Dreams-Visions
Member
Fuck that noise.
He's using his position to communicate mistruths, half-truths, and flat out lies on an as-needed basis at the expense of gamers.
Fuck that guy.
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Xboxone Resolutiongate (Eurogamer)
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He's using his position to communicate mistruths, half-truths, and flat out lies on an as-needed basis at the expense of gamers.
Fuck that guy.
Neuromancer
Member
Oh yeah and this one (same thing, just clarifying the earlier post):
I had a hard time thinking of an answer to this back in June, and and even harder time now...
I had a hard time thinking of an answer to this back in June, and and even harder time now...
Agreed. People that are expecting for parity to happen between PS4 & Xbox One multiplats like with most PS3 & Xbox 360 multiplats are in for a big surprise.
There's nothing wrong with spinning things in favor of your product. That's what you and practically everyone else on this forum do day in and day out. You just take the information and spin with a grain of salt, and weigh it against all the other information and spin.
That said, if I were a MS person I'd just get the hell out of the power/resolution debates at this point. There;s nothing to be gained. The games will either improve going forward, or they won't.
travisbickle
Member
I think he was honestly asking a question, because the answer would have helped him.
Some one had to alien guyed that sentence it would be perfect for it.
Damn that is a hard one... He said secret sauce indirectly yet loudly.
SwiftDeath
Member
See my early post, got endofpaged on last page
cheezcake
Member
Microsoft hung themselves out to dry here.
Okay their console is weaker, we knew this from the start, they knew there was nothing they could do about that.
They could have focused on demoing new gameplay possibilities involving Kinect or new Live/OS features, hell just focus on trying to show that you have the best games. Instead they chose to knowingly misinform their loyal fan base about the Xbox One's technical capabilities, to act is if their potential customers were idiots.
Everyone is now seeing through the bullshit and they're pissed. This resolution issue wouldn't even be an issue if Microsoft were just upfront about their systems capabilities from the start.
Okay their console is weaker, we knew this from the start, they knew there was nothing they could do about that.
They could have focused on demoing new gameplay possibilities involving Kinect or new Live/OS features, hell just focus on trying to show that you have the best games. Instead they chose to knowingly misinform their loyal fan base about the Xbox One's technical capabilities, to act is if their potential customers were idiots.
Everyone is now seeing through the bullshit and they're pissed. This resolution issue wouldn't even be an issue if Microsoft were just upfront about their systems capabilities from the start.
Night Angel
Member
Neuromancer
Member
Odds are that if he said what people actually want him to say (honest no spin answers) he'd get a pretty good scolding from the know-nothing suits in Redmond.
He's in a shitty situation. But you're right that how he responded to certain things was not helpful to the Xbone.He isn't defending Albert, he's just saying he appreciates him being here to interact, even if it's backfiring on him. Come on man, be civil.
Neither my post nor Klocker's is meant to start any kind of argument. Back then, the tech to have an always-online console or completely negate physical media didn't exist, so times were simpler. There's no intent to belittle anyone.
brofist for the good old days.
SwiftDeath
Member
That would be rich. I think the ESram in the XB1 might have potential to perform better than GDDR5 in some really obscure tiled rendering scenario but no idea how you make up the canyon that is the difference in the GPUs
I get that. I just think it's not the internets fault. Ignorance of these types of issues and misinformation in the past was bliss as they say
I would agree that on the whole I think the wider access to information that we have presently likely leads to being more cynical because it trains you to look for bullshit
Do you not understand why people who claim insider and say false information get banned in GAF?
I don't claim to be insider when I give my opinion here in GAF. hence the discussion . he is using his position of power as insider to lie and spin. people are much more vulnerable to him than me.
Example.
today during xbox1 bf4 tournament we saw huge pop-ins on the ground. People were going back and forth about how broken the MP was. then. Dice LA dev chimed in and said that bug is now fixed. everyone then believed him and hell even mocked other posters who later complain about the pop in. it's now believed fact that the bug will or is already fixed by retail just because dev said it.
andromeduck
Member
much detail
Pristine_Condition
Member
Bull.
Shit.
As a gamer who has been around for every console launch sinch the 2600, I can assure you, the old days sucked, and nobody had fun when they figured out that they fell for some slick marketing bullshit and bought the dud system of the generation, even if they had multiple consoles.
Having access to more real, factual information for consumers to make an informed purchase decision is ALWAYS better than the roll of the dice consumers had to do in the old days.
malboroking
Banned
Jesus dude, just give it up, there is nothing that you are going to reveal in the future that is going to make up the difference in power between the two systems. When the dust settles, thr PS4 will be the more powerful machine. We have already seen a difference in BF4 and COD. You can try to argue that the difference isn't huge, but the is a measureable difference in performance between the two systems. It doesn't make the XB1 a bad device, but just admit you were wrong and move on, people are not going to buy into any more bullshit and misinformation. You wanted an apology if there was no difference. Well there is a difference, 720p to 900p for BF4 with One missing AO, and 720p to 1080p for COD. We'll soon be able to compare the other 3rd party games, and it will not be favorable to XB1.
