Can't watch videos, but anybody care to write parts list with prices?
Pretty cool build if your looking for a good entry level PC. The nice thing is if you built something like this you now have a base you can slowly upgrade.
Pretty cool build if your looking for a good entry level PC. The nice thing is if you built something like this you now have a base you can slowly upgrade. I like how right now options for video cards and the competition is plentiful and the pricing is pretty great with all the different types. I need to grab one of those 1060's soon and I'd have close to what he has in that build and right now my video card is pretty bad lol.
Exactly. The overarching benefit of going PC. Build a decent base system and upgrade it over time.
Well I mean they could have gone ARM. The ARM 64-bit architecture is pretty powerful if you give it as much power draw as low-power x86. There are custom ARM 64-bit implementations with massive core count used for server and datacenter applications and they outclass Xeons in perf/watt. But for reasons of easing development x86 was chosen over ARM, and really after the difficulties of the PowerPC 360/PS3 era it's not hard to see why.
Your garden-variety quad-core ARM Cortex-A57 as seen in Nvidia Tegra P1 ("Parker") that's rumored for the Switch probably compares very favorably with the 8 cores of Jaguar in PS4/Bone. That's how good ARM has gotten in recent years. Of course then you throw in the extra dual-core Nvidia Denver 2 in Tegra P1 and the Switch, at least on paper, has considerably more CPU power to burn than the PS4/Bone. The real wild card on the Switch is those 256 Pascal cores in Tegra P1, how that compares with the much older design AMD GPUs on the OG PS4 and Bone is the question. On paper those 256 Pascal cores have 1.5 TFlops of power, how that translates to real-world performance will be the question. The 4.2 Tflops of PS4 Pro outclasses Tegra P1 hands down, but OG PS4? I think the Switch will be a very, very interesting console if it can offer roughly comparable or even better when docked CPU/GPU power to PS4/Bone in that portable form factor.
I want to see this where the case isn't a hulking brute of a desktop case and in more of a PS4 sized chassis.
I can build the same system in the UK for £650, with new parts. If I could source aftermarket parts, I could drop it to £450/500.
Comes to £575, without the OS. You can save £60 by switching the 6GB 1060 for a 4GB RX470.
Bare in mind these parts could be found slightly cheaper elsewhere.
And consequently loud as fuck as soon as any component is put to use? Nah, I'll never understand how people are willing to make that kind of sacrifice just to cram everything in a tiny case.
And consequently loud as fuck as soon as any component is put to use? Nah, I'll never understand how people are willing to make that kind of sacrifice just to cram everything in a tiny case.I want to see this where the case isn't a hulking brute of a desktop case and in more of a PS4 sized chassis.
Aah sorry, didn't notice Anyway, much appreciated.From the YouTube details:
i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz
Asus P7H55 LGA 1156 motherboard
8GB DDR3 memory
Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB G1 Gaming
320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD
Cooler Master Wavemaster Case
Arctic Alpine 11 GT cpu cooler
EVGA 430 watt PSU
Logitech KB+M combo
Windows 10 64-bit
I can build the same system in the UK for £650, with new parts. If I could source aftermarket parts, I could drop it to £450/500.
So just released an update to his "Potato Masher" video series
That shows exactly why scraping the bottom of the barrel to make a budget PC outside the US is a bad idea. £650~ and we're having to use a £25 PSU to get there. A couple hundred quid more results in an exponentially better build with double the RAM, an i5, a good PSU and an SSD.
The compromises involved in a budget build aren't worth it when they cost double what a PS4 Pro costs and relative to what spending a bit more for a mid tier PC brings, which would also be a good computer to iterate from over time, much more so than a budget PC with super entry level parts throughout other than the 1060.
That's why the whole "I built a PC for the same cost as a new console" thing rubs me up the wrong way as it's so misleading. It's always very US-centric and results in a build nobody should buy that is significantly more expensive than a console but significantly worse than a mid tier build that costs slightly more. An awkward half-way compromise.
Stop using this word if you don't know what it means.
As someone who owns a Pro, Xbox One S and PC (6700K/1080) I really tire of the "potato" console meme.
Complete bollocks if you ask me.
From the YouTube details:
i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz
Asus P7H55 LGA 1156 motherboard
8GB DDR3 memory
Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB G1 Gaming
320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD
Cooler Master Wavemaster Case
Arctic Alpine 11 GT cpu cooler
EVGA 430 watt PSU
Logitech KB+M combo
Windows 10 64-bit
As someone who owns a Pro, Xbox One S and PC (6700K/1080) I really tire of the "potato" console meme.
Complete bollocks if you ask me.
I know exactly what it means, and I clarified that on the last page.
Opus Angelorum said:Aftermarket usually means products that are not readily available anymore that are sold through secondary markets. They can still be 'new'.
All the parts you have listed would be considered aftermarket for an OEM product.
I take your general point, however.
- A £25 PSU is more than adequate for the parts used
- 16GB of system RAM is complete overkill, this is a gaming PC not a workstation
- i5 again is overkill (in the context of budget)
- The PS4 Pro does not use an SSD
The point of the project was to replicate performance of the PS4 Pro, not beat it. Of course you could add £200+ to the build and it would perform better. That's not the objective here.
