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[QuantumBro]

I'm going to roleclaim right now and reveal myself as another Rebel Armourer. Since it's the exact same role as exmachina64, I'll just repost his role PM from earlier:

Welcome!

You are a Rebel Armourer.

You are aligned with the Rebel Alliance.

Once per night phase, you may send a blaster or a personal energy shield to one player. To do so, PM me the command BLASTER: MattyG or SHIELD: MattyG. The blaster may be used by the owner one time to kill another player, while the shield will protect the owner once from any form of death (aside from lynching). Players who have already received an item may not receive another.

You win when no remaining players are Hutt Mob-aligned.

So while everybody's thinking about who to detain today, I'd like to suggest another vote to determine who I'm going to send a gun to tonight. Vote by posting Gun: Name. Two caveats though, you can't vote for yourself, and you can't vote for me since I've already given myself an item.

Any questions I can answer about the role?

 

[Makai]

Why are you sending guns and not shields?

 

[Palmer_v1]

Why are you sending guns and not shields?

This.

 

[QuantumBro]

Why are you sending guns and not shields?

Good Question!

1. I'm only having gun as an option today, because that essentially turns the voting into voting for the person you trust the most with an item that could kill you. Having both as an option, or just the shield as an option would have everyone take it less seriously since it's only a shield. That doesn't mean I'm not willing to give away a shield at some point in the future if I'm still alive.

2. The shield isn't that great. It doesn't activate until the next night, so if I sent one out to someone who was going to be targeted for a kill, it wouldn't help them.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

You know it!

He basically has it covered. Combat Buddies have a Jedi Mindlink thing; we have a side-forum where we can discuss the game without trying to drop subtle hints to each other in the main thread. We basically questioned who we thought was suspicious there first before acting on it here, as well as strategies. I wanted to paint this as more of a Mason thing for "Keeping 2 Rebels safe" purposes, though, seeing how the (probably) one Rebel that could protect us is dead (Matty said that the other survives if one is detained, though; Edge nailed that). That was mentioned in the thread, if it's any consolation.

But yeah, Edge is a Rebel, and I can confirm this through our unbreakable, combat-forged bond!

Combat Buddies ftw! Sorry for not posting a lot. Just went to Houston Comicon. Or...uh...Tatooine...

 

[AbsolutBro]

That is suspicious but what's even more suspicious is this:

You're both jumping pretty hard on CzarTim right now.

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Fair enough. Especially on day 1 with no info to go on. I was just rereading the thread and noticed those two posts is all.

One post saying "hey, this is suspicious", that Czar even admits is suspicious. Then I admit he has a point and it's over.

This is "jumping pretty hard" on someone? You seem a little defensive there Setre...

 

[Palmer_v1]

Are the guns night time kills or daytime kills?

 

[Makai]

Are the guns night time kills or daytime kills?

swamped had a blaster wound.

 

[QuantumBro]

Are the guns night time kills or daytime kills?

They can only be used during the night, but can't be used the night they are received.

 

[redhood56]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I won't be able to post at all on Saturday, I will be at a wedding so I'm not trying to look suspicious.

 

[Makai]

2. The shield isn't that great. It doesn't activate until the next night, so if I sent one out to someone who was going to be targeted for a kill, it wouldn't help them.

Same goes for the gun, right?

 

[QuantumBro]

Same goes for the gun, right?

Yep.

 

[Palmer_v1]

swamped had a blaster wound.

Death descriptions may just be fluff. They were last game.

 

[AbsolutBro]

swamped had a blaster wound.

Couldn't have been someone using an armorer item. Exmac and Quantum were/are the two armorers. Exmac didn't get to use his ability and Quantum said he made himself a shield. I think it most likely that LoC killed Swamped with his one-time-kill ability; he seemed to be suspicious of her from the outset, or at least when she didn't quite-but-kind-of-did defend herself.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Quantum, are you going to pick the number 1 person or use a random roll between the top two?

I ask because mafia may chose to always kill the person you send a gun to.

My gut tells me to send it to worthy of Palmer, so I'll go with history.

Gunalmer_v1

No clue on who I want to vote for, maybe seeing how this gun thing works out will influence it.

 

[johnnyquicknives]

Man, If we have 2 armourers (we know about) thats a lot of powerful weapons and defences that might have been flying around the rebels. It makes me think that its more likely that the mafia will have the ability to kill more than one person per night (or maybe have their own armourer roles to level the balance).

I'll need to have a think about the gun voting. I'm wary that having a lot of roles and perks out in the open is going to make it more difficult for us to defend some key players through the night phases.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Quantum, are you going to pick the number 1 person or use a random roll between the top two?

