I'm with her. They started something historic and just shat all over it all within the same night. Disrespecting all the ladies that took part in that event is an understatement.
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I'm with her. They started something historic and just shat all over it all within the same night. Disrespecting all the ladies that took part in that event is an understatement.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Drawing a 1.8 in the ratings is worth way more than WWE currently makes. They're going to get an increase when the TV deal is up.
Majukun
Member
they have an entire year to milk that possibility to the ground.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
Nah they won't. Advertisers are not interested in wrestling no matter the ratings.
Majukun
Member
it wasn't really that different from any kind of "manager interference" in the past..people just tok offence because this was supposed to be a match where the women got to shine and the manager that decided it all was a male
Professor Beef
Banned
tbf you don't need to have a match to beat the shit out of someone
You could have Mella and Big Poppa Ellsworth cut a promo in the ring, and have Becky rush down and beat the soul out of him while Mella books it.
can't happen in WWE though, hence my point
They've had Becky and other women attack James before. They can absolutely go that route if they want.
I don't know if that makes up for tonight, but it can happen.
Professor Beef
Banned
Becky beating Ellsworth senseless absolutely could happen, and wouldn't need a match either.
If it happens I see it as the women surrounding him and each hitting their finisher.
the thing about the women's match ending is WWE just finds it very hard to refrain from taking a shit on the women's divisions. they kind of set things up to look right, and look good, then when it comes to the PPV or some important promo segments, they make sure to just kind of take a bit of a shit on it and make sure it isn't good. it's like they think 'we can't go from absolute filth to good in one movement, this is a transition that will take years, so let's shit up the division a bit with thing like james ellsworth winning the first women's money in the bank'.
anyway i only watched 5 mins of the women's match and nothing else. been sick this week and just taking any distraction i can get, but i will resume not watching again. fuck the trump-supporting wwe and fuck wrestling in general!
anyway i only watched 5 mins of the women's match and nothing else. been sick this week and just taking any distraction i can get, but i will resume not watching again. fuck the trump-supporting wwe and fuck wrestling in general!
Naw. It winds up for all the wrong reasons. Booking reasons. A great match spoiled in such a stupid way. It doo-doo'd all over the entire women's division and completely shafted the importance of the match overall (the first women's MITB). That's heat for all the WRONG reasons. It's bad. Really bad.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That's correct but they will still get an increase. Meltzer's talked about this a couple of times.
The Elite
BOSS
Yup. I follow along with Wrasslegaf less and enjoy the PPVs more. I just come back for impressions now.
friskykillface
Banned
I just watch the royal rumble , summer slam, money in the bank and wrestlemania
Everything else I watch clips on youtube or lurk in wrassle gaf threads
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't know how anyone didn't see Corbin winning from a mile away.
He's the tallest guy in the match of course he's winning
He's the tallest guy in the match of course he's winning
Bits N Pieces
Member
I fell asleep just as they were coming out for the men's MITB match, is it worth watching tonight when I get home?
This is considered winning? Now a days?
Also like I feel you can swap raw ppv for this one and it would be the same.
Keyser Soze
Member
Even Daniel Bryan, in storyline, is commenting on the terrible quality of MitB, so no one should be sticking to their gimmick of defending the show, as WWE apparently did not want you to enjoy yourself - even if you could.
excelsiorlef
Member
Good lord when the heat is on the company in real life and not the heel wrestler in the story no one is getting worked.
The Elite
BOSS
It's a really good match.
exactly, I don't hate Carmella or Ellsworth for it I hate WWE for it.
I don't dislike Jinder for giving me the exact same ending sequence as Backlash, I hate WWE for it.
peteykirch
Member
So the collective is that if Ellsworth just either pushed one of Carmella's opponents off the ladder or dragged Carmella from outside the ring, into it and onto the ladder and shoved her up it, then 99% of everyone would be okay with it because even though a man helped her, the woman in the end grabbed the case?
Still would've meant a woman needing a man's help to win so no. I think everyone would've preferred an attempted interference, only to have Becky murder him in some huge spot.
esmith08734
Member
Carmella getting tossed the briefcase and sitting on the mat crying was the worst part. I get being emotional but that's more of a baby-face move than a heel move (basing it off Bayley and Sasha).
