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RAMADAN 2013 thread of 18 hour fasts | Eid Mubarak!

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Kenka

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I wonder if scholars will ever get together and discuss such things. The ~20 hour days must be so difficult. Once you go to sleep it's already time to wake up and fast again.

You would barely have time to even digest the food.
Most waves of immigration in Northern countries have started after the 70's so the topic is quite new all things considered. It would be interesting to see how moslems from the North will propose to move forward. I don't think it must be a penalty to live in higher latitudes when it comes to Ramadan, since there is no reason to think one should fast harder in one location on Earth than on another. Fasting one entire month around midsommaren above 60°N is brutal and is not efficient in teaching you taqwa. Honestly, fasting around like a dick feels plainly stupid. I hated Ramadan in Sweden, simply put.

Surprised at the lack of Samosa pics in this thread so far.
You shall be heard you holy brother:

samosa-hut-and-grill-1.jpg

samosa_600x450.jpg


Damn, I am hungry now.
 

vareon

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Most waves of immigration in Northern countries have started after the 70's so the topic is quite new all things considered. It would be interesting to see how moslems from the North will propose to move forward. I don't think it must be a penalty to live in higher latitudes when it comes to Ramadan, since there is no reason to think one should fast harder in one location on Earth than on another. Fasting one entire month around midsommaren above 60°N is brutal and is not efficient in teaching you taqwa. Honestly, fasting around like a dick feels plainly stupid. I hated Ramadan in Sweden, simply put.


You shall be heard you holy brother:

samosa-hut-and-grill-1.jpg

samosa_600x450.jpg


Damn, I am hungry now.

So that's what they are called in other countries. We call them pastel.
 

Kenka

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So that's what they are called in other countries. We call them pastel.
Wow, each time I read this word, I can't help but recall the smell of bacalhau.
Temperature is averaging at 25°C so far. It's surprisingly pleasant. I hope the rest of the day will feel just as right.
 

Sigmaah

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I have no trouble when it comes to not eating but the thirst is the hardest part for me, I think fast breaks around 8:30-9:00 for me. ill be working during that time so I hope it ain't that bad.
 
@effzee

Calculations are hardly a new thing. They've been used for centuries. Remember, the Arabs were great mathematicians and they could have created a precalculated calendar but they did not as it was against the established sunnah of the Prophet PBUH.

A saheeh hadeeth specifically commands us to fast when we see the moon of Ramadhan and to leave fasting when we see the moon for Shawwal. Also, historically, even those scholars of the past that allowed calculations NEVER allowed it to supersede sighting by the eye.

Furthermore, modern technology actually goes AGAINST calculations. Why? Because with modern communications technology, we can determine whether the moon was seen anywhere on the planet by simple ringing up someone on the other side of the planet and asking them to look outside.

Your analogy of precalculated prayer times is incorrect. Why? Because the only reason that the preset prayer times exist is due to their consistency. If due to some miracle, Maghrib time is delayed by 20 minutes (i.e. the sun sets 20 minutes later), we will drop precalculated times for the actual time. The moon was not sighted anywhere in North America, despite ISNA and others claiming that it could be seen.

And there is another hadeeth that says that if the moon is not sighted due to poor visibility conditions on the 29th night of Ramadhan, then we should keep the fast for the full 30 days. This shows us that even if there actually WAS a new moon on the 29th, visibility would trump it.

The answer is clear with regards to whether calculations should be taken over visibility accounts. Calculations should only be used to strengthen visual moon sighting, not contradict it.
 
Complex carbohydrates are foods that will help release
energy slowly during the long hours of fasting. Complex
carbohydrates are found in grains and seeds, like barley,
wheat, oats, millets, semolina, beans, lentils, wholemeal
flour, basmati rice, etc.
Fibre-rich foods are also digested slowly and include
bran, cereals, whole wheat, grains and seeds, potatoes
with the skin, vegetables such as green beans and
almost all fruit, including apricots, prunes, figs, etc.

So, anyone testing these complex carbs and fibre-rich stuff out?

If they're slow-release and long-lasting, I'd like to eat some stuff that'll last me the day. Usually, if I have chicken or some saalan stuff, it's already been digested by the time I go to sleep after fajr prayer and I feel empty by midday.
 

F#A#Oo

Banned
So, anyone testing these complex carbs and fibre-rich stuff out?

