ZombieSupaStar
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Marcus Beer vs ECA Ambassador "Hip Hop Gamer" Twitter feud
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yep, and it will be glorious.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
I personally find it utterly depressing that someone can be voted ECA Ambassador when they've openly spewed homophobic slurs. I have nothing against his "journalistic integrity", but I find his use of words like "faggot" revolts me.
Jest Chillin
Member
Scenario =/= Story. It's the specific reason that you must say "Based on a True Story" whenever you make games or movies about specific events in History that aren't 100% fact. I also don't see how EA could claim that the story was "written" by T1 Operators if they didn't at the very least give general outlines of mission scenarios. EA would then take those outlines and craft stories around and within them to be more dramatic and bombastic. Hollywood does the same exact thing every time they make movies "Based on a True Story."
lol this is getting ridiculous. Let me break it down simply for you two:
1. I never said I agreed with the original statement of the events in Warfighter being real events. I agree with the fact that there is some truth to the information provided for the missions based upon the fact that the SEALs involved were reprimanded for their work with EA.
2. My comment about Tuesday was referring to antitrop's notion that the SEALs being reprimanded was only because they showed confidential equipment. That is up for debate.
3. Please do not put words in my mouth. I am not telling anyone to change their minds based upon the evidence but it's obvious you have your minds made up hence my comment about no reason in discussing it any further.
If either of you two have further questions then address it in a PM. I'm done.
28 Posts Later
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It's a fair point, your opinion will depend on how lenient you are with regards to the use of the phrase "actually happened".
Priceless deduction!
CambriaRising
Member
I have no problem with Beer, or anything he has ever said on his AG show. He usually has great arguments for the topics he brings up, and also puts people in place when they overreact.
As a journalist, you shouldn't take any freebie bags. It's like the people at MS's E3 press conference taking extra seat warmers. You're there to do your job not take free gifts. I wonder how many people ended up taking home the Xbox 360 when it was given away. It's why there were so many stories about how great and quiet the new Xbox was after the event.
Also didn't Marcus Beer work in PR before he got his job at GT. He's the opposite of the traditional writer to PR transition.
Jest Chillin
Member
Exactly. I mean I go into anything that has a "Based on a True Story" tag on it full of skepticism but quite a large amount of people don't. To use another movie example (because it's just more prevalently used in Movies) The Fourth Kind used a very similar tagline of "Based on the actual case studies." The entire movie is a work of fiction outside of people in various places claim to have been abducted by Aliens. But that didn't stop a whole load of people from believing it.
So with that in mind, I don't think he's lying about it so much as he's just giving EA way too much trust in their PR. It's a fairly common mistake to make.
Credits from LinkedIn Profile:
Writer at AnnoyedGamer.com (2008 November 2009)
Freelance Producer / Panelist - Gametrailers.com at MTV Networks (March 2008 November 2009)
Host / Writer / Producer, at Annoyed Gamer on www.livevideo.com (July 2008 November 2008)
Host / Writer / Producer at Vlaze.com (September 2007 January 2008)
Senior Global PR Manager at Vivendi Games / Sierra Entertainment (April 2005 February 2007)
PR Manager at Novalogic (March 2002 April 2005)
PR Manager at Ubisoft (April 2001 April 2002)
Product Manager at Red Storm Entertainment (April 2000 April 2001)
PR Manager at Blue Byte (1997 1999)
PR Manager at Interactive Magic (1996 1997)
VibratingDonkey
Member
Coincidentally his most recent video appears to address a bunch of this stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u54Dux5dj54
Don't know what it's supposed to be a response to. Probably Destructoid pre-echoing some of Marcus Beer's thoughts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u54Dux5dj54
Don't know what it's supposed to be a response to. Probably Destructoid pre-echoing some of Marcus Beer's thoughts.
I have no problem with one tchotchke bag per person. They are most often harmless and contain information and screen shots that are invaluable to any members of the working press.
