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Assassin's Creed Syndicate PC Performance Thread
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paperspace
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So compared to Unity, it performs worse and looks worse. ~40fps on 4790K + 970 SLI at 1080p almost maxed (high-very high) with no PCSS.
No surprise I guess.
No surprise I guess.
Jin
Member
That's strange. There's a video of someone getting 60fps with one 970 all max with no PCSS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmp3Y8MSakk
paperspace
Member
Oh, I guess SLI is the culprit then. Has there been any word on SLI-support?
Jin
Member
The last driver had SLI bits for AC: Syndicate so it should work. Afterburner shows both my cards are running.
paperspace
Member
Hnm, I see. What kind of performance do you get?
disable sli and use 1 card, u get the same performance.. something's wrong.
Jin
Member
With PCSS disable I get smooth performance. I didn't measure my framerates though, only check if it had SLI bits in Nvidia Inspector and saw usage on both my cards. But then..
Wtf. Gonna have to test this tomorrow.
I just tested it. In the same area I get 44fps with SLI on and 34fps with SLI off, i.e. only a 30% boost from enabling SLI. There isn't a CPU bottleneck either as I get locked 60fps if I turn the resolution all the way down to 720p.
The GPU usage was 99% when SLI is off, but only around 70% on both GPUs when SLI is enabled. Hopefully we'll get better SLI support since Unity's SLI scaling was nearly 100%. This might explain why my performance is way worse than Unity.
The GPU usage was 99% when SLI is off, but only around 70% on both GPUs when SLI is enabled. Hopefully we'll get better SLI support since Unity's SLI scaling was nearly 100%. This might explain why my performance is way worse than Unity.
Well seeing as Eden has created and then ditched the thread here's a few comparisons for the two more demanding settings. Excuse the awful Steam shots as I stupidly didn't update my screenshot setup when upgrading the PC I was using to Win 10.
Now I've always been a lover of HBAO+ since I saw it in action in Black Flag and Arkham Origin but bloody hell the difference in quality and accuracy the Ultra variant brings. Might be a bit too dark in places but I've not got to a bigger open area yet but you can see contact shadowing cast over a much greater distance and blended evenly too. For me definitely worth the performance hit.
From low to high is what you'd expect with a reasonable change in shadow map resolution but still not great at high. Under PCSS as you'd expect shadows cast closer to the object are more defined and under the Ultra setting the shadow map resolution is increased further. Pretty hefty performance cost on both the PCSS settings but the do make a massive difference the closer the shadow casting object is. Yet again a better comparison would be from a bigger open area but I'm not there yet. Going from high to PCSS cost me about 15-20% in performance terms and Ultra a bit further still.
One thing to note for a few this might be an issue for. As well as detecting your system config at launch and adjusting settings to suit (badly I might add) it also seeing to take the aspect ratio of your highest resolution into consideration for when adjusting the safe area for UI elements. Now despite my native resolution being 3840x2160 my display also handles 4096x2160 which isn't 16:9 so prerendered cutsceens don't expand to the full display width, all my UI elements are slightly squashed and the tutorial overlays don't meet the edges of the screen. GTA V did this and it was a right pain to sort out but if you can make a custom resolution of 4096x2304, seeing that is 16:9 hopefully that will sort this mess out.
Ambient Occlusion said:Off
HBAO+
HBAO+ Ultra
Now I've always been a lover of HBAO+ since I saw it in action in Black Flag and Arkham Origin but bloody hell the difference in quality and accuracy the Ultra variant brings. Might be a bit too dark in places but I've not got to a bigger open area yet but you can see contact shadowing cast over a much greater distance and blended evenly too. For me definitely worth the performance hit.
Shadow Quality said:High
PCSS
PCSS Ultra
From low to high is what you'd expect with a reasonable change in shadow map resolution but still not great at high. Under PCSS as you'd expect shadows cast closer to the object are more defined and under the Ultra setting the shadow map resolution is increased further. Pretty hefty performance cost on both the PCSS settings but the do make a massive difference the closer the shadow casting object is. Yet again a better comparison would be from a bigger open area but I'm not there yet. Going from high to PCSS cost me about 15-20% in performance terms and Ultra a bit further still.
