So it's because Assassin's Creed 1 was not heavily marketed that it "bombed" critically not because of it's glaring flaws with repetitive gameplay?
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So it's because Assassin's Creed 1 was not heavily marketed that it "bombed" critically not because of it's glaring flaws with repetitive gameplay?
RustySpoon
Member
Hate to get speculative this early, but if the MC is Connor's grandfather, could this mean AC4 is just a throwaway tale from the middle of the overarching AC story? I mean,
how can Desmond's ancestors advance the AC story any farther after his death at the end of AC3? Seems like there's plenty of story left to tell in the AC narrative, but I don't see how it can be continued through Desmond's lineage without being some kind of throwaway story set before (or during?) the events of AC3 without some retcon.
Voice of Reason
Banned
Or maybe they should just throw away Desmond's arc and do whatever they want with the setting.
Samir Sedlar
Member
Another Ezio-like Character ?!, meeeeeh, I will skip it then.
It is sad what is becoming of AC series, the series that used to be about Assassination & Stealth, now it is about Pirates and Grand Naval Battle.
2 Swords, 4 Guns, 100 Canon, no need to use a hidden blade any more LOL
It is sad what is becoming of AC series, the series that used to be about Assassination & Stealth, now it is about Pirates and Grand Naval Battle.
2 Swords, 4 Guns, 100 Canon, no need to use a hidden blade any more LOL
edgefusion
Member
Can't help but get excited for a new AC game, even if 3 was a bit of a deflator. The news it's coming to next-gen consoles makes me even more excited! Can't wait to see some gameplay running on PS4. E3 I guess?
keltickennedy
Member
The only major problems I had with AC3 were the secondary objectives and the throw away Desmond missions.
I am glad that they are going to a new character straight away. Conner was kind of lacking any personality. Judging from the trailer it seems that Edward will be very similar to the cocky ladies man that Ezio was, which is awesome.
I am also loving the look of the Assassin too (maybe a little too much armor) Its good seeing him back in white and red.
I hope that wasn't all the content we will be getting monday. I also hope that this means Ubi will have a booth at PAX East for AC4.
I am glad that they are going to a new character straight away. Conner was kind of lacking any personality. Judging from the trailer it seems that Edward will be very similar to the cocky ladies man that Ezio was, which is awesome.
I am also loving the look of the Assassin too (maybe a little too much armor) Its good seeing him back in white and red.
I hope that wasn't all the content we will be getting monday. I also hope that this means Ubi will have a booth at PAX East for AC4.
Wow, I thought the revelations CG trailer was mind blowing. This is great too, but nothing tops the revelations cinematic trailer. Glad it won an award at the 2011 VGAs for it too because it deserved.
This is probably the second best CG trailer I've seen in awhile. It has some great execution, and if this is like Sly 3 naval and exploration I am so down.
How was AC3 naval battles? I wanted to check it out but didn't get the time, and then I heard all the bad press on the glitches and mess that it was. Going to my cousin's house to see him die on a bridge 1000 times due to uneven odds was worse because he couldn't stealth or hide properly or the AI picked up on him way too early to give him a fighting chance.
Also opening a door to fall through the level was hilarious, because thats exactly what happened when I saw him playing.
This is probably the second best CG trailer I've seen in awhile. It has some great execution, and if this is like Sly 3 naval and exploration I am so down.
How was AC3 naval battles? I wanted to check it out but didn't get the time, and then I heard all the bad press on the glitches and mess that it was. Going to my cousin's house to see him die on a bridge 1000 times due to uneven odds was worse because he couldn't stealth or hide properly or the AI picked up on him way too early to give him a fighting chance.
Also opening a door to fall through the level was hilarious, because thats exactly what happened when I saw him playing.
stealth? we must have played different franchises and ubisoft was very smart with the animus idea, they can make a game on any time period regardless of the mechanics, if you think is sad why don't you let us know what ideas would you implement in the franchise to make it better, how about some constructive criticism
RustySpoon
Member
I don't disagree, but with Edward being one of Desmond's ancestors, doesn't seem like they're heading in that direction.
