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Xboxone Resolutiongate (Eurogamer)

Averon

Member
thought this comment on GB was spot on
http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/bombin-the-a-m-with-scoops-and-the-wolf-11-01-2013/2300-8147/
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This is after Patrick said it wasn't worth a news story because he doesn't care because he doesn't have a 1080p set, along with Brad saying "normal" customers don't care (well, who exactly is GB targeting?).

Great post and great summary of the events this past year. The press has either ridiculed or ignored every pressing issue gamers brought up about these next-gen consoles this year. The gaming press has been absolutely horrible reporting these consoles and expressing their readers' concerns.

This past has really shed light on how the gaming pressing truly thinks about their readership and whose pockets they're under.
 

Skeff

Member
Speaking of media outlets being disingenuous regarding the differences and the ability of the internet to show these double standards it reminds me of the Ars technica article, which was fantastically described by quoting the authors previous articles as well as some other articles on Ars technica.

When you write the difference between 720 and 1080 isn't much with an article history including calling a 1280x800 OR muddy and low res and calling the 1080p version crystal clear as well as complaining about the upscaling of 544p VitaTV games to 720p meaning it was certain to fail as it would look horrible upscaled that much, your going to end up destroyed by your own words.
 

rjinaz

Member
I think it's pretty obvious that there is a widespread xbox preference in the western media. Now I don't know why they're like that, I seriously doubt MS has the majority of the media paid off, but I don't know how you could argue there's not a strong preference when you add up all the bullshit like this from all of the major outlets over the course of the generation.

Maybe it's simply that Microsoft treats the press better than Sony. It seems to me, in my limited experience, that Sony tends to take a seat back. Microsoft is an American company and may be more inviting to the American Press.

It does go to show how broken the video gaming press is though. It is a system in which the press relies on the video game companies for access, so they generally do not want to ruffle any feathers. Kind of makes the whole thing pointless really.
 
I think it's pretty obvious that there is a widespread xbox preference in the western media. Now I don't know why they're like that, I seriously doubt MS has the majority of the media paid off, but I don't know how you could argue there's not a strong preference when you add up all the bullshit like this from all of the major outlets over the course of the generation.

many are still longingly remembering the days of 2005-2008 when handsome Allard-senpai took them in his strong arms and showed them a warm inviting future full of hd content, western leadership, and connected online functionality... p-perhaps we can share a bento after our monthly interview~?


i forget which journalist it was that stated relatively recently that the 360 was THE console of the generation (okay, you could argue that) and that the PS3 ended up selling almost just as much worldwide was just some meaningless numbers that only fanboys could care about (wait what)
 
I think it's pretty obvious that there is a widespread xbox preference in the western media. Now I don't know why they're like that, I seriously doubt MS has the majority of the media paid off, but I don't know how you could argue there's not a strong preference when you add up all the bullshit like this from all of the major outlets over the course of the generation.

Finally, someone has just come out and said it in plain language.

This is exactly the simplest explanation for all of this.

I'm not exactly sure why these journalist, who get everything for free, would be such brand loyalists.

It's likely they have a strong preference for the type of content found on MS consoles, which is fine.

I suppose that it was just convenient last generation that the Xbox 360 was, in fact, the better console overall, from a technology standpoint and otherwise.

That shouldn't mean that they are let off the hook, though, as they let on to be objective journalists.

It's good that people are openly calling them out on it.
 

Skilletor

Member
I sometimes feel like I'm in bizarro world where so many people keep saying that the DRM doesn't matter because it was reversed, that the price doesn't matter because 360 was so popular and people will go where their friends are, that the power doesn't matter because people can't tell... And yet every single piece of information we have points to the ps4 being far more popular a product than the Xb1. So, if these reasons don't matter, why the discrepancy? Lol. Apparently it will all go away come launch and the Xb1 will miraculously become the more popular product despite months and months of it being exactly the opposite.

I just don't get it.
 
I think it's pretty obvious that there is a widespread xbox preference in the western media. Now I don't know why they're like that, I seriously doubt MS has the majority of the media paid off, but I don't know how you could argue there's not a strong preference when you add up all the bullshit like this from all of the major outlets over the course of the generation.

Many journalists in recent weeks/months have admitted to preferring the 360 during the current-gen. Sessler, the guys at Game Informer almost all play on the 360, and recent there was that Videogamer.com article. I remember during the whole Skyrim fiasco someone mentioned that Jeff from Weekend Confirmed said that he didn't care that the PS3 version was screwed because he was playing it on the 360.
 

Ysiadmihi

Banned
thought this comment on GB was spot on
http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/bombin-the-a-m-with-scoops-and-the-wolf-11-01-2013/2300-8147/
kmT6UKX.png


This is after Patrick said it wasn't worth a news story because he doesn't care because he doesn't have a 1080p set, along with Brad saying "normal" customers don't care (well, who exactly is GB targeting?).