One thing to note for a few this might be an issue for. As well as detecting your system config at launch and adjusting settings to suit (badly I might add) it also seeing to take the aspect ratio of your highest resolution into consideration for when adjusting the safe area for UI elements. Now despite my native resolution being 3840x2160 my display also handles 4096x2160 which isn't 16:9 so prerendered cutsceens don't expand to the full display width, all my UI elements are slightly squashed and the tutorial overlays don't meet the edges of the screen. GTA V did this and it was a right pain to sort out but if you can make a custom resolution of 4096x2304, seeing that is 16:9 hopefully that will sort this mess out.
I believe they could still optimize better for 2gb cards but they have no intention of doing so going by the latest games.
So the texture quality you get with 2gb is worse than it should be in some cases.
EDIT :
To no one's surprise, the "ultra" variant of HBAO+ and PCSS totally nuke the framerate. HBAO+ and high shadows will do fine for me.
I'll report on my performance (with objective data, frametimes) later today.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Is cutscene performance still iffy?
Yep 4096x2304 fixed my UI and safe area issues. Urrggghhh I know this is quite an exotic problem that less than 1% of people will encounter but it's something you'd expect the dev team to realise is going to be an issue if you get these values automatically from the users system and they can't override either in game or via ini adjustments.
Ah well sent Ubi's support a explanation about that and the cloth issue. Though know the response I usually get from them I get the feeling I'm going to have to do a lot more explaining.
I'll take the 11-14fps hit I get for HBAO+ Ultra any day of the week. In my eyes really worth it if you've got the performance to spare elsewhere. PCSS and the Ultra variant it's a bit of a toss up really but I noticed some flickering at close to medium distant shadows using high whilst moving the camera that I didn't get with PCSS. Really though I think I'm going to wait until I get out into the open world proper to settle on what to tinker with but each and every effect performs and looks exactly as I would expect.
Ah well sent Ubi's support a explanation about that and the cloth issue. Though know the response I usually get from them I get the feeling I'm going to have to do a lot more explaining.
I'll take the 11-14fps hit I get for HBAO+ Ultra any day of the week. In my eyes really worth it if you've got the performance to spare elsewhere. PCSS and the Ultra variant it's a bit of a toss up really but I noticed some flickering at close to medium distant shadows using high whilst moving the camera that I didn't get with PCSS. Really though I think I'm going to wait until I get out into the open world proper to settle on what to tinker with but each and every effect performs and looks exactly as I would expect.
No internet for almost two days, tried to resume the download, started from the beginning. Fuck you ubisoft.
Anyway, HBAO+ Ultra seems a must. Am i good with a 970 for ultra details (except PCSS), "light" AA solution (FXAA?) and hbao+ ultra?
Anyway, HBAO+ Ultra seems a must. Am i good with a 970 for ultra details (except PCSS), "light" AA solution (FXAA?) and hbao+ ultra?
Wooow. Guess i'll stick with the "normal" HBAO+.
19 FPS, Jesus Christ. What is Ubisoft doing? And who buys those games?
Dictator93
Member
Pretty cool that hbao+ is seeing an upgrade here. How much more expensive is it on average?
About the same again, as in 6-7 frames, on top of HBAO+ so 12-14 over no AO in the area I tested. Hope Andy has a guide up as the Far Cry 4 one where he went into detail actually what HBAO+ does (as in resolution, sample count etc) was really insightful and there looks to be more going on here.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I'm not a PC player, so I just came to see if Ubisoft avoided any further fuck-ups with the AC franchise here, however I am really curious now, how does the game look with N64 textures? Could you please post some screesnhots
?
dr_rus
Member
GTX 970 has almost two times more peak processing power than what PS4 GPU has - and it is a more efficient design which is always running closer to the peak than any GCN chip out there. If you check the benchmarks you'll see that 970 is usually about two times faster than R7 265 / 370 which are the closest to PS4 GPU parts available on PC.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
That is a dual gpu card, with 2GB on each. So, basically a 2GB card.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Cutscene performance is pretty bad for me, regularly drops into the low 50s. Also there's this weird micro stutter specifically during this Evie bit... it wasn't an issue during Jacob's introduction bit, only Evie's. Not sure what it is. Hope the NVIDIA drivers clean some of this up.