I've been thinking this too. But let's be honest. Stealth has never worked very well in the AC series anyway. At least the combat has developed over the course of the games. I would like to see some better sneak action though.
Crazymoogle
Member
What does sequential time have to do with the story?
With Juno on the rampage, there is a crisis to fight, plus there's still the templars and all sorts of Pieces of Eden. It's entirely plausible that some older part of Desmond's lineage comes into contact with other pieces or is otherwise the key for some modern-day part of the story.
As long as Desmond stays as is he can't relive those moments but he's certainly not the only animus-compatible person out there.
As long as Desmond stays as is he can't relive those moments but he's certainly not the only animus-compatible person out there.
This please. Desmond bored me like no other.
Ether_Snake
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It's bound to be different from previous AC games as a result of the ships being central to the theme.
All AC trailers, except ACR, have shown what the game would be like. Look at AC2's trailer, which showed you could hire prostitutes, revealed the day/night cycle, hidden-gun, etc.
In this one there is dual sword wield, four guns, ship battles and boarding, jungle/nature, underwater, cities, rain (as in AC3), maybe teammates (black guy and the other pirate), etc. And ninja-pirate.
All AC trailers, except ACR, have shown what the game would be like. Look at AC2's trailer, which showed you could hire prostitutes, revealed the day/night cycle, hidden-gun, etc.
In this one there is dual sword wield, four guns, ship battles and boarding, jungle/nature, underwater, cities, rain (as in AC3), maybe teammates (black guy and the other pirate), etc. And ninja-pirate.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I dunno how to feel.
Day 1.
Goddamn it, Ubi, you got me again. I'm just gonna ignore the modern day stuff cause the historical stories are at least always interesting.
Day 1.
Goddamn it, Ubi, you got me again. I'm just gonna ignore the modern day stuff cause the historical stories are at least always interesting.
Yeah, gameplay seems to be in the Ubi and Sony conferences lately. Guessing half the demo in each or something, with an emphasis on PS4 in the Sony one.
They should just make CG movies, they're far more interesting than the actual games at this point.
I won't be fooled again. I own AC1-2-3, and won't buy 4 unless it's a vast improvement. I'll wait till this is like $15-$20. At least it isn't a spin off. I wouldn't even consider it then.
I won't be fooled again. I own AC1-2-3, and won't buy 4 unless it's a vast improvement. I'll wait till this is like $15-$20. At least it isn't a spin off. I wouldn't even consider it then.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
C'mon Ubi, put some damn facial hair on this "pirate"
Oh wow, I like that.
This issue is, the designs lack any renovation- it looks like a medieval Assassins Creed cloak with a few color swaps and accessories to match the era. I want a revamp to truly make it fit the era, but also defining the assassin look. I was really disappointed with the lack of American Indian influence in Conor's clothes- he also sticks out like a sore thumb. Its just weird.
Stevetopsy
Member
I don't think they would've announced this as soon as they did if ACIII had fared better. I know it sold well, but there has been a lot of complaints about bugs, poor missions design, and a generally lackluster experience. I feel as though Ubisoft is finally sensing some brand fatigue, or is atleast trying to minimize it by jumping straight into the next numbered installment so soon. Putting "Black Flag" in the title also distinguishes it further from ACIII just in case consumers had any reservations about picking it up after being let down by that game.
That being said, the trailer looks very cool but gameplay will be more crucial than ever this time around. I hope they aren't relying too heavily on the change in scenery.
That being said, the trailer looks very cool but gameplay will be more crucial than ever this time around. I hope they aren't relying too heavily on the change in scenery.
keltickennedy
Member
I seriously don't think there will be that much modern day stuff. I think it will be more like AC3: Liberation.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Meet the new Assassin, same as the last Assassin.
Not gonna touch this one on release because I know a complete edition with all the preorder DLC will come out four months later.
