Support NeoGAF

[Retronix]

Hey man, it's a bit blurrier and some of the models have less detail. That means it's unplayable shit.

Have you played the original one on wii?, Is NOT just blurrier, the framerate is all over the place compared to the wii one.

And let's have a look at Hyrule Warriors

https://youtu.be/4p0pI018jQ0

My original point still stands, NX can be waker than the WiiU but still manage BotW, just not without compromises.

 

[MacTag]

The hardware design of the Xbox One is fine, it uses a standard CPU and GPU form the same family as it's competition. The kinect is a poor peripheral that failed just as badly as this comparison. Even the asinine design of Cell wasn't enough to handicap the PS3 considering the platform's comparatively robust digital infrastructure, blu-ray, and raw performance.

For as "hard" as the PS2 was supposed to develop for, it operating below- but within the same performance envelope as the competition in addition to it using DVDs and having comparative to the GCN's network infrastructure.

It's sort of difficult to handwave away the billions of dollars lost on PS3's boutique difficult to wrangle architecture and the massive loss in exclusive support that coincided with it as not being much of a handicap. PS3 was arguably Sony's N64.

 

[James Scott]

September 7th would've been a poisonous day for Nintendo to try and compete in with so many announcements. I imagine Sony likely isn't too pleased to have to compete with Apple. I do hope Nintendo announced in September, though, but maybe waiting until a few weeks after NEO might be a good idea. Try and react to any announcements as well as possible like Sony did with PS4's event after MS at e3 before launch

 

[Celine]

My point is that they've got a history of stupid-ass consistently non-sensical hardware design decisions going back to the N64.

I suppose you are talking about the cart adoption then believe me Nintendo had all the interest to still adopt carts to that point in time.
It made sense to them from an economic point of view.
Same for SNES relatively weak CPU.

 

[diaspora]

I think it's important to note that the types of hardware decisions Nintendo has made over the last 20 years are the kind that cut them off from segments of the market and 3rd party support. Both Sony and MS have made weird decisions over the years, but nothing that limited the audience for their consoles, or fucked then over for 3rd party support.

Largely, but they'd often fuck consumers too- like the lack of DVD support or making developers use ridiculously expensive storage units that have their costs passed on to the consumer.

 

[udivision]

Apple event Sept 7th and still no date for the NX

Hrmmm

 

[Kissenkopf]

Have you played the original one on wii?, Is NOT just blurrier, the framerate is all over the place compared to the wii one.

And let's have a look at Hyrule Warriors

https://youtu.be/4p0pI018jQ0

My original point still stands, NX can be waker than the WiiU but still manage BotW, just not without compromises.

Thats like saying the Gamecube would be weaker than the N64 because you could play Perfect Dark on the Game Boy Color.

 

[Not]

Apple event Sept 7th and still no date for the NX

There's no chance Apple has anything to do with NX

 

[Clessidor]

While it is off topic, I do wonder what is the best strategy for reveal. 2 big shows leading up to the NX launch or just one big show?
MS and Sony both had at least 2 shows, could Nintendo divide up their content reveal properly while still attracting consumers?
They have a lot to prove and maybe one show with 6 months of silence isn't the best idea. Would make the late November/December reveal make a bit more sense but the wait would be killer.
MS announced their system in May then had an event in June (e3) so maybe at least october if they don't plan on having more than one event?

I'm not so sure. Having a system that can plug into a TV doesn't sound too complicated and I don't think the SCD will come into play right away. The price is also supposed to be fairly low/affordable which would still be a big change from the Wii U's (STILL) $300 price.

hard to predict their strategy. I think they either need one big event and several directs for hyping up the system and to announce the price. Or two big event one in September/October and one in January/February. Something like that. But it's hard to say and we shouldn't speculate about it before we don't know their reveal plans.


Besides that I'm really confident about the hardware. One of Nintendos problem in the past was that they had to stick to the GC architecture for BC. If they do a fresh start right now, like it sounds like, then they have much more freedom for designing the console.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Have you played the original one on wii?, Is NOT just blurrier, the framerate is all over the place compared to the wii one.

And let's have a look at Hyrule Warriors

https://youtu.be/4p0pI018jQ0

My original point still stands, NX can be waker than the WiiU but still manage BotW, just not without compromises.

Yeah, I'm basing my response on putting around 60-70 hours a piece in each version of each game. Hyrule Warriors is fine on New 3DS and I never encountered any framerate issues with Xenoblade outside of the Metal Face fight in the region with lots of snow.

Never once thought anything was close to performing poorly.

 

[Peru]

Apple event Sept 7th and still no date for the NX

If it's on the 20th there's still plenty of time

 

[MacTag]

Apple event Sept 7th and still no date for the NX

On the other hand, maybe we'll see Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem on the 7th?