I ask because mafia may chose to always kill the person you send a gun to.

My gut tells me to send it to worthy of Palmer, so I'll go with history.

Gunalmer_v1

No clue on who I want to vote for, maybe seeing how this gun thing works out will influence it.

I don't trust Palmer. At all.

 

[QuantumBro]

Quantum, are you going to pick the number 1 person or use a random roll between the top two?

If there's a clear winner, the gun will go to them. If there's a tie I'll do a random roll and announce the winner's name. I'm hoping the doc protects them, since I've got a shield and I'm not too worried about the Hutt killing me this early.

 

[Makai]

Man, If we have 2 armourers (we know about) thats a lot of powerful weapons and defences that might have been flying around the rebels. It makes me think that its more likely that the mafia will have the ability to kill more than one person per night (or maybe have their own armourer roles to level the balance).

I'll need to have a think about the gun voting. I'm wary that having a lot of roles and perks out in the open is going to make it more difficult for us to defend some key players through the night phases.

It seems insane. Mafia would be neutered by shields pretty quickly. I'm guessing Quantum's actual role is a "backup' armorer that can act if the first armorer dies.

 

[Setre]

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One post saying "hey, this is suspicious", that Czar even admits is suspicious. Then I admit he has a point and it's over.

This is "jumping pretty hard" on someone? You seem a little defensive there Setre...

Just saying it seemed odd as soon as you pointed it out raindoc jumped in and gave support.

 

[johnnyquicknives]

If there's a clear winner, the gun will go to them. If there's a tie I'll do a random roll and announce the winner's name. I'm hoping the doc protects them, since I've got a shield and I'm not too worried about the Hutt killing me this early.

At this point I still think we need to be wary about the mafia being able to double tap players if they have multiple kills.
That said I do really like the way your gun vote flips the normal vote thinking. It's gonna be another interesting day.

 

[QuantumBro]

I don't trust Palmer. At all.

And now the fun begins.

It seems insane. Mafia would be neutered by shields pretty quickly. I'm guessing Quantum's actual role is a "backup' armorer that can act if the first armorer dies.

It's not.

Spoiler

Or maybe that's the real reason I led the lynch against exmachina64 yesterday, hahahah.

 

[johnnyquicknives]

It seems insane. Mafia would be neutered by shields pretty quickly. I'm guessing Quantum's actual role is a "backup' armorer that can act if the first armorer dies.

Thats not a bad call actually.

Also, I've had no need to be suspicious of QuantumBro so far, but how comfortable are we that he isn't an imperial armourer who is willing to give out a gun to the rebels in a trust building mission?

 

[Makai]

What are the chances Quantum is actually an Imperial Armorer? That can't be true, right? I refuse to believe MattyG made the roles this crazy. :|

That would explain why he wants to distribute guns instead of shields, at least. Quantum, please elaborate, because it seems like the wrong move to me.

 

[TheWorthyEdge]

Can someone give me a reason not to vote for Palmer? Like, everything he's done points to being a Hutt IMO.

 

[johnnyquicknives]

What are the chances Quantum is actually an Imperial Armorer? That can't be true, right? I refuse to believe MattyG made the roles this crazy. :|

That would explain why he wants to distribute guns instead of shields, at least. Quantum, please elaborate, because it seems like the wrong move to me.

 

[johnnyquicknives]

the post I made at the same time was also meant to be quoted there, and the image was meant to be less stretched and messy. oh well.

 

[QuantumBro]

Thats not a bad call actually.

Also, I've had no need to be suspicious of QuantumBro so far, but how comfortable are we that he isn't an imperial armourer who is willing to give out a gun to the rebels in a trust building mission?

Well considering I didn't even get a single vote on day 1, you'd think I'd wait a bit to role claim if I was Hutt instead of going all out at the start of day 2. Especially when the Hutt just lost one of their teammates.

What are the chances Quantum is actually an Imperial Armorer? That can't be true, right? I refuse to believe MattyG made the roles this crazy. :|

That would explain why he wants to distribute guns instead of shields, at least. Quantum, please elaborate, because it seems like the wrong move to me.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=165051408&postcount=904

 

[Palmer_v1]

For now, Gun: Zubz

The only two people in the game we can sort of trust are TWE and Zubz. Of the two, I trust Zubz to make a better decision than TWE would. He barely missed getting lynched on Day 1, as a confirmable role. Hopefully it's just new player jitters, but I can't really trust any power in his hands right now.

 

[johnnyquicknives]

Well considering I didn't even get a single vote on day 1, you'd think I'd wait a bit to role claim if I was Hutt instead of going all out at the start of day 2. Especially when the Hutt just lost one of their teammates.