If they're slow-release and long-lasting, I'd like to eat some stuff that'll last me the day. Usually, if I have chicken or some saalan stuff, it's already been digested by the time I go to sleep after fajr prayer and I feel empty by midday.

It does work. I personally also feel less fatigued/tired too.

If you're buying cereal you have to get the one that is what it is. When you look at the ingredient section it should be just 100% wheat, oats etc if you see other stuff listed then it's rubbish.

Semolina is good too but only if you got the time to make stuff with it.

For Suhoor I had a bowl of oats pre-soaked in milk so it's really fluffy and textured when I heat it. Topped with honey and diced fresh dates. I sometimes add seeds etc but then it literally becomes a meal.

It will keep me going till 9:15 tonight.
 
It does work. I personally also feel less fatigued/tired too.

If you're buying cereal you have to get the one that is what it is. When you look at the ingredient section it should be just 100% wheat, oats etc if you see other stuff listed then it's rubbish.

Got it, 100% wheat and some oats.

I've heard spicy and fried foods from this BBC article on Ramadan say they're not good because of the acid, but can be balanced with fruits/veggies/bread to reduce the acid buildup. So I guess none of that for sahur.

Good thing I don't drink tea/coffee/coke :p
 

Ushae

Banned
Most waves of immigration in Northern countries have started after the 70's so the topic is quite new all things considered. It would be interesting to see how moslems from the North will propose to move forward. I don't think it must be a penalty to live in higher latitudes when it comes to Ramadan, since there is no reason to think one should fast harder in one location on Earth than on another. Fasting one entire month around midsommaren above 60°N is brutal and is not efficient in teaching you taqwa. Honestly, fasting around like a dick feels plainly stupid. I hated Ramadan in Sweden, simply put.


You shall be heard you holy brother:

samosa-hut-and-grill-1.jpg

samosa_600x450.jpg


Damn, I am hungry now.

Oh man those pics are making me hungry at work now :(
 
Most waves of immigration in Northern countries have started after the 70's so the topic is quite new all things considered. It would be interesting to see how moslems from the North will propose to move forward. I don't think it must be a penalty to live in higher latitudes when it comes to Ramadan, since there is no reason to think one should fast harder in one location on Earth than on another. Fasting one entire month around midsommaren above 60°N is brutal and is not efficient in teaching you taqwa. Honestly, fasting around like a dick feels plainly stupid. I hated Ramadan in Sweden, simply put.
See, that's the thing. IIRC some scholars have made exceptions to the rule because of that, but these locations technically still have days that fit within 24 hours. Fasting isn't supposed to hurt you though, surely having EXTREME fragmented sleeping and essentially 1 time to eat per day isn't healthy. Even the prophet suggested 2 meals per day (breakfast / dinner). But binge eating at night to compensate for the absolute lack of food, and going to bed with a full stomach seem like things that go against our teachings.

It should really be addressed.
 

user1337

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Ramadan Mubarak to you all!

Just over 2 hours to go here in the UK lads and ladettes...keep it up!

Usually the first day is the most difficult, and then you kind of get into a habbit and you dont really feel it any more.

I really need to try to NOT over eat when breaking the fast. Its so difficult with all that food though lol.
 
Its 1pm so of course its headache time.

I feel you brother!

Question;

Smoking of any type is not allowed correct? Such as E-cigarettes?

Most schools of thought disallow it during fasting. You aren't supposed to succumb to any cravings during fasting. Not only food and water, but sex, and even smoking. It's not the smoke that people are addicted to, it's the nicotine. So E-Cigs wouldn't be allowed.

It's crazy. When it's time for Iftar, I see people literally run outside to smoke before it's time for prayer.
 

Tizoc

Member
Where is 'here' if don't my asking?

I have a thing for language. :p




Kidney stones are serious business. It is not my place to advise, but I guess, you're old enough to know best.

Ooops my bad, I'm from Oman =)

That Istanbul image was amazing, wow...
 

liger05

Member
Alhamdulillah day 1 was good for me. Had a few hungry phases but the feeling soon passed. A brother managed to sort out a prayer room at work and for the first time I lead a prayer with two brothers. Felt so nervous as I know my Arabic pronunciation must be so sloppy but got through it.
 

Zapages

Member
about an 1 hour to go... It wasn't bad today... Tomorrow is going to be more difficult as I will have to teach from 2:30 to 5:30 pm. :\
 
Going to start dieting this month. Great excuse to not eat a lot. I am making a list of things to do this month, and my schedule will most likely be the same on weekdays, with slight differences on weekends.

