sackboy2197
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I think the biggest plothole in the end was just how everyone simply went back to normal. He stopped the countdown with so little time left that I'd assume 95% of the world would have been brainwashed by then.
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Danganronpa 3 The End of Hope's Peak Academy |OT| Nagito Komaeda's Wild Ride Part Two
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So, err, well...
What was the point?
No, seriously, what was the point?
In the end, this was awful. Terribly written, pointless schlock made to capitalise on the popularity of a series really not made to support long term story.
Mikan/10 needed a
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What was the point?
No, seriously, what was the point?
This series didn't end anything. It told a terrible self contained story, then time skipped to a saved world.
DR2 could have had that time skip thrown on the end and it would be fine. Hell, DR1 too.
Like, ok, I loved the DR2 fanservice and Liquid Hajime being the one who saved the day, but aside from that nothing happened. They stopped the plan of two people unrelated to despair. They didn't help the cause at all, other than I guess by killing China. But nothing really stated that Chisa was doing that much damage, so how does defeating Mitarai's plan lead to fixing the world? Or was the world not fixed and everything is still fucked?
Also that Kirigiri cop out was worse than I expected. She didn't even do anything after getting back, so bringing her back is literally just pulling a 'No one died after all! Yay!' without the tinge of 'but they're in a coma and might be evil and missing limbs. Yay?' that made DR2's variant so great.
DR2 could have had that time skip thrown on the end and it would be fine. Hell, DR1 too.
Like, ok, I loved the DR2 fanservice and Liquid Hajime being the one who saved the day, but aside from that nothing happened. They stopped the plan of two people unrelated to despair. They didn't help the cause at all, other than I guess by killing China. But nothing really stated that Chisa was doing that much damage, so how does defeating Mitarai's plan lead to fixing the world? Or was the world not fixed and everything is still fucked?
Also that Kirigiri cop out was worse than I expected. She didn't even do anything after getting back, so bringing her back is literally just pulling a 'No one died after all! Yay!' without the tinge of 'but they're in a coma and might be evil and missing limbs. Yay?' that made DR2's variant so great.
In the end, this was awful. Terribly written, pointless schlock made to capitalise on the popularity of a series really not made to support long term story.
Mikan/10 needed a
Nagito rocket-punch
My only positive takeaway from Hope: Impostor-Charlie looks hilariously awesome swinging around a katana. Not quite awesome enough to justify him not being comatose, but still pretty awesome.
However, I am thoroughly disappointed in the lack of ROCKET PEACE.
...I feel like the DR2s would be much more fun to play as in a fighting game than the DR1s, overall.
However, I am thoroughly disappointed in the lack of ROCKET PEACE.
...I feel like the DR2s would be much more fun to play as in a fighting game than the DR1s, overall.
I got spoiled a little because apparently people put the episode up on YouTube immediately, which meant my suggested videos had thumbnails of
cause I guess everyone can't be assed to set the thumbnails to the arc's logo or something.
Anyway, I... liked that? Well.
I was talking about this with my roommate earlier (before we watched it) and my stance is the same: a fandisc following 2's cast during their pre-Despair life would have been much better than this. Despair's early episodes had some great moments along those lines; that's really all I wanted from this and given how fast that ended, I wish I had more of that.
...maybe I'll finally go play Island Mode or something. I've always meant to platinum the games and a few hours of those modes are basically all I need for 1 and 2. Hmm.
I'll probably be responding to various things in this thread for a while cause I'm sure I've missed things and also am slightly tipsy.
EDIT:
I completely disagree with you (ZTD is still much worse; this was pointless trash but it didn't need to be a thing, while ZTD needed to be a thing and was both trash in general and at being the thing it needed to be)... but I needed to quote this because that Munakata joke made me burst out laughing.
the cast from 2
Anyway, I... liked that? Well.
It's more that it was completely fanservicey nonsense but it turns out all I need is 2's cast being the goofs that they are to make me be into something; I'm weak as fuck. And you know? I'm ok with it going out on this note. I'd rather they just go for this overly sweet ending than pull more bullshit. This whole thing was pointless as fuck but 2's cast got their cheesy redemption bit; this doesn't make up for the train wreck that was the rest of the show but at least it was not itself that.
I did laugh at how forced the BY THE WAY WE GOT KIRIGIRI BACK thing was. Though... you know... would have been even more hilarious if Bandai was also there. I also found Nagito's robo-hand pretty amusing because apparently that's the only body mutilation they're going to acknowledge, given that they did so previously and had to stick to it?