So please, just admit you were wrong. You can argue that the XB1 will h ave better exclusives, or that the Kinect will add incredible value, or that the multimedia functions will be better, but you cannot argue that the machines are "basically the same".
Edit: spelling, damn phone
SolidSnakex
Member
Doesn't that just sound like their balance push? Acknowledge that the PS4 does have better specs but also suggest that despite that the Xbox One is the more capable box because it's been balanced. So it would be more powerful in the end because of that.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
So why do people get banned for posting misinformation here? Hmm... so that shouldn't apply to someone directly involved with making the console?
Pretty sure you've got that backwards. The rule should apply doubly so for people who know better.
FranXico
Member
That user concludes with the following comment:
That's as close as it is going to get to calling out GiantBomb as Xbox fanboys.
Theoretically you'd be correct it's maximized capability is great but they'd have need to put a metric shit ton more then 32Mb of it for it to make any kind of noticeable difference.
Snapshot King
Member
Preach brother! People who decry information overload weren't around when there was no information and you'd get hosed half the time when you'd rent a game or buy a console that was about to crash and burn.
That's good news. They either need to stay on Richard, or replace him with someone else.
Maybe they'll find someone who can...lead better.
And with that, I'm off to bed.
I'm so sorry.
AstroNut325
Member
The scorn aimed at MS and Albert is well deserved. But when it comes down to it he is an employee doing his job. If the roles were reversed you would probably see the Sony insiders downplaying the differences in tech or try to push misinformation. I'm not defending Albert. I'm simply stating that the derision should be aimed at MS as an institution instead of the individuals who can't break from the corporate line unless they are willing to lose their jobs.
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THIS! Word for word I agree.
Yep after reading that I'm off to.
Well there's a big difference between "lie" and "spin."
I don't disagree with you if insiders are intentionally posting false information as fact. That 's different than stating an opinion or putting a positive spin on things. If anyone from MS or Dice or whoever has purpose "lied" about objective facts, then I stand corrected.
Neuromancer
Member
Definitely nobody's fault, just a result of the times, plus we were younger after all.
Yes it is, no doubt about it. But it's alright to be nostalgic about earlier times too. Though in your case, you've experienced more consoles than me so you're probably more cynical
I can tell you with 100% certainty we weren't decrying info overload. Just being nostalgic.
I agree.
Quadraphonic
Member
Albert had to know this was coming, right?
I mean, there's a few possibilities:
1) He didn't know it'd be 720p/1080p, even though devs have been saying that shit since E3. That means he was honestly out of the loop on what the hell is going on with 3rd parties and really not a useful source of information
2) He knew it was going to explode like this, and chose to make posts and statements like "We invented DirectX" and "Not more than 30%, no" to make him look insane later.
3) He thought somehow the discrepancy would be lessened by launch, or at least ignored. Which is more likely for his line of thought, but unlikely to actually work in 1080p as the rumors were bubbling for a while and he played dumb.
4) Or... ultimately, he's a PR account (Even though he said he isn't PR), as a Major Nelson Jr., and basically has to toe the company line, so he knew ultimately what he was being forced to say is an out-and-out lie.
So he was either out-of-the-loop, insane, foolish or a liar.
I'm still waiting for that list of Kinect voice commands that work in which countries...
I mean, there's a few possibilities:
1) He didn't know it'd be 720p/1080p, even though devs have been saying that shit since E3. That means he was honestly out of the loop on what the hell is going on with 3rd parties and really not a useful source of information
2) He knew it was going to explode like this, and chose to make posts and statements like "We invented DirectX" and "Not more than 30%, no" to make him look insane later.
3) He thought somehow the discrepancy would be lessened by launch, or at least ignored. Which is more likely for his line of thought, but unlikely to actually work in 1080p as the rumors were bubbling for a while and he played dumb.
4) Or... ultimately, he's a PR account (Even though he said he isn't PR), as a Major Nelson Jr., and basically has to toe the company line, so he knew ultimately what he was being forced to say is an out-and-out lie.
So he was either out-of-the-loop, insane, foolish or a liar.
I'm still waiting for that list of Kinect voice commands that work in which countries...
Snapshot King
Member
I don't know, I'm not nostalgic over blowing my allowance on American Gladiators for the Genesis for the only rental I could get that month. That game was GARBAGE
Mr.Penello,
Before you post again please do me a big favor. Go pack to every thread you've ever posted in and gauge how positive or negative the the mood was by the end if the thread. The only thread I can remember not ending in a more negative and vile mood than the moments before you posted, is the Kinect and Nu-Ad thread. What was the defining difference in that thread? Your last-ish post was very clearly coming solely from your own personal opinion, and you said you hoped that the Kinect and Nu-Ad plans never came to fruition. The thread then died a quiet death seeing as how you acknowledged a problem, and then admitted that it was a problem. I assumed you would try to do whatever you reasonably could after that to stop that program from happening.
