Lord of Castamere
Member
How does anyone defend themselves on the chopping block then? By that logic its roleclaim or death. I disagree completely with that sentiment.
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Star Wars Mafia |OT| A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy
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How does anyone defend themselves on the chopping block then? By that logic its roleclaim or death. I disagree completely with that sentiment.
AbsolutBro
Member
On day 1, it pretty much is "roleclaim or death" though. I mean, what else is there to say on day 1? "You shouldn't kill me because I'm a rebel!" One can't exactly prove that, and any hutt worth half a lick of salt is going to say that!
QuantumBro
Banned
Then you have to convince people to go for a no lynch or point the finger of suspicion at someone else. There are good ways to defend yourself on day one, no one here has done it though.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Swapped did reply without a role claim, and got muliple people to respond in defense, contributing to the info available. You're wrong.
Yeah, and roleclaiming on Day 1 doesn't really do anything but tell the Hutts who to shoot. Or stab. Or whatever else they're wielding. Again, I apologize, but that behavior just seemed too suspicious to ignore.
AbsolutBro
Member
That's not really defending yourself though, it's just blame shifting. I guess we're just using different definitions. I mean, you can push for a no-detain or point the finger at someone else, but neither actually proves anything.
Again, though, it's Day 1; who else could she really point a finger at that isn't just picking someone at random? And it shouldn't be on the accused to push for a No Detain, in my opinion. I might just be dense, but I don't see anything productive coming from either of those actions.
Her defense, and the defense of everyone that backed her up, was merely pointing out how baseless your initial accusation was. I don't want to sound rude, but looking back, that just makes me more confident in my vote.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Why are we even arguing about this?
24 hours remain. Exmachina has the votes right now. We need to decide ontodays Detain.
We need to stay focused.
24 hours remain. Exmachina has the votes right now. We need to decide ontodays Detain.
We need to stay focused.
Blargonaut
Banned
I never left. ;o
Nothing else to comment on at the moment, really.
I maintain my previously stated stance on #frustrategate.
Unlike *some* of us here, I am not lacking of conviction.
Well, I'm arguing about this because your aggressive behavior in particular has me more suspicious than Exmachina making a joke. This is a vote, and I want my voice be heard.
Again, sorry if I sound rude, but I'm as focused as I can be.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Let it be heard. Just gives me more satisfaction when your proven wrong.
I never left. ;o
Nothing else to comment on at the moment, really.
I maintain my previously stated stance on #frustrategate.
Unlike *some* of us here, I am not lacking of conviction.
Man, I love that video.
Also, out of curiosity, what's your conviction against Exmachina? Other than that almost-definitely-facetious "Mafia" claim and some early aggression towards Worthy, I honestly don't think he's been that suspicious.
johnnyquicknives
Member
Correct on me, I'm just going through some posts tonight and I'll put an early vote in since I'm busy tomorrow morning and don't want to have left it without a vote if we tumble towards a majority before I get back.
Would be nice to hear any thoughts from redhood first though, he's the only player who I feel has basically avoided all discussions now.
Hey OceanicAir, what are your thoughts on this post?
Interesting turn of events.
First of all let me tell you why I voted for swamped.
Should not be a big surprise. But my vote was totally random. I rolled a dice and picked swamped. That's it. Sorry swamped.
At the moment I don't think swamped and CzarTim are Empire. Doubt Mafia started to defend their own so early. But could also be a trick. No way knowing for sure.
I was planning to that from the beginning. I liked Terrabyte20xx's plan. But I think he stopped it to soon. So I decided to try it myself and I think it worked quite well.
I am still for detaining someone today but I think it was very important not to vote "No Detain" too early. We would have had no discussion and without people posting we can learn nothing.
Ending the day early helps the empire, because the already know most of their enemies and will gain less from posting.
I'd like also to comment on the exmachina64 situation. I am not willing to vote him out yet. I'd like to get some response why he decided to claim being Mafia first.