Any healthy recommendations on what to add to the list? I am planning to eat at 3am, 9pm and midnight.

P.S. All I ate in the morning was 5 or so slices of cantaloupe (only because I didn't prepare anything in the morning!). So far, so good!
 
Ramadhan mubarak my brothers. First one for me today in US as I followed the moon sighting.

@effzee

Calculations are hardly a new thing. They've been used for centuries. Remember, the Arabs were great mathematicians and they could have created a precalculated calendar but they did not as it was against the established sunnah of the Prophet PBUH.

A saheeh hadeeth specifically commands us to fast when we see the moon of Ramadhan and to leave fasting when we see the moon for Shawwal. Also, historically, even those scholars of the past that allowed calculations NEVER allowed it to supersede sighting by the eye.

Furthermore, modern technology actually goes AGAINST calculations. Why? Because with modern communications technology, we can determine whether the moon was seen anywhere on the planet by simple ringing up someone on the other side of the planet and asking them to look outside.

Your analogy of precalculated prayer times is incorrect. Why? Because the only reason that the preset prayer times exist is due to their consistency. If due to some miracle, Maghrib time is delayed by 20 minutes (i.e. the sun sets 20 minutes later), we will drop precalculated times for the actual time. The moon was not sighted anywhere in North America, despite ISNA and others claiming that it could be seen.

And there is another hadeeth that says that if the moon is not sighted due to poor visibility conditions on the 29th night of Ramadhan, then we should keep the fast for the full 30 days. This shows us that even if there actually WAS a new moon on the 29th, visibility would trump it.

The answer is clear with regards to whether calculations should be taken over visibility accounts. Calculations should only be used to strengthen visual moon sighting, not contradict it.

Thank you for this. I wish muslims would stick to the sunnah of the Prophet and we would have more unity.
 
P.S. All I ate in the morning was 5 or so slices of cantaloupe (only because I didn't prepare anything in the morning!). So far, so good!
Man, thread title should be changed to Survivor Mode in light of this.

About 40 mins to go and I'm completely spent. My work took all of my energy even though I sit in an airconditioned room in front of a PC. Gonna be tough 30 days.
 
Central and Eastern US GAF probably passed out from the exhaustion haha

Wow what a day. bigbosssalute to those who still get up and pray all the taraweeh. Unfortunately I won't be able to do them except Fridays and Saturdays.

^^ kobe24, the Samosas look good, and I can tell they're vegetarian!
 
Overall not a bad day. Really started feeling it about an hour before I could break the fast but I managed.

If anyone else works out like me I suggest going right after sehri rather than after Iftar. Feels much better.
 

cdkee

Banned
Overall not a bad day. Really started feeling it about an hour before I could break the fast but I managed.

If anyone else works out like me I suggest going right after sehri rather than after Iftar. Feels much better.

Never heard of anyone going after suhoor. I've read some articles on people going about 2 hrs before iftar, that way your body absorbs all the food you eat immediately after. This is modeled after the intermittent fasting routine even non-Muslims perform.

The other is going after Tarawih.
 

Ashes

Banned
Ramadan is all mental not physical.

Ramadan is as much about mental exertion as anything. But it's not only mental. Nor only the physical. but the spiritual too.

For example it's one thing seeing poor people, and a second thing experiencing their hunger.

For an example of the way one changes the way one normal thinks, how about not thinking sexually about woman passing by, treating them with the respect and dignity one gives to one's family, by thinking of them as sisters, mothers, aunties. grandmothers etc. Not reducing a women to her tits, but lowering your gaze etc.

However, the fact that one fasts for their god, is something, that cannot be replicated, honestly, by non-believers. They may replicate the first example, and the second, but the third is out of reach.
 

Kisaya

Member
So that's what they are called in other countries. We call them pastel.

My family calls them sambusa but I always have to refer to them as samosas to everyone else :/

Anyway, first day was alright. Manager called me to come in early which was annoying but I got through the day (although I missed Maghrib with the fam, had to break my fast at work). Really isn't that bad, just gotta work on eating before the fast starts again.
 

Lamel

Banned
Clocking in at Sehri, not so bad. I am having trouble getting hungry at this time though, so I don't eat much :(

I worked out 2 days ago and I am feeling the results of the fast, my muscles remain sore, which hardly happens.
 
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