It would be amazing if the exploit was in Steel Diver
Not first party confirmed xD
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3DS Homebrew Channel imminent (?)
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frankie_baby
Member
The VB used an ARM processor so that could(?) Make it easier for the 3ds to emulate
EDIT - actually no it doesn't so ignore what I said sorry
djplaeskool
Member
It's going to be patched. Bank on that.
The fact that you don't need to have had a 3DS in cryostasis with ancient firmware to use it is fantastic though.
frankie_baby
Member
Nasty filthy rotten piracy then
Not saying you are going to pirate but that's what you want to be enabled, if games being on your SD card matter to you you should've bought them on the eshop
Since Smealum is from France, it would be pretty safe to assume it would be on the EU eShop right? Hope it will be available in NA.
Also piracy, I know he says it wouldn't be supported, but that's what GeoHot said about the ps3.. I hope it won't happen, but I'm not surprised if it will eventually happen.
Also piracy, I know he says it wouldn't be supported, but that's what GeoHot said about the ps3.. I hope it won't happen, but I'm not surprised if it will eventually happen.
Yeah, let's benefit the 5 of you that want such an insignificant feature while everyone else gets fucked because of piracy.
Twilightzoney
Member
What I want is to be able to dump our games and be able to mod the game files to make new stuff. When Smash Bros and all that come out we can start having mods, I'm hoping for this too on the Wii U for the new Smash as well. I'm sure theres a way to do that without enabling piracy.
Not first party confirmed xD
I wonder how much the price of it will rise when it's revealed.
I'm not one to get digital versions of games available on a physical format, specially on Nintendo's less than ideal account system. Only games I have on my SD card are DL exclusive games. Hell I even remember before launch that Nintendo thought about a system to let you install your games, requiring authentication every X amount of times, but I don't think they've said anything about it since then.
I just want to be able to play my own backups like on CFW PSP and the Wii HBC.
frankie_baby
Member
Strangely enough everyone always says it's their own back ups they want to play, I doubt the number of "back ups" that are played by people that actually own a copy of the game is anything more than a single digit percentage
Choppasmith
Member
Don't go there.
Edit: I too would like playing backups of my collection for convenience, but just region free would be nice too, that way my brother in New Zealand could get a 3DS and be able to import or borrow my US games. Plus Smash modding.
Valkerionseven
Member
I'd actually love a legit feature to copy my physical games to the SD, simply because I have no cases for several of my used game purchases from before I switched to all digital... or as much digital as I can get lol.
Of course that would lead to piracy but its nice to dream.
All for region free though, there are several games I would love to not have to buy another 3DS for. Toss in GBA emulation and I'm in.
Of course that would lead to piracy but its nice to dream.
All for region free though, there are several games I would love to not have to buy another 3DS for. Toss in GBA emulation and I'm in.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Then it stands to reason that you'll be able to take ten random posters in this thread and point out nine pirates to me.
Yup, pirates always ruin it for the rest of us legit customers, and I doubt that will change in the near future. Hopefully home brewers can implement a system that won't allow piracy on the console.
frankie_baby
Member
All I'm saying is back ups lead to piracy, yeah there are some people that legitimately back up their own stuff and they would be benefited by such hacks however their benefit is dwarfed by the benefit to legions of pirates, 3ds software sales ain't (outside of some big titles) that great and third party support isn't as good as it could be, it'd be a tradgedy for the 3ds software market to collapse and the remaining 3rd parties to run to the f2p mobile he'll hole
Pancakes R Us
Member
Devolution for playing Gamecube games on Wii, whilst not perfect, is a decent setup. You have to verify it with the disc.
frankie_baby
Member
Some of the posters will be, sure, who I don't know, I'd like to hope there's less on GAF than most sites but who knows, it just riled me up that someone actually was hoping "back ups" become possible
If it's a hack based on a specific game, I guess there isn't a lot to be excited about.
I'm not terribly knowledgeable on how this one works, but look at how it does on Vita for PSP games. They find a save game exploit, Sony removes the game from PSN to avoid it from spreading too far, a new firmware that fixes it follows in a month at most. Then you're off to choose between keeping the exploit or having PSN access - you can't go online with an outdated firmware.
And in this case, if you're only using for region free only, in a few months games will come out requiring a firmware you don't (and can't) have.
Am I wrong?
I'm not terribly knowledgeable on how this one works, but look at how it does on Vita for PSP games. They find a save game exploit, Sony removes the game from PSN to avoid it from spreading too far, a new firmware that fixes it follows in a month at most. Then you're off to choose between keeping the exploit or having PSN access - you can't go online with an outdated firmware.
And in this case, if you're only using for region free only, in a few months games will come out requiring a firmware you don't (and can't) have.
Am I wrong?
MasterOfPuppets
Member
Maybe it will be able to be updated like the Wii Homebrew Channel so a new firmware update won't delete it?
Not first party confirmed xD
Cheap games available in all regions and with a limited eShop availability:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_3DS_games#Download_Software
(Order by Nintendo eShop (last column))
Dead or Alive Dimensions (eShop Japan only)
Pro Evolution Soccer 3D (2012 & 2013 versions, North America eShop only)
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars (North America eShop only)
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell 3D (NA eShop)
I guess the desired game should be among those 5 games.
serenewarfare
Banned
I know on the PS3, games that needed higher firmware could be patched to be playable on whatever firmware you were on.