The free Xboxes for attendees at Microsoft's E3 press conference was overkill. The seat warmers were an embarrassment, and I think people took 10 at a pop as an elaborate joke. That sort of excess leaves a bad taste in fans' mouths, and I wholly understand it.
We are done here.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Dang people really hate HHG.
Is he really homophobic? Seriously?
NoSkillz187
Member
No, he just put up a video explaining some of the accusations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u54Dux5dj54
He's not. Just that where he's from, calling some a f-word is along the same lines of using any curse to insult someone.
Sorry, no. HHG doesn't just get to decide what words mean.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=faggot
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
And who made up that definition???
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Many years ago I made the mistake of frequenting N4G for supplemental gaming news.
His videos popped up there from time to time.
1) His persona is the definition of an unbearable human being.
2) He's an idiot.
3) I can't believe he's still around, let alone has clout in any sense of the word.
You might want to look at this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude,_You're_a_Fag
Meanings of words change over time. Clearly it's still used as a homophobic insult, but it isn't the only usage of the word.
In my personal experiences, both in High School and College, whenever the term was used as an insult, it was almost always in the sense that the person in question was acting in a way unbecoming of what a man should act like, or in an "annoying" way.
His videos popped up there from time to time.
1) His persona is the definition of an unbearable human being.
2) He's an idiot.
3) I can't believe he's still around, let alone has clout in any sense of the word.
You might want to look at this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude,_You're_a_Fag
Meanings of words change over time. Clearly it's still used as a homophobic insult, but it isn't the only usage of the word.
In my personal experiences, both in High School and College, whenever the term was used as an insult, it was almost always in the sense that the person in question was acting in a way unbecoming of what a man should act like, or in an "annoying" way.
Yeah and he was pissed of with Kojima for not talking in English properly during the VGA's. Two arrogant pricks pissed of with each other. Good riddance.
Yup, same here.
Acquiescence
Member
Anyone who calls out Kamiya on his petulant Twitter behaviour definitely has my axe. More Beer!
Wait so 'Marcus Beer' the Angry gamer was the guy who cursed at HHG when he made the slur in '08?
As for Hip Hop, for someone to hate on him at this point is just hate. The guy came in the game doing exactly what he does now and stays in his lane. Marcus wasn't always the 'Annoyed' Gamer either.
But who is he the to threaten Hip Hop? And I used to like Beer all that time when Invisible Walls really was Invisible.
Still love when Pach laid the smackdown on Marcus live on the air one of those annual GT Round table shows about sounding exactly like the fanboys on the net.
As for Hip Hop, for someone to hate on him at this point is just hate. The guy came in the game doing exactly what he does now and stays in his lane. Marcus wasn't always the 'Annoyed' Gamer either.
But who is he the to threaten Hip Hop? And I used to like Beer all that time when Invisible Walls really was Invisible.
Still love when Pach laid the smackdown on Marcus live on the air one of those annual GT Round table shows about sounding exactly like the fanboys on the net.
Just to be clear, Hip Hop doesn't work for EGMhe's part of the EGM Partners Program.
As for the person himself, I've only met him twice, but both times he was a really nice guy. I like what he ishe's a character, that's okay, and having people like that makes gaming a bit more fun. I'd never really want him to be a "serious game journalist", unless that was what he really wanted to be.
However, I'm not at all okay with him tossing around words like "faggot", no matter the excuse. And I haven't read enough about all this ECA stuff to fully know what I think of the situation.
IrishNinja
Member
#PetulantTeamKamiya
for real though, HHG's alright but does he still jack multiple bags of goodies at these shows, or was that also something he gave up a while back?
for real though, HHG's alright but does he still jack multiple bags of goodies at these shows, or was that also something he gave up a while back?
Wow. And the post of the thread goes to?
That Singer Guy...
Member
I'm rolling with hiphop gamer on this after watching that video.
Rekkapryde
Member
Same here. He may go overboard sometimes when hyping shit, but he definitely is a video game afficianado and is passionate about it. Sure you aren't always going to agree with his opinions and some of the things he's done, but he gets good interviews with people in the industry and most of his leaks and rumors are valid. HHG is a good dude man.
