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[MrFrankFontaine]

It's no less abhorrent. And I'm sorry, ignorance isn't a good enough excuse.

Agree

 

[Krejlooc]

I'm actually curious... could Facebook get rid of Palmer while still having control over Occulus? Because I'd be surprised if they were going to let two billion dollars spent acquiring the company go down the drain over this. Palmer's a shitbag, but his company could still be worth having.

Oculus isn't Palmer Luckey's company. He has no claim over it.

 

[MechaX]

When there is effectively only two meaningful parties in what is supposedly a open republic with democratically elected representatives, it's a good thing. Not saying Trump would actually end up good, but when both parties hate you then it is at least a sign that his interest isn't to continue to line the pockets of the existing elite.

Have... you seen the economic team Trump created in August?

 

[kiguel182]

I wouldn't be surprised if he is fired by the end of the day, honestly.

Zuckerberg seems to not be a racist and has just donated a bunch of money to cure diseases. Hopefully he does the right thing here.

 

[Barry Burton]

Wonder how long it will be before there is some form of major backlash/apology from him.

Doubtful on that last part.

 

[EventHorizon]

It is true that an election is between only the options given and that you might vote for someone just because they are the least bad of all your options. That doesn't mean that you agree with the candidate, but it does show your priorities. As a thought experiment I tried to think of an opponent so bad they'd cause me to vote for Trump. I had to go with an even worse strong man no nothing, Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte. Here are some recent headlines he has generated.

• 85 days of Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte: the insults, the firings, the killings
• Rodrigo Duterte Ordered Philippine Killings, Professed Hit Man Testifies
• Rodrigo Duterte's Campaign of Terror in the Philippines

The fact that some people could overlook Trump's racist policies and rhetoric just because Hillary doesn't want terror suspects on the no-fly list to be able to buy guns, or because she wants people to have health care who can't afford it, shows what they really care about.

 

[Stone Ocean]

When there is effectively only two meaningful parties in what is supposedly a open republic with democratically elected representatives, it's a good thing. Not saying Trump would actually end up good, but when both parties hate you then it is at least a sign that his interest isn't to continue to line the pockets of the existing elite.

 

[Scubasteve2365]

If this "needed" shift from the status quo involves massive deportations of Hispanics, even more systematic racism of people of Muslim communities, more discrimination against women, utter disregard of people with disabilities, utter indifference to the LGBTQ community, glorification of the problems with police culture, and a solution to black community issues being more stop and frisks, I would vote for the other (more sane) candidate in a heart beat. And this isn't even a "well, presidents rarely make due with their campaign promises anyway," these are core pillars of his entire campaign, choice of cabinet, and foundation.

Versus continuing to bomb hospitals in the middle east with drones? The things you listed are important things, they are. I'm in an inter-racial marriage myself. I get that. I just think the endless murder (of brown people from a far far away land) is a more important issue than social rights of those that get to continue breathing.

Again, all else, both are horrible choices for POTUS, but it's not a simple good versus evil dichotomy that many are making it out to be. Hillary is a monster, she just doesn't show it in front of a microphone and television camera. Donald doesn't try to hide it the fact that he is a monster.

 

[Already Torn]

When there is effectively only two meaningful parties in what is supposedly a open republic with democratically elected representatives, it's a good thing. Not saying Trump would actually end up good, but when both parties hate you then it is at least a sign that his interest isn't to continue to line the pockets of the existing elite.

Both parties also both openly hate Jerry Sandusky though. It's not a good thing.

 

[Riposte]

He funds the creation of dank memes. I don't see anything wrong with this. Also, supporting trump doesn't equal white supremacy.

Despite the whole "meme factory" angle, this doesn't seem to be the case, although I thought it was something like that as well. I was actually kind of bewildered on how you could (or why you would) spend money on memes before I sat down and read the whole article. This seems to be a Trump-aligned SuperPAC focused on buying billboards to put "meme"-flavored political advertisements on them. I guess we can expect a Pepe or two. Luckey's involvement seems to be him matching donations from a donation drive done on r/thedonald, I'm assuming so they could buy more advertisement space, not "create memes". I may still be a little bewildered though.

 

[ampere]

Show me the receipts, you have 3 hours.

People can still buy Oculus's all they want. What I do want, however, is for Facebook to fire Palmer.

I endorse this. It's one thing to have different ideas on economics or whatever, but Palmer is endorsing hate and a hate group

 

[Krejlooc]

Versus continuing to bomb hospitals in the middle east with drones?

There are so many ways to possibly attack your stance, but I'll go with the most obvious - do you think Donald Trump, the guy who, before even being elected president is already threatening to flex his nuclear powers, isn't going to continue drone strikes in the middle east?

