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Fallout 4 DLC: Automatron ($10), WW ($5), Far Harbor ($25), More; Season Pass -> $50
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The big difference is perception and value proposition - I get it, objectively they are technically the same thing.
From my perspective, this released as $30 season pass and there is nothing that will convince me that $30 has all of a sudden, overnight transformed into a steal of a price. $30 is expensive, $30 is the base season pass price that we've come to know for months, and $30 is what has been on my mind for this game since the season pass was first announced.
With the $50 price hike I'm not suddenly going to start thinking that $30 is a great price.
The reason is in the OP. What comes with the pass is going to be worth more in value than $30. It was always their plan to raise the price of the season pass. That was the appeal, early adapters get a discount. This is not new information.
rainking187
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I'd really like to know how big the Far Harbor DLC is, just saying it has the largest landmass doesn't really mean anything to me without some sort of comparison. What makes it worth $15 more than any of the other Fallout DLC that's been released?
I was always under the impression that getting the season pass would be cheaper than buying the DLC individually, but I don't recall ever hearing that the cost of the season pass would be increasing.
I was always under the impression that getting the season pass would be cheaper than buying the DLC individually, but I don't recall ever hearing that the cost of the season pass would be increasing.
Vincent Grayson
Member
They literally said either pre-launch, or right after, that they were selling the season pass at a special $30 price temporarily.
I remember it distinctly because I wondered what would be in it, and how much more it would cost at full price.
wat
we had no idea that they would raise the price of the pass until today. Ergo, we had no idea that early adopters were paying less until today
that's new information in my books
You're right, I'm confusing information in my head because I always figured this would go this way.
What was said is that buying the season pass would give players the chance to save money rather than buying the DLC straightout once it was released. $30 for $40 worth on content or more.
The assumption was that they would either stop selling the pass or raise the price.
Here's the original gaf thread if you want to give it a read for what others thought about this back in September.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1109285
Tizoc
Member
Itll be much morncheaper if u wait a few more months
The Albatross
Member
Fact is, Bethesda doesn't really know what the institute is doing. Despite being the focal point of FO4 the institute was less intriguing than how they were presented in a small handful of missions in FO3.
sadly you're never given any explanation of what the institute is doing, how they're supposedly saving the Commonwealth, or why they need more power. If you choose to help them, despite being the goddam head of the institute, you're completely in the dark as to what their objective is. This isn't the case for the other factions, but it makes for a lame antagonist.
If you're a pc gamer this is true. But if you play FO4 on consoles like I do then you'll have to wait for a game of the year edition, which is fine, if you want to wait. DLC is rarely discounted by Bethesda. Priorities and all that if waiting is worth it.
StereoVsn
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I don't even see it being much cheaper on PC unless you wait a year or two. Skyrim DLCs got discounted to 50% only after a year or so after release. Skyrim Game of the Year edition was not highly discounted for a while. If Bethesda holds to same idea with Fallout 4, its unlikely that one will see anything less then $25 for a year or two at best.
You can get it for $24 right now at GMG. That said, I am still debating. The smaller two DLCs don't particularly interest me and the bigger $25 one I am suspicious about size/quality considering Skyrim DLC price/quality at $20 each.
Judging by how Skyrim and Dishonored DLC steam sales have went, you are gonna be waiting a very, very long time.
Chilli_Axe
Member
Can't believe so many gaffers are falling for this tbh. "shit it's gonna be more expensive soon, I gotta buy now and secure a good deal" is exactly what they want you to think so you're locked into buying a product that might end up being bad value for money and/or lower quality than you're expecting
ArkkAngel007
Member
So, people aren't making informed decisions based on the given information and their past experience with Bethesda DLC.
There's no falling for anything. There's plenty to base a decision on right now.
I might buy the pass for the 30 because yes, I want it cheaper IF I want to commit to that. But that also means I have to also actually play Fallout 4 to see if it's a game I want more content out of like FO3 or TES4.
HanzSnubSnub
Member
Well played Bethesda, but I'm not falling for this.
Even though Far Harbor seems interesting, based on F4, 80% of it will be Radiant AI quests.
They state the season pass is now going to contain $60 worth of content, what they have announced is worth $40. So anyone thinking they are going to release another dlc later on that is similar in "size" to Far Harbor is incorrect, since it will likely be smaller packs to fill out the rest of 2016.
Even though Far Harbor seems interesting, based on F4, 80% of it will be Radiant AI quests.
They state the season pass is now going to contain $60 worth of content, what they have announced is worth $40. So anyone thinking they are going to release another dlc later on that is similar in "size" to Far Harbor is incorrect, since it will likely be smaller packs to fill out the rest of 2016.
Unless you have some weird obsession with sitting through the Radiant AI quests, they don't make up 80 percent of any Fallout or TES expansion or game.
And you got those prices wrong. It was 30 dollars, now its 50 as of March 1st. They claim it has 50 dollars worth of content. If you want all of the DLC announced, the 30 dollar pack is less. And you have no reason to think they won't do another large content thing. Even if its not the same as Far Harbor, even in Skyrim they did two large packs, as opposed to last gen's Fallout approach of many small DLCs.
Edit: Wait, you were right about the prices. Sorry for the confusion.
Chilli_Axe
Member
All we have to base decisions on as of now are a few screenshots and some sales pitch text from Bethesda. Who knows how the content will actually turn out? It could live up to Bethesda's track record or it could also not be worth the asking price
HanzSnubSnub
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Yeah I think you meant the prices, no worries.
