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Star Wars Mafia |OT| A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Also, if a medic saves me or Zubz than they save two people and not one. They could do that twice until they can't do it anymore. The watcher would also be able to tell more easily now that I told you guys that. Its all in the fact that the Rebels get a Victory is why I'm telling you this. It makes some roles a lot more interesting and easier to use if it means my partners and my life.
 

raindoc

Member
Wait worthy you said yesterday if you die we should protect your buddy. Now you're lovers?

On my iPad so I can't find it

good catch:

NOOOO. You guys are going to feel so stupid........UGH. Do. Not. Listen. To. Them. Don't.

Two promises you guys have to make me if I go tonight. Vote Palmer tomorrow, and carry my pal to the end.

Sucks to say goodbye on the first day. Was really looking forward to getting decently far.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=164622162&postcount=730
 
But now you guys are practically guaranteed to be killed in the night. The Hutts would have to be insane to not hit, or a doc would have to be so lucky for you guys to live.


Also, you know that if one more of you vet's detained, the other probably dies/get's detained too right? You aren't masons... Your lovers.

Nope. The only way we die together is at night. That's a fact.
 
Because I've always had suspicions of him and his easy to jump on voting me today right off the bat, IVote: Palmer_v1. Don't like the way this guy is playing at all. Some could say that about me, but I just feel he either has another agenda or is a Hutt.
 

CzarTim

Member
Also, if a medic saves me or Zubz than they save two people and not one. They could do that twice until they can't do it anymore. The watcher would also be able to tell more easily now that I told you guys that. Its all in the fact that the Rebels get a Victory is why I'm telling you this. It makes some roles a lot more interesting and easier to use if it means my partners and my life.
So it's like the roommate system in the AC game? I can't tell if you're saying a power role on one of you applies to both of you?
 
So it's like the roommate system in the AC game? I can't tell if you're saying a power role on one of you applies to both of you?

Yeah it would. Because if a medic saves Zubz I don't die, because Zubs didn't die. If a watcher watches me, he's practically also watching Zubz because whoever is going for me is going for Zubz.
 

CzarTim

Member
So you're role is that anything that happens to zubz or you at night happens to the other?

So now we ask ourselves if matty and kark big enough assholes to put the same game concept in both games. One hidden, one known.
 

Terrabyte20xx

Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
So you're role is that anything that happens to zubz or you at night happens to the other?

So now we ask ourselves if matty and kark big enough assholes to put the same game concept in both games. One hidden, one known.
Well they DID have access to a separate forum to make their games with Crab...
 
NOOOOOOO, WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT!?!!!?

I can't help but agree. I guess the first step is to wait for Zubz to confirm. I voted and unvoted for Worthy and at the end of the day declared him to be my least suspicious of the three. I hope I'm not wrong.


Also, a big shame about Machina's death. I thought he needed to be kept an eye on by the town, but not killed on day 1. I do kinda wish he defended himself when it was getting near the end. Though I think he mentioned moving with his wife or something so I suppose real life could have gotten in the way.
 

CzarTim

Member
I kind of want to say I remember Matty saying something in the other thread about the games being connected somehow, but either I'm mistaken or he edited out. Probably not fair to bring it up, but I want to win :p

Also:

I'm out and about right now, but I should have confirmation PMs out withing the next couple hours. Then I just have to figure out how to handle TheWorthyEdge situation.

prophetic
 

CzarTim

Member
Wow, okay. Tons of stuff happened while I was up sick. Firstly: RIP to our fallen comrades. You will not be forgotten.

Does any else find this:





suspicious?

I want to be very clear here, I was 100% wrong there. I had a problem with the early random voting, and I was very, very wrong. I even admitted it yesterday. If you read my posts and feel like I am acting against town interest, I totally don't blame you questioning me. I feel like I've been doing my best to scumhunt here, and being wrong doesn't mean mafia. But you're totally right for bringing it up, because boy was I wrong.
 

eJawa

would probably like a hook in his jaw for that matter
I've made a huge mistake.... on account of exmachina. On top of that, I was very suspicious of LoC and that was way of mark too. My confidence in detecting guilt is shot. At this point I'm more suspicious of my own judgement, then other people!
 