One reason could be that he is pissed that people voted against him and he lost his cool. Not really something Mafia would do. They have their message board and he probably would have received some input from his partners.
At the moment my vote goes against OceanicAir.
This time I will give a reason.
His posting styles reminds me a lot of my own in the last game. He is posting, but it does not really add much. Could be a way to look like an active player.
Here are all of his post (hope I did not forget any):
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164171713&postcount=7
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164228200&postcount=54
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164231917&postcount=70
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164275014&postcount=185
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164275094&postcount=187
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164340296&postcount=323
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164360650&postcount=383
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164372004&postcount=406
Vote: OceanicAir
This is of course just based on a feeling. But like I said, it reminds me a lot of my own posting style, when I was Mafia.
I am also sure that there are other players who would fall in this category. But for some reason OceanicAir caught my attention.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
No, Exmachina made a joke that he messaged me asking me for instructions because he just blew his cover, saying that I was a mafia and helping him XD
Blargonaut
Banned
Sooooooooo...
...you know what we need up in here? Some killa beatz.
The display's all cracked and busted, but the ship's holo-player still works!
AUDIO OUTPUT // 'To The Moon and Back' - Savage Garden
The suns are beginning to dim.
...you know what we need up in here? Some killa beatz.
The display's all cracked and busted, but the ship's holo-player still works!
AUDIO OUTPUT // 'To The Moon and Back' - Savage Garden
The suns are beginning to dim.
Oh yeah, that! That's pretty good! Still don't understand the ire against Exmachina, though. Unless, like, we're half-Hutts.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Also, what the heck is up with LoC? One person voted for based off of suspicious claims and he goes off on him. One person voted for him, it's not like its everyone. I don't exactly know why he's voting for you, but I'm kind if being rubbed the wrong way right now by LoC. Very interesting behavior based on only one vote.
Blargonaut
Banned
Lord of Castamere
Member
I can't defend myself? I should shrug and roll over? He made direct acquisitions and I retorted.
Blargonaut
Banned
Terabyte20xx - Likes me not?
Traube - Likes me?
Lord of Castamere - Likes me not?
Redhood56 - Likes me?
exmachina64 - Likes me not?
Palmer_v1 - Likes me?
CzarTim - Likes me not?
OceanicAir - Likes me?
Barrylocke - Likes me not?
Zippedpinhead - Likes me?
AbsolutBro - Likes me not?
Johnnyquickknives - Likes me?
TheWorthyEdge - Likes me not?
Matt Attack - Likes me?
Quantumbro - Likes me not?
Zubz - Likes me?
Raindoc - Likes me not?
Blargonaut - Likes me?
ejawa - Likes me not?
swamped - Likes me?
Setre - Likes me not?
Makai - Likes me?
Rymuth - Likes me not?
*sigh*
Petals, a flower!
My power for a flower;
Yet the sands yield not.
Told you he has cooties.
Lord Icky
Traube - Likes me?
Lord of Castamere - Likes me not?
Redhood56 - Likes me?
exmachina64 - Likes me not?
Palmer_v1 - Likes me?
CzarTim - Likes me not?
OceanicAir - Likes me?
Barrylocke - Likes me not?
Zippedpinhead - Likes me?
AbsolutBro - Likes me not?
Johnnyquickknives - Likes me?
TheWorthyEdge - Likes me not?
Matt Attack - Likes me?
Quantumbro - Likes me not?
Zubz - Likes me?
Raindoc - Likes me not?
Blargonaut - Likes me?
ejawa - Likes me not?
swamped - Likes me?
Setre - Likes me not?
Makai - Likes me?
Rymuth - Likes me not?
*sigh*
Petals, a flower!
My power for a flower;
Yet the sands yield not.
Told you he has cooties.
Lord Icky
TheWorthyEdge
Member
No no no. You can defend yourself but your being really defensive when only one person voted you.
I like you Blarg, I do.