 

[kAmui-]

When there is effectively only two meaningful parties in what is supposedly a open republic with democratically elected representatives, it's a good thing. Not saying Trump would actually end up good, but when both parties hate you then it is at least a sign that his interest isn't to continue to line the pockets of the existing elite.

Sure thing buddy.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Versus continuing to bomb hospitals in the middle east with drones? The things you listed are important things, they are. I'm in an inter-racial marriage myself. I get that. I just think the endless murder (of brown people from a far far away land) is a more important issue than social rights of those that get to continue breathing.

Again, all else, both are horrible choices for POTUS, but it's not a simple good versus evil dichotomy that many are making it out to be. Hillary is a monster, she just doesn't show it in front of a microphone and television camera. Donald doesn't try to hide it the fact that he is a monster.

What do you think systemic racism will lead to? Hint: not less bombings.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

Thank you for your help everyone. Like I said, I don't follow the stuff closely cuz I can't stand him in the first place. This discussion has at least opened my eyes that I need to pay attention no matter how repulsive and annoying it is.

Didn't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers =/

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

When there is effectively only two meaningful parties in what is supposedly a open republic with democratically elected representatives, it's a good thing. Not saying Trump would actually end up good, but when both parties hate you then it is at least a sign that his interest isn't to continue to line the pockets of the existing elite.

And the person with a luxury private jet that eats with golden spoons, is the one that is not going to continue the existing elite?

A man who build his fortune thanks to the elite his daddy knew and got favors for his kid?

 

[Heckler456]

Versus continuing to bomb hospitals in the middle east with drones? The things you listed are important things, they are. I'm in an inter-racial marriage myself. I get that. I just think the endless murder (of brown people from a far far away land) is a more important issue than social rights of those that get to continue breathing.

Again, all else, both are horrible choices for POTUS, but it's not a simple good versus evil dichotomy that many are making it out to be. Hillary is a monster, she just doesn't show it in front of a microphone and television camera. Donald doesn't try to hide it the fact that he is a monster.

Can you link me to where exactly you personally got that information from?

 

[Already Torn]

Thank you for your help everyone. Like I said, I don't follow the stuff closely cuz I can't stand him in the first place. This discussion has at least opened my eyes that I need to pay attention no matter how repulsive and annoying it is.

Didn't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers =/

Hopefully it also showed that saying both sides are equally horrible betrays that lack of knowledge 😁

 

[Jebusman]

There are so many ways to possibly attack your stance, but I'll go with the most obvious - do you think Donald Trump, the guy who, before even being elected president is already threatening to flex his nuclear powers, isn't going to continue drone strikes in the middle east?

Trump is the man I would most likely expect to walk into the first defense meeting of his presidency to discuss the situation in the middle east, look at his top advisors and say, with the straightest of faces:

"So why DON'T we just Nuke them already?"

 

[WhateverItTakes]

It's funny because Trump is literally lining his own pockets with his campaign.

I also think people need to realise, as hard as it can be to see, that white supremecy isn't monopolised in white cloaks and dumb masks. Any action that works to maintain the status quo of white privilege in society is white supremecy. And a vote for Trump sure as hell is a vote to keep minorities suppressed.

 

[Onemic]

Another reason why I will never support Oculus.

 

[AuthenticM]

wooooooooow, wtf

 

[Interfectum]

When there is effectively only two meaningful parties in what is supposedly a open republic with democratically elected representatives, it's a good thing. Not saying Trump would actually end up good, but when both parties hate you then it is at least a sign that his interest isn't to continue to line the pockets of the existing elite.

Oh you sweet summer child.

 

[DryvBy]

Just over the last few days :
- calling Muslim migrants a cancer from within, and suggesting "racial profiling" (his words) as a solution.
- his son tweeting that bowl of skittles pictures, which is literally nazi rhetoric. This is the exact kind of shit you'll find on that sub Luckey was a part of.
- saying drugs are at the heart of the Charlotte protests. Drugs is historically dog whistle to explain why black people got what they deserved.
- saying through Pence that people talk too much about racism in policing.

This is just this week and off the top of my head. He's like 100% unambiguous honestly.


Technically it is a shift. Like putting a shit flinging ape in the White House would be one.
I'd take flying feces over Trump TBH.

Racial was added by CNN...

 

[zethren]

When there is effectively only two meaningful parties in what is supposedly a open republic with democratically elected representatives, it's a good thing. Not saying Trump would actually end up good, but when both parties hate you then it is at least a sign that his interest isn't to continue to line the pockets of the existing elite.

Seriously man?

He IS the existing elite.

 

[InsaneTiger]

Congratulations Palmer Luckey!

You have now entered the Hall of the Worst Human Beings on the Planet!