At the moment I don't see CzarTim as Empire. I don't think that Empire would jump so early in to defend their own.

For swamped it would be a good move to make CzarTim look suspicious.

I agree, especially so early and in a situation where swamped wasn't so suspicious seeming. She had votes on her but it was pretty flaky and things could (and did) change easily.
 
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Three dead in one day, but at least one of them was an Imperial :eek: swamped, how could you!

Forgive me, exmachina. You should have totes role-claimed; personally, mistrustful me would have not swayed my vote, but I'm sure someone else would have unvoted if you had stated your skills. Then, after not being lynched, you could have entrusted your shield generator to someone you trusted the most to use it on you, to protect you from possible Hutt retaliation during the first night. :'(

And, I'm sorry, Mr. Castamere, for ever doubting you. I'll pay your debts for you, I swears it.

Looks like my guilt-scanner is shot just like yours, eJawa. :(



And, to whoever threw that holoprojector at me in the middle of the night: I'm glad that you think I can be trusted with this information. However, I'll think I'll refrain from telling the others anything, until the time is right.
 
I want to be very clear here, I was 100% wrong there. I had a problem with the early random voting, and I was very, very wrong. I even admitted it yesterday. If you read my posts and feel like I am acting against town interest, I totally don't blame you questioning me. I feel like I've been doing my best to scumhunt here, and being wrong doesn't mean mafia. But you're totally right for bringing it up, because boy was I wrong.

Fair enough. Especially on day 1 with no info to go on. I was just rereading the thread and noticed those two posts is all.
 
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Three dead in one day, but at least one of them was an Imperial :eek: swamped, how could you!

Forgive me, exmachina. You should have totes role-claimed; personally, mistrustful me would have not swayed my vote, but I'm sure someone else would have unvoted if you had stated your skills. Then, after not being lynched, you could have entrusted your shield generator to someone you trusted the most to use it on you, to protect you from possible Hutt retaliation during the first night. :'(

And, I'm sorry, Mr. Castamere, for ever doubting you. I'll pay your debts for you, I swears it.

Looks like my guilt-scanner is shot just like yours, eJawa. :(



And, to whoever threw that holoprojector at me in the middle of the night: I'm glad that you think I can be trusted with this information. However, I'll think I'll refrain from telling the others anything, until the time is right.

Moot point now, but for clarification, exmachina's shield was a personal one that would only have been used on whoever got it. But he could have pulled it off by simply giving it to a trusted townie and saying that he gave them a shield before the townie posts. Granted people might have thought they were colluding, but it would have likely got some heat off.

Also, ooh at the projector.
 

eJawa

would probably like a hook in his jaw for that matter
Things are definitely heating up and not just because of the rising twin suns. I've got to start looking at people who never even crossed my radar as being a possible hutt.
 
Damn, theres a lot to catch up on already.

First RIP to the fallen.

Losing exmachina is a big hit and, although I wasn't for lynching them, I have no animosity to those that did. The posts he was making on day 1 were kind of asking for trouble.

My initial thoughts on the Worthy situation are tricky, the role he has claimed is about the easiest one for the Hutt to fake and the only way we will know for sure is when one of them dies. Thoughts:
1) Instict says rebel. Kind of a counterpoint to swampeds Hutt aligned team.
2) I'm not sure that having one confirmed as rebel is a huge bonus at this point. I mean being able to trust that they are arguing for the right side clearly helps but if we want to keep them alive then its going to require ongoing protection, and we're already down a very strong role with a protector element to it.
3) On the opposite side if Worthy is telling the truth, but we are still unsure on them/not offering protection, then the mob could sweep in at night and score an easy double kill, which is worse than us sacrificing one with a detainment.

The double death at night:
I'm not convinced that LoC killed swamped with his skill. He admitted that his votes against swamped were random and used for gathering info (not just on swamped) and he certainly wasn't pushing hard to get her detained.