I don't think this is a very good reason. Doing it this way stops it looking like a last ditch effort, like if you were about to be detained and pulled this it would look incredibly suspicious. By making the move now you can really try and embed yourself as a Rebel.

With that said I am leaning towards trusting you, partly because you felt like you were on the right side yesterday and also because, unless the shields don't protect against detainment, it a much more powerful role for the mafia who know who (some) of their teammates are. In 4/5 nights everyone could be shielded.

 

[Makai]

Quantum, we should protect our power roles, not fire blindly in the dark.

 

[Makai]

Give valuable people shields and don't reveal who you choose. By publicly electing someone to receive a weapon you are electing someone to be killed by the Hutts.

 

[Makai]

I don't think this is a very good reason. Doing it this way stops it looking like a last ditch effort, like if you were about to be detained and pulled this it would look incredibly suspicious. By making the move now you can really try and embed yourself as a Rebel.

With that said I am leaning towards trusting you, partly because you felt like you were on the right side yesterday and also because, unless the shields don't protect against detainment, it a much more powerful role for the mafia who know who (some) of their teammates are. In 4/5 nights everyone could be shielded.

Shields do not protect from detainment according to the role PM.

 

[CzarTim]

QB who did you gun / shield last night? Can they confirm maybe?

 

[Palmer_v1]

QB who did you gun / shield last night? Can they confirm maybe?

He shielded himself.

 

[CzarTim]

QB who did you gun / shield last night? Can they confirm maybe?

I suck at reading. You made yourself a shield.

gun: truabe

 

[QuantumBro]

For now, Gun: Zubz

The only two people in the game we can sort of trust are TWE and Zubz. Of the two, I trust Zubz to make a better decision than TWE would. He barely missed getting lynched on Day 1, as a confirmable role. Hopefully it's just new player jitters, but I can't really trust any power in his hands right now.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if one of the combat buddies dies, they both do. I don't see them living through the night.
BTW, underline your vote to make it count.

I don't think this is a very good reason. Doing it this way stops it looking like a last ditch effort, like if you were about to be detained and pulled this it would look incredibly suspicious. By making the move now you can really try and embed yourself as a Rebel.

With that said I am leaning towards trusting you, partly because you felt like you were on the right side yesterday and also because, unless the shields don't protect against detainment, it a much more powerful role for the mafia who know who (some) of their teammates are. In 4/5 nights everyone could be shielded.

Well I don't see why you're having trouble trusting me today, I'm giving away a gun to whoever the people choose to give it to. If tomorrow comes and it turns out I lied, then sure I'm not trustworthy and should be detained. But for now, I don't know what else I can do to get you to trust me.

Quantum, we should protect our power roles, not fire blindly in the dark.

Like my good friends in a galaxy far far away, the Rebublicans, say: Guns don't kill people, bad people with guns kill people. I'm giving everyone a chance to vote for who gets the gun. That person can't use it until tomorrow night, and hell doesn't even have to use it. And if it gets used, you know who used it. How is that like blindly firing in the dark.

And once again, I'm using a gun instead of a shield, because giving a gun to a Hutt is much worse than giving a shield to a Hutt, so people are forced to take this voting seriously. We can change to a shield tomorrow, I want to see where everyone stands today.

 

[QuantumBro]

Yeah, I shielded myself. It's the main reason I'm being open about my role today.

 

[CzarTim]

Like how powerful are these hutts for us to have to armorers and a vig? And the fact that the hutts are split seems like they are underpowered?

I'm wondering if the main hutts are immune to night kills to balance it out? So we have to decide if they're shielded or immune?

Just spitballing, but cool setup if so.

 

[johnnyquicknives]

Shields do not protect from detainment according to the role PM.

Cheers, I totally missed that, I also missed the fact that players can only ever receive one item. I still do think that it feels a more overpowered in the hands of the Hutt, but with far fewer possible uses and the shields only protecting against night actions it no longer feels too overpowered.

I was presuming Quantum was planning to re-shield himself as required, but the fact that he can't do that makes this a ballsy move for a rebel to make, and I'm not convinced it would be a good one. How many more defensive roles are we honestly likely to have?

Anyway for now I think Terra is probably still my most trusted player so.
Gun: Terrabyte20xx

 

[CzarTim]

I'd gun terra as well.

 

[CzarTim]

Also even if it turns out LoC didn't shoot swamped, can we all make a pact to start an urban legend that he did?