I know, but the game tells me I have almost 4 Gb VRAM.
Games do that for some reason with SLI, but you still only have 2 to use since that's how sli works.
ussjtrunks
Member
Anyone got a 980? Interested in what the 1440p performance is like.
Some games will report it as 4GB when they can only use 2GB, so going beyond 2 will likely cause framerate issues. I have the same card (GTX690), but I imagine it's the same for actual SLI set ups; the only exception to this I've seen is GTAV where somehow that game allows me to go beyond 4GB and I still get a smooth 60fps.
HBAO+ Ultra looks really great.
The range of the effect is extended greatly, and that's understandably expensive. What's impressive is that despite that it still seems to maintain the best feature of HBAO+, which is extremely minimal "false positives" (that is, AO shading where there shouldn't be any, something common with many screenspace methods).
The range of the effect is extended greatly, and that's understandably expensive. What's impressive is that despite that it still seems to maintain the best feature of HBAO+, which is extremely minimal "false positives" (that is, AO shading where there shouldn't be any, something common with many screenspace methods).
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Updated the OP with comparisons.
Garrett Hawke
Member
LMAO just had the two Evie glitch as well. She was even speaking with Jacob's voice lmao.
paperspace
Member
Game is even buggier and uglier than Fallout 4 (and Unity). Geez.
I guess it's the new industry standard. People just keep buying the crap anyway.
edit: sorry for the hyperbole, but I honestly think it's pretty damn ugly. and in terms of bugs, it has barely been playable so far. key characters disappears mid game, game doesn't start half the time etc.
playing @ 1080p maxed on i7 4790K, 970 SLI, 16GB 1600, Samsung 850 256GB SSD
I guess it's the new industry standard. People just keep buying the crap anyway.
edit: sorry for the hyperbole, but I honestly think it's pretty damn ugly. and in terms of bugs, it has barely been playable so far. key characters disappears mid game, game doesn't start half the time etc.
playing @ 1080p maxed on i7 4790K, 970 SLI, 16GB 1600, Samsung 850 256GB SSD
??
What? Buggier sure, but uglier. No no. Looks just like Unity with better draw distance it seems.
So, what's your performance? Specs? Or just came here to troll?
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
I'm not a PC player, so I just came to see if Ubisoft avoided any further fuck-ups with the AC franchise here, however I am really curious now, how does the game look with N64 textures? Could you please post some screesnhots
On second viewing I was exaggerating a bit but it is still ugly.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Lol no.
Only played like the first 10 minutes, but was getting high 50s (1080p) with everything maxed while inside, then 40s while fighting, or in a small outdoor area, and 30s with eagle vision on.
EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC+ / i7 4790K @ 4.0GHz / 16 GB RAM / SSD / Win 10
Scaling back shadows and AA some will hopefully do the trick, but I need to get out into the full open world before I'll know for sure.
EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC+ / i7 4790K @ 4.0GHz / 16 GB RAM / SSD / Win 10
Scaling back shadows and AA some will hopefully do the trick, but I need to get out into the full open world before I'll know for sure.
Garrett Hawke
Member
I hope they fix the 30fps cape physics. I tried looking for inis but there are very very few. There's one in documents which lets you turn off fog if that's bothering you but I couldn't find any relevant ones in the game files. Although apparently none of the AC games have been very tweak friendly so... meh.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Anything in there for npc count?
Garrett Hawke
Member
keltickennedy
Member
I had a problem last night with character textures were loading in low res even though I had it at the highest setting. A restart fixed the problem. Still really strange.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
That does seem a bit bare bones. From past experience these games aren't very mod friendly tho aside from reshade and texture packs. :/
Garrett Hawke
Member
Yeah they've all been like this. Recently replayed AC2 and tried to see if there was any way to increase shadow draw distance because it is very limited but there's nothing. It's a bit of a shame really.