My initial thought was that zubz was going after LoC hard so clearly needs looked at.
I considered his death might have been a vigilante/single use kill from zubz. But we lost 2 potential one-shot kill roles last night from LoC and Exmachinas blaster so what are the odds of having more town aligned 1 hit kills? So that would leave zubz as maybe a serial killer? but then that kill would only be drawing attention to himself, which wouldn't seem the smartest play.
So the second option is that the mob targeted him (either with a vote or a mobster with a 2nd kill skill) knowing that we would automatically have look at zubz; this gets into the same double bluffing area that ended me in the last game. Would the mafia make such an obvious move of killing someone that one of their own was so heavily rooting against and assume we would think that was too obvious? Or would they target him hoping we might turn against zubz despite that?
The third option is obviously a random kill from a third party other than zubz, a serial killer using the same logic as the mobster option above for example.

I've not put much thought into swampeds death yet so I'll come back to it later.

Right now my hunch is that Worthy is telling the truth, that he and zubz are town aligned and the whoever killed LoC wanted our attention on zubz, but didn't realise that he was also going to end up embroiled in Worthy's roleclaim.
I want to see more thoughts from people, and consider swampeds death, before I target anyone but if nothing more compelling comes up I think detaining Worthy to confirm zubz wouldn't be the worst end to the day.
 

raindoc

Member
Wow, okay. Tons of stuff happened while I was up sick. Firstly: RIP to our fallen comrades. You will not be forgotten.

Does any else find this:





suspicious?

Glad I'm not the only one. He was also the most outspoken defender of a Day 1 lynch. His first reaction today? Not mentioning the huge fuckup (killing the armorer for no good reason) but straight going back to pointing his finger at TWE, who just happens to be a Rebel... again.
 
Moot point now, but for clarification, exmachina's shield was a personal one that would only have been used on whoever got it. But he could have pulled it off by simply giving it to a trusted townie and saying that he gave them a shield before the townie posts. Granted people might have thought they were colluding, but it would have likely got some heat off.

Also, ooh at the projector.

Ah, ty for the clarification!

And yep, it was an intriguing message :eek: I hope I survive long enough to take advantage of whatever comes of it...
 

Palmer_v1

Member
He was also one of the swing votes near the end that could have saved exmachima, but chose not to. He was awfully worried about a tie between zipped, twe, and exmachima. If he was hutt, we know he wouldn't care about machina, so maybe he was protecting one of the other two. If twe truly is a lover with zubs, that leaves zipped.

One minor point, twe has been posting a LOT, and were supposed to believe he has ansecond forum hes also posting in.

Posting from my phone, so sorry for typos. Ill unvote twe in a bit.
 

Palmer_v1

Member
Oh and czar might have been covering for twe cause if he was mafia, he would know about the evil masons(swamped) but not who they were, and twe soft claimed a very similar role.
 

MattyG

Banned
Lord of Castamere said:
The group builds a makeshift firepit to the east of camp. They ready the bodies of the deceased to burn come twilight. As Lord of Castameres body is chucked on the wood a small holorecorder memory chip falls out of his now opened hand. The chip is taken back to camp and inserted into a holorecorder found on the ship. Everyone gathers to listen...

The Transmission begins. You see an angry drunk man sitting in a chair waving a bottle of Scotch around frantically.


If you are listening to this, then I have died. Don't be sad, I'm in a better place now... away from you. I knew the second I was assigned this unit what a miserable pile I was stuck with. I didn't join the Rebellion to be surrounded by such company. I am a Ship commander, not a transporter of fools! I've fought alongside Admiral Ackbar for heavens sake! It doesn't matter now... I'm not an amazing fighter or good with with blasters. My talents lie elsewhere. I tend to fight with words, and Starship lasers, but I want you to listen closely now. Let my passion fuel the rage within you!! I'm dead, and you still have a mission to complete. The Empire cannot succeed. The Hutts must not succeed. Cut off their heads and put them on spikes! Make the Hutts fear you, lest they undermine everything we stand for! The Emperor will die by our hand! Tyranny will collapse with Freedom springing from the bones of the fallen! My bones... Kill one of them for me, and kill all of them For The Republic! Make me proud, you fools. If any Hutts or Imperials read this, I'll see you in Hell. In fact, I'll save you a glass of Whisky. Bottoms up.

The Transmission ends.
.
 

Palmer_v1

Member
So, Hutts kill at night, while rebels merely detain during the day. Makes me wonder if there's a jailer type role that can potentially release someone who's been detained, but not killed.