I have no real problem with her winning. I think she should have just won clean, however. She worked a decent match, took some solid bumps. Ellsworth could have interfered, sure, but the finish was just not a good look for WWE.
I have no real problem with her winning. I think she should have just won clean, however. She worked a decent match, took some solid bumps. Ellsworth could have interfered, sure, but the finish was just not a good look for WWE.
peteykirch
Member
It would've been the lesser of two evils.
Brian_FETO
Banned
People were already sick of Ric helping Charlotte win every single match because at a certain point it just makes her look like she can't win on her own. Obviously that's a heel move, standard heel manager stuff, but it really goes against their whole "give us a pat on the back for giving women a chance" initiative
Imagine if he just starting pinning women for her
Imagine if he just starting pinning women for her
esmith08734
Member
I don't get it. The reaction is not consistent with her character.
excelsiorlef
Member
Sure it is. She's pretending she earned it.
cucuchu
Member
Main event was easily best part of the night and awesome but Sammy Zayn looked ridiculous trying to climb the ladder. It was almost comedic how he was fighting every rung of the ladder trying to climb it. I know what he was going for but I was it was a bit much, his overselling the ascent of the ladder.
You think this is a thing where there's one right opinion and a million wrong ones? Ok.
The end of the women's MITB match is some straight bullshit. Not only is it insulting to the women and female fans, it doesn't even make sense from a rules standpoint. WWE logic is so fucking awful. I was there last night too and my girlfriend was more pissed at then ending than I was and she is a very casual wrestling fan.
Yes. Most definitely.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That is every ladder match
Tom Nook
Member
The Women's Ladder match is awesome and the women took bumps they have never done before. The ending though..... of course, Ellsworth would be involved.
On the men's side, another good match. At first, I was pissed if Naka is out the match completely, but having the face-off between Naka and AJ was awesome. Confirmation for WM 34? LOL, at "Borin Corbin" sign. I got a feeling Corbin is going to win, another unexpected winner, like Jinder and Carmella.
On the men's side, another good match. At first, I was pissed if Naka is out the match completely, but having the face-off between Naka and AJ was awesome. Confirmation for WM 34? LOL, at "Borin Corbin" sign. I got a feeling Corbin is going to win, another unexpected winner, like Jinder and Carmella.
I had picked Carmella for the win because she's just the kind of opportunistic heel that MITB works really well for. I had figured there would be Ellsworth interference, I had guessed that he'd be a distraction while Carmella climbed, or hold on to someone's foot as they tried to get to the ladder.
As long a Carmella climbed the ladder I would have been satisfied with the match.
She didn't, and so I am pissed at the company. I don't care about her and Ellsworth, I have no desire to see their comeuppance, I just won't buy any more merch or tickets. Fuck this company.
Sounds even more tacky and hamfisted than Sasha and Charlotte kicking Rusev out of the ring.
So its totally gonna happen.
cr0w
Old Member
Violence Jack
Member
I'm sure most of those watching expected some kind of Ellsworth interference. I would've been fine if he had knocked Becky off the ladder then went outside to let Carmella climb the ladder and get the briefcase herself. I would've been more than fine if Becky beat his ass for trying to interfere, only to distract her long enough to let Carmella get the case. Those are heel tactics that could've been used instead of letting a man win the match for her in a supposed "historic women's match".
ThreePiMatt
Member
Point made on Twitter, had it been Carmella who ordered Ellsworth to get the briefcase it probably would have been much more palatable.
ElRenoRaven
Member
You know Still thinking about that stupid assed match. Was playing some F13th last night with friends and one had this great idea for how they would have ended it.
You have Eilsworth start to climb the ladder and have all the ladies like lose their crap and drag him down and start just beating the crap out of him. As they are Carmella climbs the ladder and grabs the case. You get the same person winning, the rest of the ladies get to look strong by beating the crap out of Eilsworth, and it's done without making every single woman in that match look weak and without crapping all over the women's division.
You have Eilsworth start to climb the ladder and have all the ladies like lose their crap and drag him down and start just beating the crap out of him. As they are Carmella climbs the ladder and grabs the case. You get the same person winning, the rest of the ladies get to look strong by beating the crap out of Eilsworth, and it's done without making every single woman in that match look weak and without crapping all over the women's division.