 

[Stone Ocean]

It's funny because Trump is literally lining his own pockets with his campaign.

I also think people need to realise, as hard as it can be to see, that white supremecy isn't monopolised in white cloaks and dumb masks. Any action that works to maintain the status quo of white privilege in society is white supremecy. And a vote for Trump sure as hell is a vote to keep minorities suppressed.

The idea alone that Donald Trump wouldn't defend the interests of the elite is baffling.

 

[LifEndz]

https://twitter.com/nikkimoxxi

This is the human being Luckey presumably fell in love with and spends his nights with. A racist moron. Just look at some of the tweets she's retweeted.

https://twitter.com/JaredWyand/status/764844958805331968

Wow. I've long since blocked most of the people she retweets. The one good thing to come from this Trump Pres candidacy is how many horrible people are showing who they are.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Versus continuing to bomb hospitals in the middle east with drones? The things you listed are important things, they are. I'm in an inter-racial marriage myself. I get that. I just think the endless murder (of brown people from a far far away land) is a more important issue than social rights of those that get to continue breathing.

Again, all else, both are horrible choices for POTUS, but it's not a simple good versus evil dichotomy that many are making it out to be. Hillary is a monster, she just doesn't show it in front of a microphone and television camera. Donald doesn't try to hide it the fact that he is a monster.

Please stop.

Or better yet, just keep going. I want to see how deep you're willing to dig.

 

[BruceCLea]

#firepalmerluckey

 

[hawk2025]

Versus continuing to bomb hospitals in the middle east with drones? The things you listed are important things, they are. I'm in an inter-racial marriage myself. I get that. I just think the endless murder (of brown people from a far far away land) is a more important issue than social rights of those that get to continue breathing.

Again, all else, both are horrible choices for POTUS, but it's not a simple good versus evil dichotomy that many are making it out to be. Hillary is a monster, she just doesn't show it in front of a microphone and television camera. Donald doesn't try to hide it the fact that he is a monster.

Are you kidding right now?

Trump is advocating torture, killing innocent families, "bomb the shit out of them", nuclear proliferation, banning refugees, taking oil that's not ours by force.

And this is where you want to plant your false equivalency flag?

 

[Already Torn]

The idea alone that Donald Trump wouldn't defend the interests of the elite is baffling.

Is this the part where we recognize that he's not as rich as he says he is? Or are we still pretending that's not true?

 

[Krejlooc]

Racial was added by CNN...

Ah right, his plan to profile muslim immigrants wasn't racial in nature. Got it.

 

[theWB27]

Versus continuing to bomb hospitals in the middle east with drones? The things you listed are important things, they are. I'm in an inter-racial marriage myself. I get that. I just think the endless murder (of brown people from a far far away land) is a more important issue than social rights of those that get to continue breathing.

Again, all else, both are horrible choices for POTUS, but it's not a simple good versus evil dichotomy that many are making it out to be. Hillary is a monster, she just doesn't show it in front of a microphone and television camera. Donald doesn't try to hide it the fact that he is a monster.

But...browns are getting murdered here with no consequence under a black president. How would that go with a white racist president? You can't fix the outside until you fix yourself. Electing a racist isn't going to help any brown either here or abroad.

 

[Ethical Hedonism]

Is this the part where we recognize that he's not as rich as he says he is? Or are we still pretending that's not true?

He's certainly not anywhere close to poor or even upper middle class...

 

[EventHorizon]

Versus continuing to bomb hospitals in the middle east with drones? The things you listed are important things, they are. I'm in an inter-racial marriage myself. I get that. I just think the endless murder (of brown people from a far far away land) is a more important issue than social rights of those that get to continue breathing.

Wait...what?!? The US is NOT intentionally bombing hospitals. You must be thinking of the Syrians or Russians who Trump idolizes.

 

[Neuromancer]

So daydream, is that coming out any time soon? I would love to dump my Gear VR as long as daydream works on my Galaxy S6.

 

[RadarScope1]

Oculus isn't Palmer Luckey's company. He has no claim over it.

Correct. It would be delicious now to see him ousted. Won't take away his moneybags but at least they can separate him from his baby. He will probably take a tech-oriented post at Trump-Bart Media Inc after Donnie loses the election.

 

[FonkyByNature]

I always thought Palmer Lucky sounded like a douche but this is crazy. I didn't know the guy was so invested in politics and especially Trump. His girlfriend tweets make me cringe too.

I'm not from the US but i wish you fellow Americans good luck with these heated elections.

Man, it's just crazy to imagine Trump being the next president... wow !

 

[Scubasteve2365]

There are so many ways to possibly attack your stance, but I'll go with the most obvious - do you think Donald Trump, the guy who, before even being elected president is already threatening to flex his nuclear powers, isn't going to continue drone strikes in the middle east?