Unvote: TheWorthyEdge
 

Rymuth

Member
Tsk~

After seeing who got detained, I prepared a long message detailing why Worthy should get the vote this time but now this whole 'Combat Buddy' happens and messed up the flow of my entire argument-

Still think Worthy is most suspicious for the following reasons:


  • Most instances of the group being thrown into confusion has to do with Worthy
  • Repeated instances of answering questions with another question
  • Threatening to vote for CzarTim, just to prove the two are not working together but never actually committed to it (I can understand voting and then voting, at least)
 

Setre

Member
Wow, okay. Tons of stuff happened while I was up sick. Firstly: RIP to our fallen comrades. You will not be forgotten.

Does any else find this:

suspicious?

That is suspicious but what's even more suspicious is this:

Glad I'm not the only one. He was also the most outspoken defender of a Day 1 lynch. His first reaction today? Not mentioning the huge fuckup (killing the armorer for no good reason) but straight going back to pointing his finger at TWE, who just happens to be a Rebel... again.

You're both jumping pretty hard on CzarTim right now.

And, to whoever threw that holoprojector at me in the middle of the night: I'm glad that you think I can be trusted with this information. However, I'll think I'll refrain from telling the others anything, until the time is right.

And yep, it was an intriguing message :eek: I hope I survive long enough to take advantage of whatever comes of it...

Why not just tell us now? Seems suspicious for you to mention it and withhold the information from us. If we decide to vote you you can always hold your "secret message" over us unless we decide not to detain you.

Vote: Blargonaut
 

Makai

Member
TheWorthyEdge, I think you should take a break and let Zubz explain his role. I won't find it very convincing if your lover shows up and says "yeah, what he said."
 
Why not just tell us now? Seems suspicious for you to mention it and withhold the information from us. If we decide to vote you you can always hold your "secret message" over us unless we decide not to detain you.

Vote: Blargonaut

The message asked me to inform you all of its existence, and I have.

Believe me, the content itself is not earth-shattering as I may have seemed it to be.


A promise for future information, nothing more.
 

eJawa

would probably like a hook in his jaw for that matter
The message asked me to inform you all of its existence, and I have.

Believe me, the content itself is not earth-shattering as I may have seemed it to be.


A promise for future information, nothing more.

That seems odd. It makes you have to tell us about it, but doesn't give you any usefull info right away. If that's the case, doesn't it just make you a hutt target? They know you have it now and will probably try to prevent you from using it.
 
RIP LoC and exmachina

I doubt that LoC used his kill so early due to the fact that he voted for swamped, CzarTim, zipped, Worthy, and exmachina so he wasn't exactly sure of who to target and would be more likely to hurt town than mafia. Also the only mafia member among them (that we know of at least) that he chose was done randomly. So unless we have two night killers, there might be a serial killer among us. Out of the two deaths one (or both) of the killers either does not have town's best interest in mind or else they would have admitted that they killed swamped. There is a small possibility that they could be town and have the ability to kill once more so they don't want to bring attention to themselves but like my first point, I don't that town would kill on the first night.

Also with the whole Worthy situation, I think that he's telling the truth because drawing that much attention to himself would be extremely damaging to his team no matter how many are there are especially if there is a cop floating about. Of course my feelings could change if Zubz denies it. I never had strong suspicions in the first place about him (did not have strong opinions on anybody as I did not vote) but with amount that he posts either he's taking a big gamble having so much attention on himself or he is town.
 

Palmer_v1

Member
You're both jumping pretty hard on CzarTim right now.

Just thought his argument had merit, and there were things he did yesterday that made me wonder. He's also done some things that seem pretty clearly town focused, though.

It's just in my nature to argue.
 

redhood56

Banned
I am fairly confident that czartim is a rebel. And on the whole worthy thing, it is very suspicious but I will wait for what zubz says.
 

eJawa

would probably like a hook in his jaw for that matter
I'm also inclined to belive Worthy, but conisdering how my choices went last time, that means he is most ceratinly a hutt! I'm using opposite george logic at this point...

Not really, but I probably mistrust my choices at this point, more than any of yours.
 

Makai

Member
Zubz only posted on first page, and never again. I think if we do vote someone that hasnt posted in a bit he's my first choice.