Not gonna touch this one on release because I know a complete edition with all the preorder DLC will come out four months later.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I guess I'll be okay with that.
I mean, I'm five games in now, I can't stop. I won't stop.
dreamghost
Member
CG was really impressive almost fooled me for live action at one point. Will wait to see some actual gameplay before i get too hyped. Love the setting though. Hope we can have giant ship to ship battles boarding enemy ships like a errol flynn film.
First blond Assassain
#Gamechanger
He reminds me of The King Killer from Game Of Thrones ...they just need to add his conniving charm and im sold!
Jaime Lannister, the King Slayer. That's what Kenway would look like with a beard, more or less.
*also, LOL at the Jimmy Lannister typo
Zero-Crescent
Member
Probably not. Haytham wasn't born until after Edward retired in London and married Haytham's mother. We'll probably learn more about Edward's first marriage and Haytham's half-sister Jenny.
If you wish to know more about Haytham, they released a novel, Assassin's Creed: Forsaken; it goes over Haytham's life before and during the events of ACIII.
Spider_Jerusalem
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Thebrokenleg
Neo Member
Hard to get a good picture of the game since it was CGI, but I guess it'll be the same as the other games: good story and bad gameplay.
This looks awesome, I love the nod to having some relations with female again. This character already looks more likeable than Connor.
Ubi is pulling trailers, so if you missed it, you can catch some screens here...
http://www.examiner.com/article/fir...ag-trailer-leaked-screenshots?cid=db_articles
Ubi is pulling trailers, so if you missed it, you can catch some screens here...
http://www.examiner.com/article/fir...ag-trailer-leaked-screenshots?cid=db_articles
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Well, Heytham had to get his swag from somewhere.
Ghost_Protocol
Member
Wow, this is the first Assassin's Creed I've ever been interested in. Cool
PRjumpman124
Member
That gif gives me shivers.
What? How did you come to that conclusion? I just mentioned it bombed critically and yeah, it was because of its flaws.
Frankenstrat
Member
I really really hope this turns out to be good, because I fucking love the idea.
PRjumpman124
Member
The trailer looked impressive imo, and I hope they make the most of the Caribean setting.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
The main character looks so uninspired. He's just a generic Assassin's Creed assassin in a pirate setting. How boring is that? Give him an eye patch (they could do some cool Eagle Vision stuff with it), a hook for a hand (you can still climb, zipline, and even fight with it - give a whole new meaning to the hook blade), a peg leg - at the very least give the man a beard! Have some fun with it, ffs.
SJRB
Gold Member
Might still happen though. Similar to previous games we'll probably see different moments in the character's life.
Samir Sedlar
Member
Nope we just had different expectations.
Agree 100%
True
See ?!, different expectations.
Sure just take a look at Dishonored, I want to be able to sneak into a place, assassinate the target, then leave without anyone knowing, we already got the open world formula, we need the sandbox level design formula now.
Using the refined Crowd Stealth System from ACIII, using the crowd to slip past guards, or even using the crowd to distract guards, reaching the target and assassinating him from the crowd without anyone knowing who did it.
Or climbing up the building, avoiding roof guards by either slipping by or killing them, searching for entry points -the place should have multiple ones-, searching for the target inside, if detected more guards come to fight, if not you can reach the target in his room and assassinate him in his sleep or something.
These are like very VERY basic ideas.
I am all for that in the official forum, there are no devs here right ?!.
Though I doubt Ubi would listen, they target mass appeal.
I hope I am not cynical or came as a rude person, I am actually more into Ninjas than Pirates, heck Ninjas are more about Stealth than pirates.
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It had potential, it was something new that needed improvements and refinements rather than abandoning it all together, right ?!
I agree to a degree, in terms of what you can do with combat it improved with more options, sadly it still lacks the challenge part.
while playing ACIII I did this awesome Double Takedown, but I was never able to do it again, cause the enemies rarely attack together, it is always one at a time, and believe me I tried ALOT, standing there in the middle of 3 or 5 guards, blocking and waiting, blocking and waiting, too many times.