And the way he responded makes me respect him even more.
If there is someone that needs to get tossed in the trash, it's Pachter.
This. Fuck all the haters, he explained his position and seemed to be genuine about it. I can understand the 'faggot' comment in that instance, seemed like a moment of weakness to me.
CambriaRising
Member
You can explain a position all you want and still be wrong.
As someone who is gay i appreciate his apology for using that word.
And i apologize for jumping the gun without hearing his side of it and felt so bad i personally sent him a PM on twitter because i felt bad about attacking his character and we had a quick chat through PM's and he seems very sincere.
And i apologize for jumping the gun without hearing his side of it and felt so bad i personally sent him a PM on twitter because i felt bad about attacking his character and we had a quick chat through PM's and he seems very sincere.
Any many use the word "nigger" in the same context over PSN/XBL when becoming highly annoyed with a person regardless of race. Point is, it does not change the meaning it holds in society today. Nor should it be justifiable especially when it has transpired in public.
At best I have always found HHG to be very awkward but using homophobic slur and people coming to his defence pertaining to this just blows my mind.
I have had Marcus on my radar for a long time and while he is not perfect, I would take him any day over HHG for a position meant to represent gamers' best interest or stick up for consumer rights in general in the gaming industry.
At first I was defending HHG. I though maybe because he is black and talks the way he does, people hate him. He just loves the games...
That I began to notice his flat out lies and coming up with shit just to get hits, posting those fake stories on N4G and than having his friends approve them in a second. Calling people names "fag" thing, I am 99% sure he has done it before on his site. Calling himself the best journalist....show some class man, you are not MMA fighter. Can you imagine someone like Sessler or Jeff from GBomb saying shit like that?
His constant yelling during interviews, making devs, PR guys feel uncomfortable, asking bombastic silly questions, guy is a joke. Black, white, green doesn't matter. Marcus is no angel but at least he doesn't act like he is missing left side of his brain.
That I began to notice his flat out lies and coming up with shit just to get hits, posting those fake stories on N4G and than having his friends approve them in a second. Calling people names "fag" thing, I am 99% sure he has done it before on his site. Calling himself the best journalist....show some class man, you are not MMA fighter. Can you imagine someone like Sessler or Jeff from GBomb saying shit like that?
His constant yelling during interviews, making devs, PR guys feel uncomfortable, asking bombastic silly questions, guy is a joke. Black, white, green doesn't matter. Marcus is no angel but at least he doesn't act like he is missing left side of his brain.
Good to hear. Of course, people are going to ignore this though.
CambriaRising
Member
Like the people that ignore legitimate criticisms of the guy?
mugoldeneagle03
Member
Serious question for you.
I have a bunch of black/gay friends who I've had the pleasure of being with them publicly during times of people saying faggot or nigger literally right in front of their faces. More times than not its from overly drunk idiots or younger kids, but it shouldn't matter. I also say pleasure as it's a great learning experience, and as a white/straight male I love seeing how people react.
Anyways, the conversation we always come down to is that you would never say a word like that unless somewhere deep down you meant it. Whether its literal, or meant it to hurt someone, either way its terrible. No matter what state your in the word was obviously on their mind enough to make it easy to state it.
My question to you, is an apology like this really all it takes? Obviously some will hold less grudges than others, but after being next to my friends during times like this, we have zero sympathy for people that drop that language...And I'd love to know how others would feel as well
EDIT: To add, all of my friends never took force at all w/ any of the morons they ran into. Nothing more than a shake of the head, which is why I love them.
I think this speaks volumes about how strange this industry is.
