5 to 40, also they can still tack on 19+ charges of vehicular assault, upgrade to 1st degree murder, or do other stuff.
EDIT: Traveling from another state with the intent of committing a felony could also mean federal charges, I think
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Vehicle plows into counter protesters in Charlottesville
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5 to 40, also they can still tack on 19+ charges of vehicular assault, upgrade to 1st degree murder, or do other stuff.
EDIT: Traveling from another state with the intent of committing a felony could also mean federal charges, I think
Of course he does -- he murdered a person in cold blood and injured many more. He's probably lived his last day outside of a jail or prison, and rightly so.
David H Wong
Banned
Correct, and I've never seen a single moderate in my life say otherwise. It's an idiotic straw man.
RPGCrazied
Member
He better not fucking get 5. All I'm saying. He better rot in prison.
Turbo Killer
Member
Not unless they want fucking riots.
Don't you only charge people with something you can prove? If they try to say its 1st degree and can't prove it then he will be found innocent right? Sounds like they don't want to take the chance of him walking away from this.
Besides won't he get a bunch of attempted murder charges from the injured also?
It's partly that, for sure. But the reality is that the GOP has moved far to the right politically. So anybody who is considered a "moderate" is much more closely aligned to the political left. Also, the parties have become much more partisan (primarily because of the GOP moving so far to the right):
This. Prosecutors are being smart. Make initial charges that are light, wait for more evidence to be uncovered that you can use to upgrade charges, if possible.
So what the fuck are we supposed to do with people who insist on appealing to "both sides" and call themselves "moderates"? Did you somehow miss Drumpf's tweets tonight? You've gone one better than these people, buried your head in the sand, and claim they somehow don't even exist. Pathetic.
StopMakingSense
Member
Yeah he'll see plenty of time regardless of the specific murder charge.
Trump isn't a moderate and wasn't appealing to moderates there.
Different states have different charging requirements. Jurisdiction matters. In some cases, you can charge multiple counts and degrees, in case a person isn't found guilty of the highest degree. In others, it's different.
Also, it's important to note that a prosecutor will determine the appropriate charges at a later date. A lot can change between now and then.
It's partly that, for sure. But the reality is that the GOP has moved far to the right politically. So anybody who is considered a "moderate" is much more closely aligned to the political left. Also, the parties have become much more partisan (primarily because of the GOP moving so far to the right):
Great graphic, and a good illustration for morons who think the dems need to become more centric. THEY HAVENT CHANGED. Republicans have moved grossly far right in the same time.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Goddamn it's awful whenever people using wanton violence to express their disagreement like this.
David H Wong
Banned
The prosecutor will decide what charges they go after later. These are just the charges they're using to hold him.
A lot of people are letting their outrage get in front of the facts. If they can prove more, they'll go after it. It's not like Dylan Roof got off easy.
JohnTinker
Limbaugh Parrot
Tagging to find info on the driver later. Mugshot posted on the last page is the same I've seen circulated
SoRuffShoNuff
Member
It sure doesn't feel like BS, I mean sure they stopped having evening dinner while hanging us but people sure have gotten comfortable with it being open season on us with the police and criminal justice system. We are treated like second class citizens and the feeling I have gotten from living in GA for 30 years is that I should be happy I'm not in a ditch somewhere. I have to deal with people riding around with confederate flags every damn day and if I even give the hint that I'm uncomfortable with it I'm made out to be the idiot who doesn't understand heritage pride. I live in a country try where the Klan is more respected by the majority than Black Lives Matter.
Charles Brandon
Member
Tell them to fuck off? There is nothing moderate about looking for a middle ground between civil rights and nazis. Anything in that space is extreme and just because someone who is in that space claims to be moderate, does not make it so. It's a lie, don't fall for it. Don't let them convince you that being a moderate means meeting fascists halfway. That is not what a moderate is.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Like fucking roaches..
La li le lu
Gordon Shumway
Banned
¿Porque, Cristiano?
JetBlackPanda
Member
My local news site has this story and the comments are 90%
"Leftists should have left a peaceful protest alone"
"Left antifa protests are always violent"
"Don't stand in the road unless you have a permit to block traffic"
Then there are the people who think the driver was antifa and rammed into peace loving right wingers.