I did laugh at how forced the BY THE WAY WE GOT KIRIGIRI BACK thing was. Though... you know... would have been even more hilarious if Bandai was also there. I also found Nagito's robo-hand pretty amusing because apparently that's the only body mutilation they're going to acknowledge, given that they did so previously and had to stick to it?
I was talking about this with my roommate earlier (before we watched it) and my stance is the same: a fandisc following 2's cast during their pre-Despair life would have been much better than this. Despair's early episodes had some great moments along those lines; that's really all I wanted from this and given how fast that ended, I wish I had more of that.
...maybe I'll finally go play Island Mode or something. I've always meant to platinum the games and a few hours of those modes are basically all I need for 1 and 2. Hmm.
I'll probably be responding to various things in this thread for a while cause I'm sure I've missed things and also am slightly tipsy.
EDIT:
I completely disagree with you (ZTD is still much worse; this was pointless trash but it didn't need to be a thing, while ZTD needed to be a thing and was both trash in general and at being the thing it needed to be)... but I needed to quote this because that Munakata joke made me burst out laughing.
UberTag
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Not many of the DR1 cast would translate well to a fighting game engine format.
- Toko / Genocide Jack
- Mukuro
- Sakura
... those are the three obvious standouts.
Hina could work. Junko's obviously an ideal boss character with her many personalities. The rest not so much. Both the DR2 and DR3 casts clearly offer many more standout choices.
Hope Arc
You know what, whatever. I already came to terms with the fact that the anime was going into the most contrived direction possible. I'll begrudgingly accept this if only for the fanservice, even if it undermines so much of DR2's dramatic tension.
Surprising absolutely no one Kirigiri is alive. It kinda highlights how they really didn't think her through for this anime. For a while I thought they were also bringing Chiaki back for real.
Surprising absolutely no one Kirigiri is alive. It kinda highlights how they really didn't think her through for this anime. For a while I thought they were also bringing Chiaki back for real.
In the end, the root of the issue was the brainwashing video, but has that been destroyed at the source? What is keeping other remnants from recovering a copy and plunging more people into despair?
ChasingComets
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Honestly, if Kodaka was going to asspull this much, I wish he went all the way and brought back Chiaki along with everyone else. There's some weird trade-off between the 77th and 78th class, with the 77th all surviving, and the majority of the 78th dead, but then Naegi gets to be with the heroine.
I am also sorely, sorely disappointed there was no epic finger pointing. What a waste.
I am also sorely, sorely disappointed there was no epic finger pointing. What a waste.
You know what, Despair should have been all about the DR2 cast recovering from waking up. Start off with Hajizuru coming to terms with his new dual identity and the loss of Chiaki, as he also helps the despaired crew come to terms with their new bodies. Slowly over time more of the DR2 cast could have woken up, and we could have even flashed back to the brainwashing stuff keeping Future intact as they regain the memories they lost. Over the course of the series they slowly come back to themselves until they end up looking how they do in Hope: completely back to normal.
lazyproblems
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My impression was that Monaca didn't know about the game. She took over as Miaya because she wanted to get close to Makoto, the person who defeated Junko, and later observe his trial. Then she was going to fuck off into space. Once the killing game started she decided to stay and fuck around until the first sign of adversity in Towa City. I guess Tengan didn't mind her presence or her going and checking all the NG codes during one of the night phases.
That said, it doesn't explain the pre-recorded and animated Monokuma hacking her chair computer and fucking with Usami.
Also, I thought they were going to explain why Ryota showed up, but nothing. I guess he wanted to see the trial because he was the cause of those people going crazy and he admired Makoto?
Despite the fact that he had no bracelet and wasn't even in the game, it appears as though they actually were counting Hiro all along.
The finale was super disappointing because Naegi didn't do anything. Heck, Persona didn't do anything either. The entire conflict was resolved by characters who hadn't even appeared in Future Arc at all up to this point!
It's funny to look back a couple pages and see everyone predicting a double finger point from our two past protagonists and we didn't even get a single one! Just a wet thud.
It's funny to look back a couple pages and see everyone predicting a double finger point from our two past protagonists and we didn't even get a single one! Just a wet thud.
NeonZ
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There was one! Look at the logo! Which makes the lack of one in the story all the more puzzling. You'd think considering how they were writing this mostly for fanservice and "big moments", rather than telling a good story, they'd have made the story go in a direction where they'd be able to it something like that.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Wait
Why did Mitarai have an NG code
Why did Mitarai have an NG code that meant that he couldn't do the ONE thing that the game was created to accomplish
They didn't even explain that! I was teetering on Tengan's plan being shit but I was holding out hope that they even TRIED to make an excuse, like "it was meant for Hagakure, but he wasn't here, and the game wouldn't run if everyone didn't have an NG code"
And why was Mitarai there, they never explained that or where he actually was
Who killed the guards, was it Tengan?