 

[Peltz]

Any chances that carts could supplement the power of consoles with additional processing chips (like in the NES and SNES days?)

I'm not sure if that type of technology is still viable in today's environment.

 

[Orniletter]

Pointing to N64 actually sort of goes against his point anyway. It was followed up by Gamecube which was one of the most efficient and elegant console architectures of it's day. And sadly it didn't matter.

Very true. The GameCube is another example of them internalizing their mistakes (N64's bad memory solution and various bottlenecks) and engineering something really good for the next go around.

Yes, the WiiU was a total disaster from top to bottom (still has by far the best exclusive libary though), but using it as an example that Nintendo lost it for good is just....idk...dumb .

 

[udivision]

Try and react to any announcements as well as possible like Sony did with PS4's event after MS at e3 before launch

Nintendo is not going to put themselves in a situation where they need to react to Sony, or even one in which they could.

 

[Candescence]

It's sort of difficult to handwave away the billions of dollars lost on PS3's boutique difficult to wrangle architecture and the massive loss in exclusive support that coincided with it as not being much of a handicap. PS3 was arguably Sony's N64.

Seriously, the PS3 wiped out all the revenue gains from the PS1 and PS2 combined in a single generation. I don't think even the Wii U lost that much money for Nintendo, though that's because Nintendo doesn't sell at a loss, whereas the PS3 was a massive loss-leader.

 

[21XX]

I really have a weird feeling that the announcement of the reveal and the actual reveal will be much, much closer together than everyone thinks. Like, just a couple of days. I also don't expect a live event. Nintendo does much better when they have a controlled, pre-canned message (and even then they sometimes flub that).

My bet is... this week. Bold, I know.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Seriously, the PS3 wiped out all the revenue gains from the PS1 and PS2 combined in a single generation. I don't think even the Wii U lost that much money for Nintendo.

Nintendo didn't even have that much money to lose. A PS3 from Nintendo would've probably been close to putting them out of business, which is the #1 reason why they don't want to compete for power with Sony/MS.

I really have a weird feeling that the announcement of the reveal and the actual reveal will be much, much closer together than everyone thinks. Like, just a couple of days. I also don't expect a live event. Nintendo does much better when they have a controlled, pre-canned message (and even then they sometimes flub that).

My bet is... this week. Bold, I know.

Well we are assuming that even if they do a direct/digital event they will have a simultaneous/near simultaneous press event, which would require invites being sent to members of the press several weeks ahead of time. These invites might be under NDA but they would likely leak soon after they go out.

 

[Retronix]

Thats like saying the Gamecube would be weaker than the N64 because you could play Perfect Dark on the Game Boy Color.

Really?, You need to be a bit more down to earth.

WiiU software has been proven to work in weaker hardware with considerable amounts of compromise. If you think BotW can't be ported to a more modern but waker hardware you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

[MCN]

Really?, You need to be a bit more down to earth.

WiiU software has been proven to work in weaker hardware with considerable amounts of compromise. If you think BotW can't be ported to a more modern but waker hardware you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

But why would they want to? "Buy our new machine and play a shitter version of our flagship title" is a pretty tough marketing nut to crack.

 

[Boney]

I think it's important to note that the types of hardware decisions Nintendo has made over the last 20 years are the kind that cut them off from segments of the market and 3rd party support. Both Sony and MS have made weird decisions over the years, but nothing that limited the audience for their consoles, or fucked then over for 3rd party support.

Has more to do with having different target audiences. Nintendo's family friendly image doesn't serve the main 15-35 target audience most of the industry has been targeting for years. Bottlenecks that would make having an extra cost to bring the software to Nintendo's hardware isn't justified when there's been an established pattern that the audience doesn't respond as well to their output. PS3 was worth supporting even if it meant having to deal with Cell and other hassles because there was reason to believe a potential audience could be built due to PlayStation's brand power.

People expecting Nintendo to have any parity hardware and software wise to ms and sony just aren't paying attention. They just need to establish compatibility with middle ware so certain projects are easy to have and establish some key partnerships with certain 3rd parties to pad their catalogue and generate some Type of positive buzz.

They basically need to be what the DS was to the HD Twins. Different target audiences that both get well served

 

[Fourth Storm]

meanwhile at NoA, they spend time for a quick video starring Reggie to announce...a new NEW 3DS XL!!!!

They're not showing NX this year, are they? The timing for this year is just getting more and more problematic between Neo reveal, Pokemon release, and hopes for holiday sales...

Only thing I can think is an October reveal to appease investors before their quarterly meeting, while keeping this supposed Pokemon NX project under wraps until next year.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Really?, You need to be a bit more down to earth.