"Leftists should have left a peaceful protest alone"
"Left antifa protests are always violent"
"Don't stand in the road unless you have a permit to block traffic"
Then there are the people who think the driver was antifa and rammed into peace loving right wingers.
First Degree would likely require they prove that he came down to Charlottesville with the express purpose of driving his vehicle into a crowd and planned to do so ahead of time and did not simply act out in the moment.
Second Degree is still intentional murder, but simply one that was done in the moment amd not premeditated and planned for in advance of the event.
They can always up the charge come trial should they find sufficient evidence that he was intending to do this and planned for it well in advance of the event itself.
Plus it's not like he's going to only get charged for the murder. He's going to have a wealth of other charges like attempted murder for at least 19 other people, using a vehicle as a weapon and a lot more. What will really matter is whether he serves those sentences concurrently or consecutively.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
What part of Florida you live at?
Albino_Yeti
Member
God damn it. Please disregard that pic I posted of the black police officer protecting the KKK guys. Turns out it wasn't taken today. Twitter bamboozled me. And usually I'm really good about detecting false or misleading pictures on Twitter.
I mean its still a good pic, and I think it was actually taken in Charlottesville, but at a different rally some other time.
I mean its still a good pic, and I think it was actually taken in Charlottesville, but at a different rally some other time.
Not necessarily. The intent to kill was clearly there, which is why it's still murder, but hours after arrest its smart to not overplay your hand and claim premeditation.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Utah.
Charles Brandon
Member
I see where you are coming from. But don't let those fuckers claim they speak for the centre, that they occupy the middle ground because if you do that, you accept that civil rights, equality, common human decency and all of that stuff that should be taken for granted is some kind of extreme position. It is not an extreme position. You cannot allow the right to claim the centre. Call that bullshit out.
shocking
He looks like someone smashed Kevin Owens' face with a cinderblock on each side.
jackissocool
Member
From my own fucking hometown. I hope this fucker gets executed.
This is why you don't give fascists a platform, why you don't let them organize. The murdered man was a comrade of mine, in the same organization - the IWW. The second IWW member murdered by a right wing terrorist in public this year.
How long do weak ass liberals need to talk about their pathetic non-measures to deal with the fascist party while condemning radical self defense?
If you consider yourself a leftist, join an organization and buy a gun. These fascists will kill you first chance they get.
This is why you don't give fascists a platform, why you don't let them organize. The murdered man was a comrade of mine, in the same organization - the IWW. The second IWW member murdered by a right wing terrorist in public this year.
How long do weak ass liberals need to talk about their pathetic non-measures to deal with the fascist party while condemning radical self defense?
If you consider yourself a leftist, join an organization and buy a gun. These fascists will kill you first chance they get.
RumbleHumble
Banned
It's easier to prove 2nd Degree than first (although he should probably be tried on 1st Degree and, in the alternative, 2nd degree, which is also allowed in most states.)
UberTag
Member
The true face of America is clearly far uglier than KO.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
When they start getting affected by fascism. So either never or when they do it's far too late and people are already being murdered and carted off to camps.
JohnTinker
Limbaugh Parrot
The Second Degree Murder charge is just to hold him in custody. There will be more added later, including Federal charges
I'm sure Sessions is itching to intervene.
Temeculan3000
Member
So is this the same guy people found on Facebook earlier saying Trump should have been aborted?
Yeah seems pretty clear he wanted to ram through the entire crowd and couldn't see the cars in the crowd. Once he hit the cars he reversed to escape. Truly insane.
Yeah seems pretty clear he wanted to ram through the entire crowd and couldn't see the cars in the crowd. Once he hit the cars he reversed to escape. Truly insane.
Cruz, believe it or not, has already called for a federal investigation. There may just be enough noise on the right that Session's hand will be forced.
Nope. That was mostly T_D posters pushing that narrative.
Frozenprince
Banned
Man what a staggering example of Aryan purity and the "master race"
jackissocool
Member
First as tragedy, second as farce. How could it be anything but farce when history's lessons are so clear?
NESpowerhouse
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
Have we heard anything else regarding the helicopter crash?
Claude Augario
Member
Temeculan3000
Member
Thanks, I thought there were two different people they "found" but after seeing the screencaps I see it was that falsely accused guy.
You say that, but there's a long-winded post in my Facebook feed right now about how sad it is that we can no longer talk out our differences and that identity politics is a poison. From a liberal too.
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