So, I guess you could say, that the dashboard's melted, but we still got the radio? Nice choice, by the way. Also, what is it with this future music?
He jumped on the accusation-bandwagon against Swamped. In doing so, he basically asked her to roleclaim. When I brought this up, he was adamant that he was asking her to "defend herself," but the question seemed pretty clear in its purpose. The "alternatives" suggested would've just been distracting to the discussion, pointing the fingers in a randomly selected direction on a day where no one knows anything but their own roles.
Either way, other than Swamped and others pointing out how baseless these accusations were, there was no outcome that didn't benefit the Hutts. There was no way she could "defend" herself without justifiably discrediting this suspicious claim.
You didn't really answer anything, though. You just became really aggressive, and deflected what I had asked everywhere else,. Meanwhile, you just tried to make me sound ludicrous for being suspicious of you, and for not bandwagoning for a cause I don't agree with, without really explaining either.
Intent-wise LoC doesn't strike me as anti-town. He's aggressive, but he's created a lot of useable content.
This is a list of people with 10 or less posts in this thread:
QuantumBro, Barrylocke, Zippedpinhead, OceanicAir, Matt Attack, raindoc, Setre, Rymuth, redhood56
Two votes have been cast between them. Compare that to the number of votes levied against the top posters.
TheWorthyEdge, CzarTim, Lord of Castamere, Palmer_v1, exmachina64, Blargonaut, johnnyquicknives, Terrabyte20xx, traube
19 votes (10 if you ignore exmachina's votes, who certainly earned some with his stunt)
This doesn't 100% clear the top posters or incriminate the bottom posters, but keep in mind it's very easy to FOS frequent posters since they aren't 'out of sight out of mind'. So I suppose everyone will have to ask themselves whether or not the top posters' content has helped town or hurt it. And whether the bottom posters have been trying to contribute or flying under the radar.
This is a list of people with 10 or less posts in this thread:
QuantumBro, Barrylocke, Zippedpinhead, OceanicAir, Matt Attack, raindoc, Setre, Rymuth, redhood56
Two votes have been cast between them. Compare that to the number of votes levied against the top posters.
TheWorthyEdge, CzarTim, Lord of Castamere, Palmer_v1, exmachina64, Blargonaut, johnnyquicknives, Terrabyte20xx, traube
19 votes (10 if you ignore exmachina's votes, who certainly earned some with his stunt)
This doesn't 100% clear the top posters or incriminate the bottom posters, but keep in mind it's very easy to FOS frequent posters since they aren't 'out of sight out of mind'. So I suppose everyone will have to ask themselves whether or not the top posters' content has helped town or hurt it. And whether the bottom posters have been trying to contribute or flying under the radar.
Lord of Castamere
Member
ftfy
Blargonaut
Banned
Aww, thanks.
Such a shame that a vocal one will be killed tonight.
Sounds to me like you just confirmed that you're Imperial, your highness.
#checkmate
Says the guy voting for the top poster
Because of this:
I feel relatively good about blarg and rain. Zipped and matt are middle of the pack. TheWorthyEdge and eJawa are the ones I'm most concerned about.
Lord of Castamere
Member
None of that is correct, besides the aggression and ludicrous part. I have answered everything.
I can't explain someone elses interpretation of events. What you said didn't happen. I followed Traubes swamped vote in an attempt to get information. I assumed, correctly I might add, that Traube voted randomly. I pressured her to get an actual response other than the nothing she gave. That's all there was. You reading way too far into one word is ludicrous.
I also never said anything about you bandwagoning a cause either. That is a complete lie. The message was aimed at everyone.
Speaking of:
Bolded those who voted for exmachina64 after his stunt. Interesting how half his votes are coming from the bottom! Might be useful in the future.
Blargonaut
Banned
ty!The lyrics fit our theme so well I could hardly believe it
And yep, who knows what kind of weird alien species sang these strange songs...