 

[johnnyquicknives]

Well I don't see why you're having trouble trusting me today, I'm giving away a gun to whoever the people choose to give it to. If tomorrow comes and it turns out I lied, then sure I'm not trustworthy and should be detained. But for now, I don't know what else I can do to get you to trust me.

First my concern isn't that you are lying and won't give the gun, it's that you are actually an Imperial Armourer but will give the gun to a Rebel to 'prove' you are also a rebel.

Like you say, you were already one of the more trustworthy players both in my opinion and based on the lack of votes. That makes me wonder why you want to reveal yourself at this point? I think the gun vote is an interesting twist but if I was a rebel armourer I don't know if I'd be risking it on day 2, even with an extra life.

 

[QuantumBro]

First my concern isn't that you are lying and won't give the gun, it's that you are actually an Imperial Armourer but will give the gun to a Rebel to 'prove' you are also a rebel.

Like you say, you were already one of the more trustworthy players both in my opinion and based on the lack of votes. That makes me wonder why you want to reveal yourself at this point? I think the gun vote is an interesting twist but if I was a rebel armourer I don't know if I'd be risking it on day 2, even with an extra life.

If I was just going to hide my true identity and pretend to be someone else, I would've given myself a gun so I could've used it on myself tonight.

Actually, maybe I should've done done that.

In all seriousness, with a vest I figure I got two night ahead of me if I'm unlucky. I'm okay dying so that the camp gets some information.

 

[QuantumBro]

And also, in the last game I lasted quite a while after I revealed that I was a magician, so I'm foolishly brave.

 

[Blargonaut]

Quantum, if you really are what you say you are, I'd like to put myself forward as a potential candidate to gift your blaster to, if you'd all vote me for it.

I'm an unknown quantity just like the rest of you; but, I'm a vocal, open, proven sharer with tangible information to potentially act upon. You may not all know what is it yet and how I'll use it, but honestly I'm in a better, more well-informed firing position than anyone else here and you all know it.

Tell me, why would you trust the silent uninformed here with the touch of death?

☆ VOTE BLARGONAUT FOR ARMING ☆

 

[Terrabyte20xx]

Quantum was already looking pretty rebel to me, so this seems to make it more so. But in mafia the only confirmed rebel is a dead one, so keep that in mind.

As for the gun:

Gun:jonnyquickknives

He's probably the most rebel to me at the moment... Well actually Blarg is, but he doesn't need a bigger target then he already has.

 

[johnnyquicknives]

If I was just going to hide my true identity and pretend to be someone else, I would've given myself a gun so I could've used it on myself tonight.

In all seriousness, with a vest I figure I got two night ahead of me if I'm unlucky. I'm okay dying so that the camp gets some information.

You might be OK dying to give us information but I'm not OK with you dying and losing us a second Rebel Armourer!

Right now, obviously with an incomplete role set, we look pretty damn OP (obviously not really since we locked up exmachina - seriously we should probably be assigning someone to look for the keys about now - but we should be really strong).

In my eyes that leaves two possible outcomes. You are lying and we aren't all that OP or the mobsters are more powerful than we would have expected. That could simply manifest as there being more of them (say 4 regular + 2 spies), or they could have multiple kill roles (we did lose 2 players last night, and swamped could easily have been a fuckup on their end).

Knowing this I'm just not convinced revealing yourself this early helps us in the long run; even if we get some decent info. But hey maybe a third armourer will pop up tomorrow.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Quantum was already looking pretty rebel to me, so this seems to make it more so. But in mafia the only confirmed rebel is a dead one, so keep that in mind.

As for the gun:

Gun:jonnyquickknives

He's probably the most rebel to me at the moment... Well actually Blarg is, but he doesn't need a bigger target then he already has.

Gun:jonnyquickknives

Actually, I support this vote for one reason!

He didn't get to shoot someone last game.

 

[QuantumBro]

You might be OK dying to give us information but I'm not OK with you dying and losing us a second Rebel Armourer!

Right now, obviously with an incomplete role set, we look pretty damn OP (obviously not really since we locked up exmachina - seriously we should probably be assigning someone to look for the keys about now - but we should be really strong).

In my eyes that leaves two possible outcomes. You are lying and we aren't all that OP or the mobsters are more powerful than we would have expected. That could simply manifest as there being more of them (say 4 regular + 2 spies), or they could have multiple kill roles (we did lose 2 players last night, and swamped could easily have been a fuckup on their end).

Knowing this I'm just not convinced revealing yourself this early helps us in the long run; even if we get some decent info. But hey maybe a third armourer will pop up tomorrow.

I agree with you, revealing myself like I've done right here would be quite foolish if I didn't have a trick up my sleeve.