I admit that I don't watch the repetitive news cycles on the candidates, but by all accounts he appears to be critical of the continued wars in the middle east and believes that our meddling in elections and or installing leaders in these regions to be risky.

Do I know he won't continue them, no, but of the two candidates he appears to be more likely to stop using the drones.

 

[Heckler456]

I admit that I don't watch the repetitive news cycles on the candidates, but by all accounts he appears to be critical of the continued wars in the middle east and believes that our meddling in elections and or installing leaders in these regions to be risky.

Do I know he won't continue them, no, but of the two candidates he appears to be more likely to stop using the drones.

What has Hillary said on the matter, according to you?

Here is something for you to read, by the way.

 

[Mahonay]

I always thought Palmer Lucky sounded like a douche but this is crazy. I didn't know the guy was so invested in politics and especially Trump. His girlfriend tweets make me cringe too.

I'm not from the US but i wish you fellow Americans good luck with these heated elections.

Man, it's just crazy to imagine Trump being the next president... wow !

I feel like even imagining him being president is dangerous onto it's self. I am hoping he gets squashed in the general election.

 

[hawk2025]

I admit that I don't watch the repetitive news cycles on the candidates, but by all accounts he appears to be critical of the continued wars in the middle east and believes that our meddling in elections and or installing leaders in these regions to be risky.

Do I know he won't continue them, no, but of the two candidates he appears to be more likely to stop using the drones.

Utter nonsense.

 

[Krejlooc]

I admit that I don't watch the repetitive news cycles on the candidates, but by all accounts he appears to be critical of the continued wars in the middle east and believes that our meddling in elections and or installing leaders in these regions to be risky.

Do I know he won't continue them, no, but of the two candidates he appears to be more likely to stop using the drones.

Of the two candidates, by his own words, he's also the more likely to start new conflicts.

And his solution to ending "continued wars" is to immediately go for the nuclear option.

 

[Already Torn]

I admit that I don't watch the repetitive news cycles on the candidates, but by all accounts he appears to be critical of the continued wars in the middle east and believes that our meddling in elections and or installing leaders in these regions to be risky.

Do I know he won't continue them, no, but of the two candidates he appears to be more likely to stop using the drones.

Are you confusing Trump with bernie Sanders?

 

[Nanashrew]

When there is effectively only two meaningful parties in what is supposedly a open republic with democratically elected representatives, it's a good thing. Not saying Trump would actually end up good, but when both parties hate you then it is at least a sign that his interest isn't to continue to line the pockets of the existing elite.

He's like 70 years old and the 1% (probably (you know, the whole tax returns things and illegally using charity money, and Trump Jr. saying releasing them would damage him and all that stuff) and an existing elite who wants to continue lining his pockets and other rich elites.

 

[Scubasteve2365]

Wait...what?!? The US is NOT intentionally bombing hospitals. You must be thinking of the Syrians or Russians who Trump idolizes.

emphasis mine.

it happens. Collateral damage is a given when you are dropping bombs. You accept collateral damage when you push the big red button. The existing ruling class (of which Hillary is a member) has decided that our interference into that region, a costly ineffective affair, is worth extreme collateral damage. This is not really debatable.

 

[E-Cat]

Versus continuing to bomb hospitals in the middle east with drones? The things you listed are important things, they are. I'm in an inter-racial marriage myself. I get that. I just think the endless murder (of brown people from a far far away land) is a more important issue than social rights of those that get to continue breathing.

Do you know what the difference is between accidentally killing civilians vs. purposely killing civilians?

It's the difference between manslaughter and murder.

 

[Jebusman]

I admit that I don't watch the repetitive news cycles on the candidates, but by all accounts he appears to be critical of the continued wars in the middle east and believes that our meddling in elections and or installing leaders in these regions to be risky.

Do I know he won't continue them, no, but of the two candidates he appears to be more likely to stop using the drones.

You know, in a very twisted sense you're probably right, considering he would consider the drones too impersonal and rather our military storm right in and murder everyone on sight.

Also I congratulate you on going for over 2 years (Join Date: 04-18-2014) without barely making a single post, only for the hill you die on to be trying to argue that Donald J Trump is less of a warmonger than Hillary Clinton.

 

[Armaros]

I admit that I don't watch the repetitive news cycles on the candidates, but by all accounts he appears to be critical of the continued wars in the middle east and believes that our meddling in elections and or installing leaders in these regions to be risky.

Do I know he won't continue them, no, but of the two candidates he appears to be more likely to stop using the drones.

You don't watch the news on the election.

So how do you know he is for less drone usage? He already that he would invade and even use nuclear weapons in the middle East.