The whole exmachina/TWE fiasco sure was amusing. I understood neither head nor tail. If it was the Hutt Mob's intention to confuse everyone with that it was certainly successful.
So we have less than a day until the day phase ends? Time flies.
Ok, here goes:
VOTE: exmachina64
I've been mulling over this a fair bit with smoothie in hand (found a blender in the wreckage). I know some people think that he was just frustrated and blurted out something, but when I first read that message combined with him voting for himself I just had this feeling in my gut that he gave up. I haven't been able to shake it yet. I did mention before that I would go with my gut if no other logical choice turned up. Freakzilla did something similar in the happy happy thread yonder, but their post definitely came across as more sarcastic.
If exmachina turns out to be a rebel, that will be terrible, but I think I am willing to take a risk. I did say that I wanted to detain today, and I don't want to randomly vote. I have more feelings about exmachina today than anyone else. So long story short - I have no real reason to vote for exmachina other than some kind of gut instinct. I know that in days to come I will be able to rely on logic more, but not today.
Definitely. If ever I have to vote against you it won't be personal that's for sure.
So we have less than a day until the day phase ends? Time flies.
Ok, here goes:
VOTE: exmachina64
I've been mulling over this a fair bit with smoothie in hand (found a blender in the wreckage). I know some people think that he was just frustrated and blurted out something, but when I first read that message combined with him voting for himself I just had this feeling in my gut that he gave up. I haven't been able to shake it yet. I did mention before that I would go with my gut if no other logical choice turned up. Freakzilla did something similar in the happy happy thread yonder, but their post definitely came across as more sarcastic.
If exmachina turns out to be a rebel, that will be terrible, but I think I am willing to take a risk. I did say that I wanted to detain today, and I don't want to randomly vote. I have more feelings about exmachina today than anyone else. So long story short - I have no real reason to vote for exmachina other than some kind of gut instinct. I know that in days to come I will be able to rely on logic more, but not today.
Definitely
. If ever I have to vote against you it won't be personal that's for sure.OceanicAir
Member
Well, I was away from home most of the day so I been reading up today. I haven't really said a whole lot because as I said before I don't have a lot to say, which is a combination of being fairly new to mafia and my posting style on neogaf in general.
I haven't seen anything jump out as questionable nor did I expect it on the first day. When I look at the vote count it seems people are as unsure as I am, there are votes on 5 different people (including me). But the main reason I haven't voted is because my suspect list is too large as it consists of groups of people 1) people that have posted fewer than I have and 2) people that are high volume posters as I feel that it would provide a place to hide.
I admit that I didn't know what to make of you at first and thought you were going to be disruptive. I apologize, since it was a dumb reason to vote for you. You are adding some much needed light heartness to these tense times, with us turning on each other. Unless of course your a hutt, in which case may the sarlacc pit have you!
AbsolutBro
Member
We cool.
I guess I'll go ahead and throw a vote in, in case more craziness goes down while I'm sleeping.
vote: TheWorthyEdge Nothing major really. Couple bouts of bandwagon voting have me a little suspicious. I'm not really 100% convinced of anyone just yet, but in a pile of suspicious people (which is all of ya!) it's the little things that stand out.
johnnyquicknives
Member
Out of the people I mentioned as most suspicious earlier
Zipped did address my suspicions:
I'm not entirely sold on the defense to be honest, mostly because my issue wasn't only the low number of posts but also that I felt what you did post would make pretty good Hutt camoflage.
TheWorthyEdge hasn't changed my opinion at all, and right now I'm more suspicious of him than zipped. He's just so inconsistent.
But for now I'm going to:
VOTE: redhood56
He has posted a total of 3 times, one a hello post/joke then twice to say he'd post later.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164222686&postcount=47
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164261542&postcount=129
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=164372762&highlight=#post164372762
Despite this he has somehow managed to basically slide under everyones radar (I think partly because the game has been eventful and partly because his postcount has been bolstered by a few pre-game posts).