Hey guys! Sorry, I was just scavenging those sweet, sweet Tatooine Berries... Which apparently do not exist. Go figure. (I actually had a busy day all day, and was out last night when Matty sent the roles out).

Anyway, after catching up, I'm seeing a lot of hostility here over nothing. I'm personally a "No Need to Detain Day 1" kind of player, so unless someone's really standing out to me, I'm not going to jump on anyone. Not even Barrylocke

Based on the popular votes, I don't distrust Worthy, even with that nomination for me. I'll admit, Terrabyte seems like he's going off on his own agenda, but I don't think he's on the Empire side. Honestly, I'm cool with all of you right now. But yeah, I'm alive, I was just busy for the past 24 hours.

Unvote: Zubz

And there we have it. Not voting for anyone ATM.
Playing the long game, I see.
 

Zubz

Banned
Then this is it.

I am a Combat Buddy aligned with the Rebels. I have a role where a friend and I are allowed to discuss the game outside of the thread.

My partner is Zubz.

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You know it!

He basically has it covered. Combat Buddies have a Jedi Mindlink thing; we have a side-forum where we can discuss the game without trying to drop subtle hints to each other in the main thread. We basically questioned who we thought was suspicious there first before acting on it here, as well as strategies. I wanted to paint this as more of a Mason thing for "Keeping 2 Rebels safe" purposes, though, seeing how the (probably) one Rebel that could protect us is dead (Matty said that the other survives if one is detained, though; Edge nailed that). That was mentioned in the thread, if it's any consolation.

But yeah, Edge is a Rebel, and I can confirm this through our unbreakable, combat-forged bond!

My initial thought was that zubz was going after LoC hard so clearly needs looked at.
I considered his death might have been a vigilante/single use kill from zubz. But we lost 2 potential one-shot kill roles last night from LoC and Exmachinas blaster so what are the odds of having more town aligned 1 hit kills? So that would leave zubz as maybe a serial killer? but then that kill would only be drawing attention to himself, which wouldn't seem the smartest play.
So the second option is that the mob targeted him (either with a vote or a mobster with a 2nd kill skill) knowing that we would automatically have look at zubz; this gets into the same double bluffing area that ended me in the last game. Would the mafia make such an obvious move of killing someone that one of their own was so heavily rooting against and assume we would think that was too obvious? Or would they target him hoping we might turn against zubz despite that?
The third option is obviously a random kill from a third party other than zubz, a serial killer using the same logic as the mobster option above for example.

I genuinely thought Castamere was being suspicious; I'm just a Rebel Combat Buddy who went for who he thought was probably a Hutt (Sorry, LoC!). But I'll admit that I came in a little too hot on him. I could see someone trying to frame me by killing Castamere in the night, hoping people'd think I was a Hutt. I mean, I was the only person that voted on him, so it's not like they killed a popular vote like Edge to do get people suspicious of voters, and knowing what I am, it's not Options 1 or 2.0. You Hutt Scum are clever if that's what happened, I'll give you that.

And as for Blarg, that's pretty neat! I guess we have a Rebel that can share Hutt-sensing powers, or something? I'm going to assume that it simply says "X is a Rebel," but Blarg wants to use it as leverage.
 
That seems odd. It makes you have to tell us about it, but doesn't give you any usefull info right away. If that's the case, doesn't it just make you a hutt target? They know you have it now and will probably try to prevent you from using it.

Actually, it didn't force me to tell you at all. Someone made a request and I merely honoured it, a gesture of good and free will ;)

This message could have been from anyone.

A fellow Rebel? Likely.

A Hutt? Just as likely.

It could have even been from the 1 remaining Undercover Imperial, of which we now know there are 2 confirmed; the first having been the late swamped, of course, who was so recently blasted off-world.

The Hutts don't know who the last Undercover Imperial is, and vice versa. Thus, even if by publically revealing myself as a potential source of incriminating information and thus an apparently confirmed-to-be-Rebel threat to the Hutts, as I have just done by telling you all of the existence of this holoprojector message; they would be smart to not target me for one simple reason:

They haven't confirmed what I am.

I could be a Rebel; another Armorer, a doctor, a cop.

I could be a Hutt, in which case they would know if I was or wasn't anyway, now that I've spoken up.