Also
WHO WAS IN THE HELICOPTER
THEY DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT, it was just a rando!
Was it someone Tengan hired? I mean I suppose that makes sense, but they never explained that.
That's a good question
Why doesn't Hajime hack the New World Program and extract her, and then have Kazuichi build a Chimeki? I don't know if there's an Ultimate Hacker, but it would make sense for there to be and, as such, it would make sense that Hajime would have that power. And because the NWP was created by the Ultimate Programmer, the Ultimate Therapist, and the Ultimate Neurologist, Hajime should be able to understand the ins and outs of it.
Ultimately there were three things I wish that the show did (aside from the complaints I mentioned before this quote):
1. For Nagito to express pleasure that he finally got to see hope and hope clash. Give him SOME closing arc. He literally had NOTHING! I mean I don't find it entirely unsatisfying that he was able to end up as a non-villain, but his arc didn't have anything of his character at the end. His plot from UDG went nowhere - he ultimately accomplished nothing (besides turning Monaca into a neet), and the scheming nature of his pre-despair self was not present at all in Future arc. Like, not at ALL. I guess you could argue that after he awoke from the NWP he was so moved by hope that he didn't need it anymore, but still, at least establish that. Give him closure, let us see that he saw a clash of two hopes and doesn't need hope anymore.
2. I wish that the scene with Kyoko had Mikan tell Makoto that she was all right, instead of an off-hand comment.
3. A scene at the end, showing Hajime and Kazuichi finishing up on a crude Chimeki.
Why did Mitarai have an NG code
Why did Mitarai have an NG code that meant that he couldn't do the ONE thing that the game was created to accomplish
They didn't even explain that! I was teetering on Tengan's plan being shit but I was holding out hope that they even TRIED to make an excuse, like "it was meant for Hagakure, but he wasn't here, and the game wouldn't run if everyone didn't have an NG code"
And why was Mitarai there, they never explained that or where he actually was
Who killed the guards, was it Tengan?
Also
WHO WAS IN THE HELICOPTER
THEY DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT, it was just a rando!
Was it someone Tengan hired? I mean I suppose that makes sense, but they never explained that.
That's a good question
Why doesn't Hajime hack the New World Program and extract her, and then have Kazuichi build a Chimeki? I don't know if there's an Ultimate Hacker, but it would make sense for there to be and, as such, it would make sense that Hajime would have that power. And because the NWP was created by the Ultimate Programmer, the Ultimate Therapist, and the Ultimate Neurologist, Hajime should be able to understand the ins and outs of it.
Ultimately there were three things I wish that the show did (aside from the complaints I mentioned before this quote):
1. For Nagito to express pleasure that he finally got to see hope and hope clash. Give him SOME closing arc. He literally had NOTHING! I mean I don't find it entirely unsatisfying that he was able to end up as a non-villain, but his arc didn't have anything of his character at the end. His plot from UDG went nowhere - he ultimately accomplished nothing (besides turning Monaca into a neet), and the scheming nature of his pre-despair self was not present at all in Future arc. Like, not at ALL. I guess you could argue that after he awoke from the NWP he was so moved by hope that he didn't need it anymore, but still, at least establish that. Give him closure, let us see that he saw a clash of two hopes and doesn't need hope anymore.
2. I wish that the scene with Kyoko had Mikan tell Makoto that she was all right, instead of an off-hand comment.
3. A scene at the end, showing Hajime and Kazuichi finishing up on a crude Chimeki.
A Link to the Past
Banned
They needed to make this a few episodes longer to fill in the many, many plotholes.
I like the show overall, but holy hell, I think the story might be the worst in the series.
Didn't have bad gameplay or creepiness like UDG though so it still wins
I like the show overall, but holy hell, I think the story might be the worst in the series.
Didn't have bad gameplay or creepiness like UDG though so it still wins
Sky Interloper
Member
I think that's were the Nagito OVA falls, to try to give some kind of explanation to the whole "
everyone awakened and returned to normal."
to bring Chiaki back. Her return (although possible, because of the same plot asspulls that let everyone recover) would be the last blow to DR2.
As for Mikan, it's clear that was what she was going to tell Makoto when Nagito interrupted her.
The whole anime is chock-full of plot holes and unresolved threads. It doesn't surprise me anymore.
Dangansona
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How could it possibly take Funimation this long?