I think that it's quite possible he was initially quiet and since his silence managed to go unchallenged when people like setre and zubz were being called out (again because his pre-game posts made him look more active) I think he might have just decided to stay in the shadows.
I'm also always a bit wary of people who are active/excited in the run-up to a game and then suddenly a lot less involved when it gets going. Maybe they have another forum they can post in?
Zipped did address my suspicions:
I'm not entirely sold on the defense to be honest, mostly because my issue wasn't only the low number of posts but also that I felt what you did post would make pretty good Hutt camoflage.
TheWorthyEdge hasn't changed my opinion at all, and right now I'm more suspicious of him than zipped. He's just so inconsistent.
But for now I'm going to:
VOTE: redhood56
He has posted a total of 3 times, one a hello post/joke then twice to say he'd post later.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164222686&postcount=47
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164261542&postcount=129
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=164372762&highlight=#post164372762
Despite this he has somehow managed to basically slide under everyones radar (I think partly because the game has been eventful and partly because his postcount has been bolstered by a few pre-game posts).
I think that it's quite possible he was initially quiet and since his silence managed to go unchallenged when people like setre and zubz were being called out (again because his pre-game posts made him look more active) I think he might have just decided to stay in the shadows.
I'm also always a bit wary of people who are active/excited in the run-up to a game and then suddenly a lot less involved when it gets going. Maybe they have another forum they can post in?
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
So I went back and looked at the bandwagon of ex machina, and two of them really stood out to me.
First was Zippedpinhead's. It really has that feel of an opportunistic mafia taking advantage of a situation. Especially because he uses the words "I'm not going to argue." Which honestly feels apathetic, the last thing a rebel should be. But hutts have every right to be apathetic, as they just need to survive. If zip is hutt, he can only be if it the detain going through. If exmachina is rebel, Zipped can easily blend in with the crowed. If he's Hutt, Zipped vet's rebel cred for the bus.
The other post that bugged me was raindoc's. He quoted an earlier post of his stating that he would vote no detain unless someone delivers a really good argument... And then proceeds to only post his vote without explanation on why he felt it was a good vote, or what argument compelled him to vote.
I'm really suspicious of both of them because of this, but raindoc's felt way more like an about face, so I will place my vote on him at the moment.
VOTE: raindoc
First was Zippedpinhead's. It really has that feel of an opportunistic mafia taking advantage of a situation. Especially because he uses the words "I'm not going to argue." Which honestly feels apathetic, the last thing a rebel should be. But hutts have every right to be apathetic, as they just need to survive. If zip is hutt, he can only be if it the detain going through. If exmachina is rebel, Zipped can easily blend in with the crowed. If he's Hutt, Zipped vet's rebel cred for the bus.
The other post that bugged me was raindoc's. He quoted an earlier post of his stating that he would vote no detain unless someone delivers a really good argument... And then proceeds to only post his vote without explanation on why he felt it was a good vote, or what argument compelled him to vote.
I'm really suspicious of both of them because of this, but raindoc's felt way more like an about face, so I will place my vote on him at the moment.
VOTE: raindoc
QuantumBro
Banned
I'm starting to have second doubts on exmachina64, but maybe that's all part of his master plan.
This looks suspicious on it's own, but less than 20 posts above someone said they were mafia.
Same with Zippedpinhead. Exmachina didn't claim he was joking until after they had posted.
This looks suspicious on it's own, but less than 20 posts above someone said they were mafia.
Same with Zippedpinhead. Exmachina didn't claim he was joking until after they had posted.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Exactly, if someone claims they were mafia, everyone jumps on it, making it increadably easy for the actual scum to blend in. The fact that there was a claim makes it MORE likely that someone on the band wagon is hutt, not less.
QuantumBro
Banned
Funny, I'm more suspicious of the people who didn't jump into the bandwagon, but posted during that period.