I could just as easily be a third-party representative, an independent power to be swayed to either side's favour. I want to last as long as possible, that's what I want.

What if the one who messaged me was the last Undercover Imperial? What if this was their tentative opening salvo to negotiations of a possible Imperial deal, and I just happened to be the one who was hit? The loss of a secret ally is nothing to be sneezed at. Either side has everything to gain by keeping me alive as an informant. I have everything to gain by telling you all of this message's existence.

---

To the Hutts amongst us; would you risk killing me tonight, knowing that you're now potentially risking the loss of a third-party ally to the Imperials, if I had such a profession? The allegiance of the informant who contacted me was not stated. That's not a rhetorical question, feel free to respond :p

And to my fellow Rebels; would you risk detaining me today, knowing that you're now potentially risking a valuable trickle source of hit-list info conducive to the Alliance cause? And who else would bother typing up all this if not a wary Rebel? ;)


Are you willing to kill a wildcard just to simplify matters?



Ultimately, I informed you all of this holoprojector message solely for my own benefit.







Also, I believe Mr. Castamere shot first.
 
It could have even been from the 1 remaining Undercover Imperial, of which we now know there are 2 confirmed; the first having been the late swamped, of course, who was so recently blasted off-world.

Also, if this is the case, they could be feeding me false info in an attempt to manipulate you all into detaining their desired targets.

Thus, another reason why it's in your best interests for me to withhold this information and keep me alive until I can verify it.
 
*snip*

And as for Blarg, that's pretty neat! I guess we have a Rebel that can share Hutt-sensing powers, or something? I'm going to assume that it simply says "X is a Rebel," but Blarg wants to use it as leverage.

teehee

The message is more vague than that, but the other set of info I have is definitely not.
 
Also, if this is the case, they could be feeding me false info in an attempt to manipulate you all into detaining their desired targets.

Thus, another reason why it's in your best interests for me to withhold this information and keep me alive until I can verify it.

In addition to this point; what I have said above may seem like what I am doing is solely in the Rebels' favour; however, have you Hutts considered that through this informant's contact with me, it could potentially be in my power to verify who the secret Imperial is?

Think of the value of that, Hutts; knowing exactly who your Undercover Imperial is, told to you by me in the future via a secret codeword/phrase mentioned in this thread.

I could do that for you, if you keep my heart beating.


If I was an Imperial-lover, of course.
 
So you're role is that anything that happens to zubz or you at night happens to the other?

So now we ask ourselves if matty and kark big enough assholes to put the same game concept in both games. One hidden, one known.

This was even in the last game. Myself and el topo were "lovers", and used the external board to great effect. I don't like the fact that they role claimed it day 2, I do think it makes more sense for the hutts to take our guess work from us. 2 votes with town is dangerous to them, especially with the other forum. I find it a regions that worthy voted for zubz day 1. There is deflection, there is misdirection and then there is plain old not smart, not sure what you were going for there.

I feel terrible about exmachina, I would not have voted for him if he had not claimed mafia.

Here is a theory, each group of hutts have a kill. It would be something we are kept from in mattyG's death posts, and it would account for the two murders last night.

Personally, I feel relieved I made it a day, but frustrated with myself on how it went down yesterday. I probably should have unvoted, but that would have made me a hypocrite.
 
Just got all caught up. Sorry for leading the detain against exmachina64, no idea why he didn't role claim with nothing to lose.

I have some interesting information to post, but I think I'll wait until the next page.
 
Here is a theory, each group of hutts have a kill. It would be something we are kept from in mattyG's death posts, and it would account for the two murders last night.

From Swamped's Role PM

Your only power is voting, so you will need to work to a Hutt Mob victory by helping lynch town, and by managing to appear suspicious enough the Hutt Mob don't want to kill you by mistake while at the same time not appearing so suspicious that the Rebels lynch you!

That doesn't look to be the case and I'm sure MattyG will confirm it for us. We've probably got one Hutt kill and one neutral kill like the last game.
 

Palmer_v1

Member
Just got all caught up. Sorry for leading the detain against exmachina64, no idea why he didn't role claim with nothing to lose.

I have some interesting information to post, but I think I'll wait until the next page.

lol, I meant QunatumBro, not Ultron. Ultron's not even in this game.
 
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