WiiU software has been proven to work in weaker hardware with considerable amounts of compromise. If you think BotW can't be ported to a more modern but waker hardware you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I don't know why this discussion even matters, unless you're discounting the Eurogamer leak and Matt's tidbit about the NX not being weaker than the Wii U.

The NX will not be weaker than the Wii U. I have no insider sources but I'm gonna say I'm 98.5% sure about that one.

 

[Orniletter]

Seriously, the PS3 wiped out all the revenue gains from the PS1 and PS2 combined in a single generation. I don't think even the Wii U lost that much money for Nintendo, though that's because Nintendo doesn't sell at a loss, whereas the PS3 was a massive loss-leader.

To add to that:

An top of devouring the money they made since the PS1 era, the PS3 ate all the money they were making of the PSP. It was such a massive catastrophe that Sony has been in the videogame industry....essentially for free up to 2009/2010.

Nintendo wouldn't have survived a PS3.

 

[Candescence]

Nintendo didn't even have that much money to lose. A PS3 from Nintendo would've probably been close to putting them out of business, which is the #1 reason why they don't want to compete for power with Sony/MS.

That and Nintendo really likes to avoid making loss-leaders by making a profit on hardware, which certainly absorbs the blow of any failures to some extent. Microsoft has been bleeding money from its console division for ever since the original Xbox, and I doubt shareholders are pleased about the Xbone lagging well behind the PS4.

 

[MacTag]

Really?, You need to be a bit more down to earth.

WiiU software has been proven to work in weaker hardware with considerable amounts of compromise. If you think BotW can't be ported to a more modern but waker hardware you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Insiders have already confirmed the system's more powerful than Wii U so this whole argument's academic anyway.

 

[Mpl90]

They're not showing NX this year, are they? The timing for this year is just getting more and more problematic between Neo reveal, Pokemon release, and hopes for holiday sales...

Only thing I can think is an October reveal to appease investors before their quarterly meeting, while keeping this supposed Pokemon NX project under wraps until next year.

They said the reveal is this year, so (unless something really strange happens) it's going to happen this year. Going the route of starting to doubt a reveal this year so dramatically at the end of August is a bit hyperbolic XD

 

[Candescence]

To add to that:

An top of devouring the money they made since the PS1 era, the PS3 ate all the money they were making of the PSP.

Holy shit. No wonder Sony got its act back together with the PS4. Unfortunately the Vita was also a catastrophe sales-wise, I can only wonder how much money it bled from Sony. Sony really doesn't need yet another failing division.

 

[Peterc]

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/770290081185746944

new 3ds XL announced for 199$

Still, the NX way more expensive and powerfull will also cost 199$ (well some people think it will).

I think all of this is a bit strange, Nintendo still pushing new 3ds versions. I know it would be probably for the holliday, but if they announce the NX in september, who still going to buy it?

The biggest mobile game of the year is pokemon Go.

If you follow mobile game industry at all you would know there is 0 incentive to make a high budget games that push the most advanced hardware.

Epic Citadel and Infinity blade are 6 years old by now.


It's hard to imagine what could be done with the added power over the last 6 years,

I've played it, and it was good for that time, but also empty. It looks way better on picture than onscreen.

But, there is not even one developer that created a high end game for mobile.

So there isn't any proof it could run ps4 games on 1080p on a mobile screen and with a battery life of 5h.


Looking what the 3ds could do:

We can say that the NX would be amazing.

 

[Fourth Storm]

They said the reveal is this year, so (unless something really strange happens) it's going to happen this year. Going the route of starting to doubt a reveal this year so dramatically at the end of August is a bit hyperbolic XD

Maybe, but it's making less sense to interrupt their holiday business with such an announcement, especially since you know they are counting on good 3DS sales this holiday. We'll probably get something in October, just because they did promise more info to investors this year. Still, I can see them changing plans, due to market conditions (and it seems they have pushed back the reveal already, if we believe the rumors of trying for e3 and then TGS).

I think we'll get something before the next investor meeting, but at this point, nothing can surprise me.

 

[jmizzal]

There's no chance Apple has anything to do with NX

I know, my point is everybody is announcing dates for Sept meetings and Nintendo has not said anything

 

[Plinko]

Trite software which failed to excite anyone is easily in the top 5 reasons why people didn't want a WiiU.

This is true.

"2D Nintendo games," as you said, is not true. The Wii U had too many of them. However, that genre isn't why it tanked.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Lol at Reggie announcing the Galaxy 3DS. Wth kind of troll stuff is this. Dude knows how bad we want to know about NX and he's the top dog still doing videos about the 3DS.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Have you played the original one on wii?, Is NOT just blurrier, the framerate is all over the place compared to the wii one.