I decided to listen to the stream in the link and couldn't believe how they were pussy-footing around saying the PS4 is more powerful.
 

Skeff

Member
I wish GAF could do interviews with these journalists, we could use trick questions like:

What made the xbox 360 the go to console this generation?

Now that all of those advantages are in favor of the PS4 this time, why are you getting an XB1?

It would be fun watching them squirm.
 

ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
Thanks to my AVR, even my freakin' N64 outputs 1080p....

This nonsense is just borderline consumer deception. This is the sort of crap that makes me feel awkward about my XBO preorder.
 

Metfanant

Member
Thanks to my AVR, even my freakin' N64 outputs 1080p....

This nonsense is just borderline consumer deception. This is the sort of crap that makes me feel awkward about my XBO preorder.

why even bother with the AVR?...all you need to do is hook it up to a 1080p TV and youre going to see 1080p...you could be using a PS3 and composite cables and youre SEEING 1080p...
 
Looks like Aaron Greenberg is one of the idiots. Do these people ever tell the truth?

That would require an exec associated with the xbox to have some degree of integrity. At this point not saying anything would be better than the shit Pennello, Greenberg, and others have put out there.
 

Jabba

Banned
There is a general uncomfortable feeling, similar to pressing on the whites on your fingernails, when you witness somebody arguing against reality. The topic doesn't actually matter that much.

This is a good bingo. I've done this on a few occasions. Sick to my stomach afterwards.


No fucking way Greenberg gets away with that if it's me.
 

rjinaz

Member
Well at least he agreed in the same conversation that 720 should be avoided. He said "totally". Maybe there is hope after all? But seriously, stop with the disingenuous talk Microsoft.
 
Someone should make a new thread for this groundbreaking news that all XB1 games will be output in 1080p.
Don't.

What a clown. This bullshit is pissing me off, and I'm getting an XB1 (though every day I get closer to that cancel button). I like your games, MS; I'm not mentally retarded. Don't treat me like I am.
 
I understand you're still spinning your wheels trying desperately to find some way to excuse your company of choice's behavior, but literally every single point of yours in this post is nonsense. Every single one. Usually a single point may be wrong, or someone is just misguided here and there. For you? Every single point is absurd.

Where to even fucking begin. Christ. I'll have to number your "points" because they're each more entertaining than the last and I think they all deserve special attention.

1. As has been said, a "smart" company plays to their strengths, not their weaknesses. Sony has won the power war. It's not up for dispute. And they won it at a $100 cheaper price (no one cares about Kinect until they justify it with actual compelling games; quaint conveniences != +$100, and you can control PS4's UI with your voice using the included headset). Every developer who has gone on record has said the PS4 is easier to develop for, has significantly more power, has way more mature tools.

Microsoft's STRENGTHS when they were designing their "all-in-one-entertainment" device was a system designed around multimedia capabilities and Kinect. That they seem so woefully unprepared to even have a compelling argument to support Kinect until next year (first flagship is coming Spring 2014) is a problem that should never have happened. A company in their position would have recognized their core goals, utilized those strengths to put distance between them and the competition and settled on a path that took them away from revealing just how inferior their system tech was. Instead, they attempted to face the problem head on by posting many articles trying to diminish the PS4's power whilst trying to exaggerate the benefits of XBO's. I'll cover this more in another point, since you actually believe Microsoft misled nobody.

2. Technically, if Microsoft would have released a system exactly as powerful as the Wii U it would have been the "most powerful console they have ever made." This is the most ridiculous non-statement ever in history. It says literally less than nothing about the system you're trying to defend. Try harder so I can be better entertained.

3. "Next-gen" does not only mean power. They could market their machine as a true next-gen machine without wading into territory they're only going to lose at (as they have endlessly since they revealed the XBO, whether your desperate fanaticism allows you to admit it or not).

4. So far, if GAF was in charge of their marketing and planning we would have saved them from a.) their embarrassing original XBO vision and the 180s after b.) their attempts to try to enter a PS4 tech war, which has led to yet more embarrassing news for them c.) resolutiongate, since we would have told Microsoft to get out ahead of it ages ago. And before you say 'b-b-but GAF hardcore blah blah fucking blah', please realize that the reason Microsoft changed was because they had abysmal pre-order numbers while Sony's were skyrocketing. Please understand that it remains the case that Sony is dominating in pre-order numbers, launch allotment, consumer interest, online auctions and much more purely BECAUSE of their horrible decisions that much of GAF would have helped them avoid. And don't even get me started in Europe. XBO is getting fucking thrashed in early indications.

But please, go on. Bubbles are cool. Live in your bubble bro.