Though I can't really be certain about anything till tomorrow afternoon.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
I'm sure there's at least one who hasn't. Be it either because they weren't around or because you shouldn't put all your eggs into one basket.
I do.
exmachina64
Banned
I may not have played online Mafia before, but I have played irl. I'm well aware that the mafia have most of the power. Not sure how logical it is to believe that a mafia member would give up so easily. On the first day, no less.
Again, I didn't follow/read through the previous game. Sorry my post wasn't sarcastic enough for you.
Congratulations, you're voting for a Rebel.
Out of this list, I suspect two of them to be Hutts.
VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
I don't really expect for you to unvote me, especially now. You're the one of which I'm currently most suspicious. Can't point to a single post, just a general feeling and tone.
Matt Attack
Member
It's my understanding now that many of you have cooled on voting exmachina. I'm really not sure if I want to lift my vote though (not yet, at least). I just can't stop considering the possibility that he did truthfully confess, even though I know that there's a definite (maybe even likely) possibility that his explanation isn't a lie. For me though, there's only a small number of posters who I've got my eye on at this point, and frankly I'm not entirely confident in voting to detain any of them yet (some are closer than others). I'll run though the thread again tonight and try to recollect my thoughts.
I also see that the lower post count players are being more frequently suspected, myself included. Personally, I am still against detaining inactive players at this point in the game, but I understand that we may potentially end up heading in that direction, and I'd like to make sure we make as smart a decision as possible. If anybody has any specific concerns about me or my posts, I'd be happy to address them.
I also see that the lower post count players are being more frequently suspected, myself included. Personally, I am still against detaining inactive players at this point in the game, but I understand that we may potentially end up heading in that direction, and I'd like to make sure we make as smart a decision as possible. If anybody has any specific concerns about me or my posts, I'd be happy to address them.
exmachina64
Banned
And before anyone has an idea to mention this:
I live in the U.S. Central time zone; I'm not getting any sleep tonight. I'm moving and my wife put off a lot of shit (packing and utilities) to the last minute.
I live in the U.S. Central time zone; I'm not getting any sleep tonight. I'm moving and my wife put off a lot of shit (packing and utilities) to the last minute.
Zippedpinhead
Member
After exmachina64 decided to come to his senses, I'm pretty sure that voting for him today would really just be voting for a rebel that went on tilt. It could be a great Hutt retraction, but at least the way that it has been presented he looks more rebel then hutt today.
The worthyedge.,. A lot of people are voting for him, and I'm reasonably confident that he will be our day 1 detain. That said, I don't like it. It just doesn't sit well with me. I'm not going to try and stop a detain (because I have been pushing since before this game started for a day 1 detain), but I'm not sold he is the correct person.
i have some suspicions now, based on this whole day of gameplay, but there is no way that voting for either of them comes to anything today (more likely just gets me killed tonight).
I'm going to vote for worthyedge, against my better judgement. This is primarily because I had terrible judgment in the past, a lot of my suspicions are real, but the people I focus on are not scum.
vote=theworthyedge
If he really is scum, then it goes a long way to proving who is really a rebel today.
The worthyedge.,. A lot of people are voting for him, and I'm reasonably confident that he will be our day 1 detain. That said, I don't like it. It just doesn't sit well with me. I'm not going to try and stop a detain (because I have been pushing since before this game started for a day 1 detain), but I'm not sold he is the correct person.
i have some suspicions now, based on this whole day of gameplay, but there is no way that voting for either of them comes to anything today (more likely just gets me killed tonight).
I'm going to vote for worthyedge, against my better judgement. This is primarily because I had terrible judgment in the past, a lot of my suspicions are real, but the people I focus on are not scum.
vote=theworthyedge
If he really is scum, then it goes a long way to proving who is really a rebel today.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Nooooooo what are you guys doing...ugh. Well this sucks. I'm not going to defend it really because there's not much I can do rolewise but hey why not vote me right? Damn. This sucks.