If you bought it, hopefully it satisfies your expectations when it releases.
nostradamus has spoken
I'm still confused where your thought process on the lesser DLCs is coming from. Bethesda actually has a good track record for the opposite. Dawngaurd to Dragonborn is probably the most obvious example, but I believe the Fallout DLCs in the past were received the same.
Lanrutcon
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Compared to the clowns that predict Far Harbor is going to be worth $25 based off a single sales blurb?
No, I think its based on the sale blurb and Bethesda's relatively good track record. They claim its the largest DLC they have done, and unless they just make an empty playground, the 25 seems at least somewhat reasonable based on that.
I honestly wouldn't ever pay 25 for one DLC, but 30 for the set sounds okay to me. I'd probably be fine with 30 for just the three they listed, even if the first two are mostly ignorable content-wise.
SolarMystic
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The fact they raised the price actually excites me. We'll be getting more content than they initially anticipated it seems. I'm in for $30.
Far Harbor seems like traditional Bethesda expansion stuff, akin to Shivering Isles and Dragonborn.
Far Harbor seems like traditional Bethesda expansion stuff, akin to Shivering Isles and Dragonborn.
Apologies if this has been talked about earlier in the thread but, is there any chance that Beth considers these 3 DLCs the first "season" with the intention of flogging you another season pass for the rest?
They've used some cleverly worded copy in that blog post which doesn't completely rule out this idea.
They've used some cleverly worded copy in that blog post which doesn't completely rule out this idea.
Klart
Member
Nah, I think it's pretty clear. We get 60 bucks of content for a (now) 30 / (later) 50 dollar season pass.
For now three pieces of DLC have been announced, 1 for 10 bucks, one for 5 bucks and one for 25 bucks.
That leaves 20 bucks of DLC to be released in the season pass.
SolarMystic
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Probably due to the established pedigree of Bethesda dlc. Basically everything over $20 has been old school expansion sized content.
Even their $20 mini expansions are pretty expansive, like kotn and dawngaurd.
Fair enough. Just wanted to see what the general consensus was on this before I plonked down the cash. Cheers!
Mr Fahrenheit
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Yea I'm not about this trying to make me buy it by raising the price business.
Trickster
Member
I understand that the prospect of getting a 50 dollar season pass at nearly half the price has a certain alure to it. And I would possibly be exicted about it myself. The issue that I see with this, is that like many season passes, I'm expected to pay up front, for content I don't know what will be.
That unknown combined with the psychological effect of putting a deadline on the 30 dollar version is something I really don't appreciate.
If you have a season pass for your game that you're willing to charge me money for. You should really have a detailed plan for what the content will be, and when I can expect to play it.
Lanrutcon
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Skyrim's DLC was shitty. Like, mediocre at its best moments. So I think we have very different perceptions of said pedigree.
NV had good shit though, but that was all Obsidian, wasn't it?
Assuming Far Harbor is actually Bar Harbor, that's one of the best possible choices for a DLC location. If they manage to recreate it faithfully, I'm in.
I did an internship in Bar Harbor last year, and it's a genuinely unsettling place off-season. Beautiful hiking trails and scenery, but the town is creepy as fuck.
I did an internship in Bar Harbor last year, and it's a genuinely unsettling place off-season. Beautiful hiking trails and scenery, but the town is creepy as fuck.
I got the same message yesterday, they must be selling like mad since the DLC announcement.
DJ_Lae
Member
It sounds substantial - hopefully it turns out that way.
Me too.
I feel a bit like a sucker, their 'price is going up!' announcement worked on me. And I don't normally prebuy stuff like this.
Me too.
I feel a bit like a sucker, their 'price is going up!' announcement worked on me. And I don't normally prebuy stuff like this.
Diablohead
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I was like a year and a bit after all the dlc was out that the GOTY skyrim was £7.50, i'll wait that long before I play fallout4.
Even for Bethesda, a developer I've loved since I first played Arena in 94, I'm not down with this season pass idea. It's like preordering or kickstarting games, which I also don't do. Not throwing my money at unproven content without seeing impressions or previews of it, especially when I'm able to wring so much enjoyment out of the base product. I've been mostly unimpressed with Bethesda DLC anyways, since they dropped the idea of full-on expansions post-Morrowind. I'll wait for Steam sales in 2017 if I deem this worth picking up.
HanzSnubSnub
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The Fallout 3 dlc's were received with mixed reviews. Some were good, some were bad. And that was the same case with Skyrim's dlcs. The dlcs weren't amazing, but they weren't terrible. They were alright.
Since the dlcs announced add up to $40, do you really think "more" and "this is only the beginning" mean one more big dlc pack? Probably not. And since $20 worth of content isn't a lot to fill out "new Fallout adventures and features throughout 2016", it seems logically for them to spread it out. They are likely to release a couple more $5 or $10 packs, similar to Wasteland Workshop and Automatron.Bethesda said:
And to me, those packs look like $5 for house building knick knacks and $10 for a robot companion.
VistraNorrez
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I expect 3 more DLC packs following pretty much the same formula. 2 that focus on features and 1 that focuses on location and story. Although I don't expect to get that one with a size close to Far Harbour. That'll be the big expansion for the DLC.
I've put in 185 hours into F4 so far. I still haven't seen some major parts of the game and I've put time into things I didn't expect to like the Settlements and the Power Armor. So for me $30 dollars for all this new content is worth it. I don't know if I'll like it all but F4 has been a great experience so far. I want more official content.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
So is the reason the GECK is taking so long because the first 2 DLC's could easily be mods?
Actually thought the same but meh, at least it will mean that it will be easier for mod makers to make stuff like that on a better level. I guess...
Because the Shivering Isles is more of an expansion pack than an add-on. It had it's own retail release.