5. You don't need to be a pixel counter to notice the difference between 720p and 1080p. You need to simply not be blind. That said, the point is not 'pixel counting.' The point is a real world illustration of the massive gulf in power. And, it must be said, the resolution was only part of the differences... in Battlefield 4, plenty of other features are different as well, all of them advantage PS4. So not only is it outputting a massive resolution gap, but it's doing it at a more consistent framerate and with more impressive effects overall. There is absolutely no way to underplay it without being obscene.

6. As has been said a million times, word-of-mouth is the #1 thing that sells people on gaming products. Word-of-mouth always starts within the hardcore gaming fans and spreads out to their family and other casuals. If Hardcore gamers begin to lament at mass that the PS4 gaming experience is simply superior on a technical level, that is going to leak out - even if those people couldn't themselves tell the difference. They will remember that their friends said it was 'worse' for one reason or another, and they will look at the sticker price, and they'll put two and two together. it doesn't take rocket science. Once again, PS4 is absolutely dominating in the word-of-mouth game. That's why it is important for Microsoft to tailor their message so as not to try to deceive or focus on their weaknesses for their primary message deliverers. We are the ones who spread out and inform.

7. I am not important to MS; millions upon millions of gamers, however, are. We spend the most average money on their products, we raise the biggest stink, we are the ones who made them even moderately successful in the first place. Without our blessing, things are simply that much harder for Microsoft. Without our approval, we go out and tell those who aren't tuned in that it's not worth it. Now it's true it's possible to do it without us, but you're increasing the odds of failure exponentially and for no reason. Since they have an alternative message that is viable and plays to their actual strengths.

8. No, they only intentionally tried to deceive hardcore gamers as to what those specs could actually do and what PS4's specs could actually do so that people who are actually ignorant about technology could be fooled into thinking the gap was tiny or insignificant. It was a lie, everyone knows it was a lie, and even Leadbetter has now had to come out and damage control for letting Microsoft's architect folks pretty much post articles filled with FUD. To deny this is simply to deny facts. Up to you.

I don't have enough claps...
 

QaaQer

Member
I get your point. A race car was the analogy I chose to use because it is easy to see the difference between power and performance in that context. The goal of a race car is to have the fastest lap times. If the goal was to have the most comfortable car, then heated seats and navigation are going to be more important.

The goal of a console is to entertain. Certainly power is needed but my joy of gaming is not tied to a games native resolution. In fact, my decision to buy a PS4 or a XB1 has nothing to do with power. I think they are equally powerful enough to provide quality gaming. My decision has come down to how well PS Vita functions with remote play or the quality of Titanfall, a game with tremendous promise.

but GAF being GAF, it is wrapped around the axle on resolution. As if native 1080p is going to deliver a more enjoyable game than upscaled 1080p. I would say that XB1 and PS4 have enough power to deliver quality gaming. I'm interested in all the "heated seats" and "navigation" that adds to my enjoyment and I think that is what the media is trying to deliver to us as well.

umm, no. Really what you a bitching about is that some gaf members who are interested in this topic think resolution is an important indicator of console grunt and an important factor in choosing what to buy. Why are you so wound up in trying to convince them otherwise? Nobody here is trying to tell you not to buy an x1 if you like the input one/football/titanfall stuff.

As far as what the media is trying to do, 99% of them are trying to keep their advertisers happy. And you know what, MS is has one of the largest marketing budgets on the planet.
 

Dire

Member
Why are press acting this? I want to know. Honestly. Many said that the 50% power advantage the PS4 has won't really end up that high an advantage. So then comes Call of Duty, a game in which PS4 has a 125% power advantage over the XB1 version! This is vastly BIGGER a difference! Its crazy news. Even BF4, which has a comparatively less impressive 50% higher pixel count, had many press at the event stunned to find that the PS4 version was much more impressive. This was said by many people, and both Eurogamer and Jack Frags asked other members of the press at the event, most of who completely agreed.

What good does it do the press to downplay this significant advantage? I have trouble understanding it. Don't downplay it BECAUSE some people won't tell the difference. That is being willfully untruthful. Most readers of video game websites aren't the kind of people who don't care about technical details, so why are they appealing to what they call the "normal person". Don't hide facts under a veil of "slight differences". That's a lie.

It's the same reason review scores for major titles start at a 7/10 for the most part. If the media doesn't "play ball" they don't get their fancy little early release review copies of games and they're relegated to irrelevance in a matter of months.

Does anybody know the deal with movie reviewers. Are they unionized? The same thing has never happened with movie reviews, at least in my memory. They have and continue to tear major releases a new one with no fear of anti-competitive reprisal from Hollywood. If the movie industry was like the game industry every single massive budget summer blockbuster craptacular would be a 9/10 amazing new experience with shocking visual and edge of your seat thrills.
 
That would require an exec associated with the xbox to have some degree of integrity. At this point not saying anything would be better than the shit Pennello, Greenberg, and others have put out there.

Couldn't agree more. Support these guys at this point, and you're part of the problem, not the solution.
 
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