PaulBizkit
Member
Does anybody know if the DR2 characters remember ANYTHING from what they did in Jabberwock Island ??
Because if they did, they should be all like:
Twogami: hey, teruteru, why the fuck did you kill me for, fool??
Teru: because nagito was going to kill you first!
Hajime: nagito, ffs!! Chiaki died because of you, wtf !!
Nagito: top kek le hope
The little kimono girl: you fucking pig!! I was told you killed me and tied me to a column, im going to kill you!!
Because if they did, they should be all like:
Twogami: hey, teruteru, why the fuck did you kill me for, fool??
Teru: because nagito was going to kill you first!
Hajime: nagito, ffs!! Chiaki died because of you, wtf !!
Nagito: top kek le hope
The little kimono girl: you fucking pig!! I was told you killed me and tied me to a column, im going to kill you!!
Its simple, Hajime made use of ultimate psychologist abilities to fix everything.
The Creator
Member
Really crappy overall.
Most Gaf theories were so much better than what we actually got.....
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- What's going to happen with the monokuma kids? I'd suppose that after having beaten monaca and the remnants FF could individually track each one and take the helmet off, or they could make a brainwashing video to make the helmets commit suicide.
- 13th branch's head? Maybe we'll see something in killer killer or the new game?
- Who the hell were all those blindfolded people? Besides cannon fodder to give the remnants their chance to shine?
- Why did nagito have a bionic arm, gekkougaraha a bionic body and they didn't give AI chiaki her chance to come back? They could've easily made that to make the super duper happy ending.
- The bracelets were indeed magic bracelets, with super ultimate AI to check wheter someone's shadow have been stepped on or not.
- Hakagure was the sixteenth person all along. How depressigly boring.
- 13th branch's head? Maybe we'll see something in killer killer or the new game?
- Who the hell were all those blindfolded people? Besides cannon fodder to give the remnants their chance to shine?
- Why did nagito have a bionic arm, gekkougaraha a bionic body and they didn't give AI chiaki her chance to come back? They could've easily made that to make the super duper happy ending.
- The bracelets were indeed magic bracelets, with super ultimate AI to check wheter someone's shadow have been stepped on or not.
- Hakagure was the sixteenth person all along. How depressigly boring.
Most Gaf theories were so much better than what we actually got.....
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MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
rofl killer killer. what was supposed to be important about that? Juzo and Kyoko being in it for a few pages?
NickWright
Member
Well, the ending had the students literally build a new Hope's Peak Academy so yeah, I don't think the stories will be related at all.
Maybe they even ditch the Hope-Despair fight in the end?
This one sentence sums things up pretty nicely. Things were a lot more interesting when we didn't know the specifics of what had happened during The Tragedy and how the 77th class got turned into the Ultimate Despair, and what they picked for filling in the blanks was one of the worst things they could've ever picked.
At least it's good to see both of us finally converge in a thread around here for a change.
Watch Naegi's school becomes the V3 school
UberTag
Member
Anyone depending on Funimation at this point deserves despair. Every non-official source on the 'Net has this up already. If you paid money to get access via an official channel... and I did along with you... that shouldn't deter you from seeking out a faster resource when it's available.
dakkumauji
Member
lead to endless theories involving the ultimate make up artist that all went nowhere
lazyproblems
Member
lmao, I thought about that too. Although I really would like this to be a reboot, so hopefully the references/connections are minor.
1) I think it was just a misdirect/red herring all along. Odd that they didn't just give
Hina
2) Miaya didn't have a bionic body, that was a robot that Monaca built.
There were better theories everywhere online than what we ended up getting. Kinda sad Chisahina didn't pan out. Would've been a far better twist than "It was Tengan because lolhope."
I guess it was a lie to help push interest and sales. Because despite Kodaka teasing it to have some sort of relevance, that has yet to pan out. Unless he thought that introducing the Juzo hates Makoto thing in Killer Killer was enough to qualify. Apparently it's ending soon, so...
Sky Interloper
Member
Hell, not even the Danganronpa 3 characters mattered in the end. The whole finale was a victory lap for the
DR2 cast
When they announced a Danganronpa 3 anime, I wanted something that was better than the poor adaptation of Danganronpa 1.
Was it the best in terms of writing and such? No...but it did give me what I wanted in the beginning, to see more of the DR1 and DR2 cast.So in a sense..Lerche and Kodaka delivered an anime series which thankfully met the most basic of my requirements. While I agree overall it's not that spectacular, at least it's not that flaming heap of trash that was the adaptation of the first game.