Yup, I also remember one of the installers of Wii HBC required you to provide original discs for installation, hell it even asked you if you intended to use HBC for piracy, if you said yes it blocked the installation for a while. That's of course not ideal, but perhaps they can come up with a good solution.
serenewarfare
Banned
lol. Smealum puts out a joke tweet about how he'll tell someone the name of the game right now if they buy him a Smash 3DS XL. Then someone is offering to do it. The internet, man.
thoseAREmySHOES
Member
If the game only had a physical release, man, the price is gonna skyrocket 
PreyingShark
Member
Waiting a week or two seems to be really hard.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
*crosses fingers that it will be on my eshop*
I want to be rid of this region locked sickness.
I want to be rid of this region locked sickness.
UncleSporky
Member
Well, I usually leave my 3DS on all the time in sleep mode. I just turned it off. Don't want any undue stability sneaking onto it.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Luckily 3DS doesn't have enough digital exclusive releases to keep me from using this and staying off the wifi. The funny thing though is that the need for region free isn't nearly as great as it was a year ago.
The Wikipedia list is innacurate, both Tom clancy's games are available for 19.99 in the euro shop
UncleSporky
Member
I hope it's Shadow Wars because that's an awesome game everyone should play anyway.
It's kind of obvious just looking at it that it used to be a DS game and was up-ported, so maybe there's some other aspect of it that was done shoddily and quickly that allows for this exploit.
It's kind of obvious just looking at it that it used to be a DS game and was up-ported, so maybe there's some other aspect of it that was done shoddily and quickly that allows for this exploit.
sixteen-bit
Member
I hope it's Griptonite's Shinobi because then I don't have to track down something else.
AFAIK, that's not on the eShop
AFAIK, that's not on the eShop
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Same here, I'm not actually planning to grab any new 3DS games before ORAS.
Well this hack specifically probably wont allow it, but it'll open the way for piracy. But also wonderful things such as allowing you to dump your GBA library and play them on the 3DS, which for me is awesome since my DSLite broke horrribly and the battery in my GBA SP is straight up dead. (It loads for a second, the chargelight goes on then turns off immediately ;-
I called it. They're just hijacking a game to run additional code, thus it's an user-mode hack. Let's see if the region unlock works.
It's very likely to be DoAD:
1) DoAD is one of the earliest games with a photo-mode and has a in-game photo viewer that only works with it's own photos (I believe it writes extra data to the JPEGs).
2) The photos are written to the SD card using a very simple game-specific encryption, not system-based encryption.
3) Since they claim you can use the eShop version, it can't be a save game exploit because eShop games use system-based encryption (which is very strong and is different for each console unit).
So, the hack is probably a custom made JPEG to be loaded in DoAD's photo viewer. It could also be Metal Gear Solid, since it's not available on the NA eShop and can load JPEGs for custom camo.
baphomet
Member
Seems like the most likely scenario.
Herpes Reasons
Banned
GAF has a policy of not accusing people of piracy without proof. It also has a policy of defending the use of backups. How about you stop with your backups = pirate talk.
KojiKnight
Member
It really depends on how VB works... part of the reason the SNES is so hard to emulate is because even though it's 'only' 3.58mhz, it's got a lot of components that require VERY precise timings to get accurate results. The 3DS is more than powerful enough to emulate the SNES and at full speed with a few custom hacks (akin to what SNES9x and Zsnes used to use, as well as what the current SNES emulators on GBA/DS use) but the rendering may cause some slow downs on some of the more difficult games (SuperFX, SDD-1, and SPC700 chips come to mind especially, but even something simpler like the DSP series could be troublesome).
Do I personally believe the 3DS is capable of emulating the VB? Yeah, I think so. Even if the processor ran at 20mhz, it's a rather simple RISC design with no exotic hardware (custom sound chips, etc). I don't know the hardware intimately, but at least from what little I can gleam from Wikipedia, it doesn't look like a particularly hard system to emulate.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
Cubic Ninja is very old, very cheap, only available on eshop in Japan, and has some sort of level editor. Not really familiar with the game but if the data structures used for the level editor had some exploit you'd have a way in.
He's not wrong and he's not accusing anyone in particular of piracy. I know he's raising a moot point, but the idea that backups open availability to piracy can certainly be worthy of discussion, particularly in a market that the 3DS is in. The 3DS software situation is pretty abysmal, and when some of its direct competitors are devices that have thousands of free games, it isn't a stretch of the imagination to see where $30-40 titles are suddenly going to be marked 100% off for many. Maybe he didn't push this point in the best way possible, but I hate the way posters will jump all over someone like they want them to be banned for raising a perfectly valid point. Now I myself backed up my own titles on Wii and PSP, two markets fucking rampant in piracy, so I know it's frustrating to be accused of piracy when you're a legitimate consumer, but I didn't take his initial statement as an attack on anyone.
serenewarfare
Banned
Wouldn't that contradict his claim of being able to bypass the region lock?