My point being, if you're going to come in here, and you're not going to be completely genuine with us, you should just not post. You don't need to tell us you think we want to hear. What we want to hear is your absolutely honest thoughts and opinions. Completely disregarding your occupation.
~A poster who thinks being thick skinned and thick skulled can be interchangeable.
Before you post again please do me a big favor. Go pack to every thread you've ever posted in and gauge how positive or negative the the mood was by the end if the thread. The only thread I can remember not ending in a more negative and vile mood than the moments before you posted, is the Kinect and Nu-Ad thread. What was the defining difference in that thread? Your last-ish post was very clearly coming solely from your own personal opinion, and you said you hoped that the Kinect and Nu-Ad plans never came to fruition. The thread then died a quiet death seeing as how you acknowledged a problem, and then admitted that it was a problem. I assumed you would try to do whatever you reasonably could after that to stop that program from happening.
My point being, if you're going to come in here, and you're not going to be completely genuine with us, you should just not post. You don't need to tell us you think we want to hear. What we want to hear is your absolutely honest thoughts and opinions. Completely disregarding your occupation.
~A poster who thinks being thick skinned and thick skulled can be interchangeable.
FranXico
Member
It's just a shame hardly any of it comes from the gaming press.
Back in 2006/2007 the press came down on Sony like there was no tomorrow, and for less trickery than Microsoft did this year.
I'm extremely disappointed that practically all major outlets are simply taking part of the farse, instead of fighting it like they did when the "villain" was Sony back then...
Neuromancer
Member
To be fair it has been ignored by a lot of games press. First it was just rumors and speculation, then when it became fact (speaking about resolution differences mostly) it was downplayed by countless sites and games press 'personalities'. It still is.
Depends on the memory, lol.
nah no 5-8 years... just like any product, I'd make the best most informed decision I could based on my information gathering, buy it, try it and if it didn't live up to expectations trade it or sell it to someone else who wanted one and get something else.
I'm playing games with the thing not marrying it.
It's not the internet's fault per se and I as am as watchful and alert to bullshit as anyone you meet, I also happen to be an optimist so I give people the benefit of the doubt.
That benefit of the doubt along WITH a healthy bullshit detector is what to me, has disappeared.. I understand why people and the dynamic has changed, I'm just saying it was more fun for all of us before full blown cynicism become "normal".
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
That would be about their product. And don't tell me for a minute that they would be received pleasantly if they commented on a competitor.
He is in direct contact with tech fellows and has played cod/bf4 on xb1 already: not out of the loop
Works in one of the high ranks in one of biggest company in the world: he is not insane
His post are very calculated and speaks of knowing great knowledge: he is not a fool
Quadraphonic
Member
Yup. Every time he's tried contributing, it basically is just inviting a ton of scrutiny and pretty much is almost like a beacon for CBOAT to spread some truthfacts.
I remember seeing a rumor a bit back that Cboat was Albert's alter-ego. I don't think that's true, but it's funny to image it. Kinda like Gollum/Smeagol.
I see you left out one... which leads to one conclusion.
Nightengale
Member
So what?
If the situation was reversed, and we have insiders trying to feed us bullshit, we sling it back to them.
It doesn't matter if he did it on his own volition, or if his boss forced him here. If the former, then he's simply lying to us. If the latter, he's paid for it, so why should we give him a break?
Bullshit. The difference is noticeable not just in the SP of BF4, but have you seen the MP footage? X1 looks like garbage. But yeah, keep the wheels spinning and come up with another car analogy. "You see, if one car is using a certain kind of wax..."
Yeah, I'm genuinely surprised by this as it feels as if a lot of folks are actually defending Microsoft here.
nah no 5-8 years... just like any product, I'd make the best most informed decision I could based on my information gathering, buy it, try it and if it didn't live up to expectations trade it or sell it to someone else who wanted one and get something else.
I'm playing games with the thing not marrying it.
It's not the internet's fault per se and I as am as watchful and alert to bullshit as anyone you meet, I also happen to be an optimist so I give people the benefit of the doubt.
That benefit of the doubt along with a healthy bullshit detector is what to me, has disappeared.. I understand why people and the dynamic has changed, I'm just saying it was more fun for all of us before full blown cynicism become normal.
All that's changed is people have more information available to them, are more educated about such subjects and have more avenues of communication. Why you'd miss the days where BS and PR nonsense ran amok far more flagrantly and without as much challenge is beyond me. Maybe Microsoft want to go back to the days of Blast Processing and Emotion Engine, as evident with their cloud claims and all the rest, but we gamers? We don't. We just want an honest account of what they're selling, so we can make an educated decision about what to purchase and what is best for our needs.
to be fair, we haven't seen a single review of comparison of final product by press. Right now they are stating personal opinions. I would say it's any issue when reviews will be out and difference in review scores will be without penalizing for obvious graphics differences or performances .