I'm more interested in DR2's conclusion, so it was good to see that they gave quite a solid answer that everyone managed to pull through with Hinata's bullshit powers ...I mean...uhhh...help.
Kind of wished that they showed off more signs of them just coming off being remnants of despair though.
Personally for me my top pick out of the episodes would be episode 6 of Future Arc. Byakuya/Toko/Komaru and Hinata appearing towards the end was enough to blow my mind off in terms of hype.
As you can quite obviously see, I'm quite driven by fanservice so while this Hope episode was quite poorly put together, like the sucker I am, it was still enough to satisfy me.
Oh...and Kirigiri figure re-issue locked on. Not gonna miss out on her this time round.
Was it the best in terms of writing and such? No...but it did give me what I wanted in the beginning, to see more of the DR1 and DR2 cast.So in a sense..Lerche and Kodaka delivered an anime series which thankfully met the most basic of my requirements. While I agree overall it's not that spectacular, at least it's not that flaming heap of trash that was the adaptation of the first game.
I'm more interested in DR2's conclusion, so it was good to see that they gave quite a solid answer that everyone managed to pull through with Hinata's bullshit powers ...I mean...uhhh...help.
Kind of wished that they showed off more signs of them just coming off being remnants of despair though.
Personally for me my top pick out of the episodes would be episode 6 of Future Arc. Byakuya/Toko/Komaru and Hinata appearing towards the end was enough to blow my mind off in terms of hype.
As you can quite obviously see, I'm quite driven by fanservice so while this Hope episode was quite poorly put together, like the sucker I am, it was still enough to satisfy me.
Oh...and Kirigiri figure re-issue locked on. Not gonna miss out on her this time round.
None of the kills in DR2 were really all that bad, with Teruteru being the only one to do so and even then he kinda tumbled into it. Peko took revenge for a legitimate reason (although obviously the better solution is not killing her, which they seem to have gone with since Mahiru is alive), Mikan was brainwashed and Nagito was just trying to flush out the traitor/ kill everyone but the traitor, whilst knowing it was a simulation so no one would actually die. So it's easy to see how people could forgive that.
Plus they all did much worse when despaired up so they probably just wiped the slate clean.
You know what would have been cool to see rather than speculate? That.
Kresnik258
Member
So, I watched the ending.
I won't say it was great, because it wasn't, and it didn't redeem the whole series which in general I thought was pretty poor.
But that was pretty much the best finale I could've expected. Fanservice out of the ears. Made me grin wickedly at the end.
So yeah.
I won't say it was great, because it wasn't, and it didn't redeem the whole series which in general I thought was pretty poor.
But that was pretty much the best finale I could've expected. Fanservice out of the ears. Made me grin wickedly at the end.
So yeah.
Kresnik258
Member
I always thought Mikan's killing/execution was the worst in DR2. She was basically forced into it and I felt pretty sorry for her.
Well, before DR3 it was actually that she was finally acting like herself. But now yeah it was pretty much bullshit on Monokumas part.
Trigonometrize.
Member
She was forced into it a lot less than Gundam. At least Mikanot did it of her own will even if Monokuma gave her her memories back. Gundam had to kill or else they'd all die anyway.
If the Battle Royale aspect that makes up for a significant foundation of Danganronpa is undermined, what does the series even have anymore?
The Silver
Member
they already undermined DR2, might as well undermine Tengen's stupid plan
while we're at it, bring back the DR1 characters, Junko used some memory device Yasuke had to trick them all into think they killed someone/the executions were real.
.......... I liked ZTD better, at least it gave me D2 end and funny shit like c o m p l e x m o t i v e s
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Didn't they just do that with this anime lol.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
TheGeniusArcana
Member
Episode Hope
I...
I...
I enjoyed that a lot. It was nonsensical, created more plot problems, acted as a culmination of all the series-ruining retcons, but was a bunch of stupid fun. It was never going to have a good ending with all the shit that led up to so this is probably the best way they could've done it.
I will never understand how people who recognize ZTD as being bad consider D2 to be a high point and not one of the first signs everything's gone to shit.
lazyproblems
Member
They're really going to insist on calling Hope Arc episode 12? Are they going to keep that up for the DVD/Blu-Ray release?
Speaking of which... Despite my general disappointment with the series, if they produce a good LE I'll still end up buying it. Include the artbook from the Japanese release, and maybe a CD with the anime soundtrack. Just something more than the first anime.
mightynine
Member
I'm fine with Hope because it gave me
once again.
happy Ibuki
i just hope when funimation do release it on blu-ray over here they put like half and half on 1 disc with an option to watch in broadcast order instead of having to switch discs every episode
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