 3.0 Type-A on the dock & Micro USB on the device itself (or perhaps they'll use a proprietary plug like with their handhelds). Nintendo literally just adopted Micro USB with the NES Mini after sticking with Mini USB for the Pro Controller. And as much as I would love for Nintendo to jump to Type-C, I don't think they will given how they've been slightly behind the times in terms of USB standards.

you mean the people that buy the same game twice?

They'll be fine.

That's mainly marketed towards people who coordinate & buy the opposite game (this is usually the case with best friends, couples, or siblings). A port of Sun/Moon on the NX would be a totally different scenario.

 

[Atheerios]

That's the problem Nintendo may face during the reveal. They'd want the hype for the NX, but they'd screw over the 3DS version sales-wise by revealing the hypothetical port of Sun/Moon before November.

It will just follow the usual Pokémon cycle. I'm pretty sure, 100% sure, it won't be a launch game.

Probably will be revealed in May and launched in October-November.