It is hard to evaluate HHG as a credible source regarding games coverage. He's a fan of games and the industry so when he calls himself a "journalist," I start to wonder where we draw the line. He's been marketing himself (really through a DIY site) and his own attendance of press conferences and the like- that's something I respect. His willingness to approach devs and give them the belt and such seems childish, but that's his thing. Some of his "reviews" scream of fanboyism and when N4G banned him, I wondered why they didn't ban other terrible news sites too. His homophobic remark that has been documented is pretty despicable, and no matter what he does, it'll be hard to atone for it.
But let me be honest in saying that as a personality, he brings something different to the industry. I think he'd be more suited for a PR position- his enthusiasm for even the most mediocre of titles is pretty astounding.
As far as Marcus goes, I always liked the guy. When he was on hiatus for Invisible Walls, I missed his championing of PC gaming and his remarks that seemed inline with a lot of gamers.
But in a weird twist, I can't seemingly evaluate him as a credible "journalist" either. He's been a PR guy, and he seems more of a like-minded gamer that I'd want to discuss games with rather than trying to offer analysis. The issues he brings up on his "Annoyed Gamer" soap box feel like caustic editorial, which is great.
And while he should feel no remorse in calling Hip Hop Gamer out, Gametrailers as a site doesn't seem to promote any sort of integrity as far as games journalism goes either. GTTV feels like a "paid exclusive" segment all the time, and these new Countdowns sponsored by publishers feel strange.
It is hard to evaluate HHG as a credible source regarding games coverage. He's a fan of games and the industry so when he calls himself a "journalist," I start to wonder where we draw the line. He's been marketing himself (really through a DIY site) and his own attendance of press conferences and the like- that's something I respect. His willingness to approach devs and give them the belt and such seems childish, but that's his thing. Some of his "reviews" scream of fanboyism and when N4G banned him, I wondered why they didn't ban other terrible news sites too. His homophobic remark that has been documented is pretty despicable, and no matter what he does, it'll be hard to atone for it.
But let me be honest in saying that as a personality, he brings something different to the industry. I think he'd be more suited for a PR position- his enthusiasm for even the most mediocre of titles is pretty astounding.
As far as Marcus goes, I always liked the guy. When he was on hiatus for Invisible Walls, I missed his championing of PC gaming and his remarks that seemed inline with a lot of gamers.
But in a weird twist, I can't seemingly evaluate him as a credible "journalist" either. He's been a PR guy, and he seems more of a like-minded gamer that I'd want to discuss games with rather than trying to offer analysis. The issues he brings up on his "Annoyed Gamer" soap box feel like caustic editorial, which is great.
And while he should feel no remorse in calling Hip Hop Gamer out, Gametrailers as a site doesn't seem to promote any sort of integrity as far as games journalism goes either. GTTV feels like a "paid exclusive" segment all the time, and these new Countdowns sponsored by publishers feel strange.
legacyzero
Banned
THIS.
What the fuck is an ECA? And to this point, I have absolutely no idea who Beer is, and a vague idea of HHG.
Yep. It doesn't matter the context. But people dont seem to understand that. These words are thrown around too casually these days. Even simple words like "retard" or "retarded" are just tossed around like it's simple vocabulary.
It makes me cringe everytime I hear it.
I hate everything about this. Marcus "Annoyed Gamer", HipHopGamer, Twitter, and all this stupid drama shit.
Why not just talk about games instead of having these stupid internet personalities? How hard is it to offer a viewpoint without some stupid flowery and childish moniker. None of these morons are in the right...and talking about, "evolving" from the fat brit is hilarious. HipHopGamer is a child obviously, but man...Marcus also sold out to trying to give himself some internet persona too.
Why not just talk about games instead of having these stupid internet personalities? How hard is it to offer a viewpoint without some stupid flowery and childish moniker. None of these morons are in the right...and talking about, "evolving" from the fat brit is hilarious. HipHopGamer is a child obviously, but man...Marcus also sold out to trying to give himself some internet persona too.
There's not much to explain. He said it was wrong and he's better than that. What position should be taken after apologizing? Anything more than an "I accept your apology" would be fucking ridiculous.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Definitely.
I hope that somebody with such impact can change their disposition for the better, preferably with action.