I know exactly what it means, and I clarified that on the last page.
Because checkerboard has downsides that native res does not?That's nice, but if you could render 6K checkerboard and downsample to 4K with similar performance then why wouldn't you do that?
I didn't miss the point at all. If what that person is trying to do is to make simple comparisons then there's nothing wrong with the video. However, this is what you said.I expect the usual suspect to miss the point, but guys, the whole point is to show how the original potato masher, built when the PS4 came out and that beat the original PS4 in performance for the SAME cost, can now be upgraded to perform better than the PS4 Pro for the same amount of money as selling your old PS4 (for $210, which I don't think you cna even get for one now) and buying the PS4 Pro.
I don't think you can find many people to be in a similar situation as described in the OP. I think the video would be far more informative if the PC was built from scratch.It's rellly good stuff! If you're undecided this holiday shopping season,
I didn't miss the point at all. If what that person is trying to do is to make simple comparisons then there's nothing wrong with the video. However, this is what you said.
You'd be hard pressed to find someone in a similar situation as described in the OP. I think the video would be far more informative the PC was built from scratch.
You're already spending double the cost of the PS4 Pro with this build, I would hope it could at least replicate it! The entire premise is predicated on a lie and the whole potato thing is a big part of why PC evangelism has gotten intolerably obnoxious. He even opens by saying PC gaming is objectively better, I mean seriously...
As for the upgrades I listed, I assume anyone building a PC for gaming would be using it for most of their computing needs. A lot of us are used to SSDs for applications outside of gaming and there is no going back to a spinner. A budget PSU that could potentially fail and take out several components is a false economy too. Let's deal in practicalities here instead of builds on a spreadsheet; the budget PC is awful bang for buck. It's a stupid stick that PC evangelicals have devised to try to beat consoles round the head with.
The situation being having a PS4-specced PC and a PS4 and deciding which one is more worth upgrading.You don't think there are any PC gamers out there looking at upgrading their PC or getting a Pro?
I don't see the point. Can if play PS4 exclusives and if not, why not just build a PC that's more powerful? It's silly.
Everybody knows that one of the major advantages of a PC is that you don't have to replace the whole thing when you want to upgrade. That's one of the reason why PC gamers are PC gamers. If you already own a rig that isn't a toaster, upgrading your rig is generally cheaper. I don't think anyone is disputing that.I'll give you guys a good example.
My best friend George built a mid-range gaming PC four years ago, and is interested in upgrading. He really only needs a new motherboard (£50), memory (£50) and GPU (£200).
So his option (in this context) would be:
- Get a PS4 Pro for £320
- Upgrade his PC for £300
Can the PS4 play PC exclusives (seriously, this is just such a ridiculous question to pose)?
With a lower end PC you can still beat PS4 Pro performance, you can be pretty much guaranteed of improved IQ/graphics performance on games vs waiting for a patch that might never come on the Pro, or, even make the game run or look worse!
Sure you can spend $1,000+ instead and run native 4K games on PC, but you don't have to do that to beat the PS4 Pro, or have a similar gaming experience to it.
GPU (£200).
So a GTX 1060? The PC if he going to be playing the same games.
Well as always with such videos they use all sorts of tricks to make PC price seem lower than it actually is. This time he "upgraded" old PC, other youtubers compare PCs that are 100-200$ more expensive to consoles as equals, not even taking into account mouse/keyboard/controller cost. Also he cherry picked some of the best optimized PC games, many of them old, that received multiple optimization patches.
Nothing new in this video really, PC gaming always was and always will be more expensive and more time consuming (because of tinkering and broken ports) than comparable console gaming.
Time I spent "tinkering" with the Witcher 3: 5 minutes.
Time I saved not being stuck behind MINUTE and a HALF load times if I were playing on a PS4: HOURS.
Time I didn't have to wait for a patch that made the frame rate go above 20 when in marshes, when using explding weapons, when in cities: 6 months.
Value of playing the game at 60 FPS at gorgeous 3440x1440p ultra wide and with some really cool mods with 5-20 second load times: priceless.
So are you saying your 1000-2000$ PC outperforms a PS4 and PS4 Pro. I'm shocked I tell ya, shocked. FYI, you completely missed the point of this thread.
Some people seem really bothered by the idea that you can build a PC gaming rig for - territorial pricing variables included - the same or not much more than a PS4Pro.
Cool, but can it play Bloodborne, Uncharted 4, TLoU, and Ratchet & Clank?
Cool, but can it play Bloodborne, Uncharted 4, TLoU, and Ratchet & Clank?
Why are these threads always full of people checking their brains at the door? PC price discussions always make people lose their minds.
Why are these threads always full of people checking their brains at the door? PC price discussions always make people lose their minds.
The video was super clear on why they tested what they did and why they priced out the PC as an upgrade, not a new build. The results are very promising and directly put to bed the "budget pcs are a waste of time" meme and yet we still see it here.
Get your head out of the platform wars bullshit for five minutes, ffs
If that's your criteria for a games machine, why even bother clicking this topic?
Your mind was long ago decided for you.