Ansolutely false. Here'a Digital Foundry examining it:
https://youtu.be/yati7NzIjfw

Don't talk shit about stuff you don't understand.

 

[James Scott]

Any chances that carts could supplement the power of consoles with additional processing chips (like in the NES and SNES days?)

I'm not sure if that type of technology is still viable in today's environment.

It's more than likely not unless you want mega expensive carts. They can do hardware add ons to the base like the N64 and the GCN were originally meant to (don't think the GCN ever used it, though)
The SCD patent is supposed to allow older systems to run like newer ones using cloud based computing as well so it might not be necessary

 

[Genio88]

So Reggie just showed another model of new 3DS https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/770290081185746944

Will be sold for 199$, now i'm wondering if they decided to delay the NX reveal to early next year focusing only on pushing 3DS and Pokemon Sun and Moon sales for this year holiday season...i hope not or i'll go crazy waiting to know what really NX is

 

[bumpkin]

So Reggie just showed another model of new 3DS https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/770290081185746944

Will be sold for 199$, now i'm wondering if they decided to delay the NX reveal to early next year focusing only on pushing 3DS and Pokemon Sun and Moon sales for this year holiday season...i hope not or i'll go crazy waiting to know what really NX is

We just got trolled so fucking hard.

Although, that phony 9-9 Direct announcement last week was a pretty epic fake troll.

 

[21XX]

So Reggie just showed another model of new 3DS https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/770290081185746944

Will be sold for 199$, now i'm wondering if they decided to delay the NX reveal to early next year focusing only on pushing 3DS and Pokemon Sun and Moon sales for this year holiday season...i hope not or i'll go crazy waiting to know what really NX is

Three months is nowhere near enough time to market a major console release.

 

[Mpl90]

So Reggie just showed another model of new 3DS https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/770290081185746944

Will be sold for 199$, now i'm wondering if they decided to delay the NX reveal to early next year focusing only on pushing 3DS and Pokemon Sun and Moon sales for this year holiday season...i hope not or i'll go crazy waiting to know what really NX is

Again, they said the NX reveal will be this year. Honestly, I don't see why a new N3DS XL model launched...today/this week is a sign that NX won't be unveiled this year.

 

[Graphics Horse]

"The New Galaxy Style New Nintendo 3DS XL" is a catchy name.

 

[DeuceGamer]

How big was the single 2DS screen?

 

[Debirudog]

Again, they said the NX reveal will be this year. Honestly, I don't see why a new N3DS XL model launched...today/this week is a sign that NX won't be unveiled this year.

People get paranoid with Nintendo.

 

[Dark Cloud]

So Reggie just showed another model of new 3DS https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/770290081185746944

Will be sold for 199$, now i'm wondering if they decided to delay the NX reveal to early next year focusing only on pushing 3DS and Pokemon Sun and Moon sales for this year holiday season...i hope not or i'll go crazy waiting to know what really NX is

They're not delaying the NX. Don't be so pessimistic lol. The 3DS still has games coming to it this year and next year. They have to promote it too. They're just getting it out of the way before they make the announcement for the NX.

 

[Maxinas]

Looking what the 3ds could do:

We can say that the NX would be amazing.

Resident Evil on the 3ds is a special case, Capcom is very well capable with realizing the 3ds' full potential. Monster hunter and the new monster hunter stories are proof of that.

 

[Fourth Storm]

Lol at Reggie announcing the Galaxy 3DS. Wth kind of troll stuff is this. Dude knows how bad we want to know about NX and he's the top dog still doing videos about the 3DS.

We're a small percentage of crazies when it comes down to it.

 

[Debirudog]

The 3DS is a healthy system. Not sure why they're not allowed to promote since games are coming out for it. A small twitter video is fine.

 

[KojiKnight]

It's more than likely not unless you want mega expensive carts. They can do hardware add ons to the base like the N64 and the GCN were originally meant to (don't think the GCN ever used it, though)
The SCD patent is supposed to allow older systems to run like newer ones using cloud based computing as well so it might not be necessary

This... There is a reason Nintendo stopped doing this, it's very expensive... I remeber buying Super Mario RPG for $80 new... which would be over $100 in comparison today.

 

[georly]

The 3DS is a healthy system. Not sure why they're not allowed to promote since games are coming out for it. A small twitter video is fine.

It's a clear betrayal to their fans.

 

[KingBroly]

The 3DS is a healthy system. Not sure why they're not allowed to promote since games are coming out for it. A small twitter video is fine.

People just want nx.

 

[Genio88]

Three months is nowhere near enough time to market a major console release.

Assuming that March is still the release date, they could have just delayed the release date too to mid or fall 2017...unfortunately a delay it's not that unlikely at all. I hope that won't be the case