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WWE Money in the Bank '17 |OT| It's A New Day!(One) Yes It Is!(H)
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Professor Beef
Banned
So we're just gonna let this Big Dog shout out slide?
*points to WrestleMania sign*
Don't you do this, Beef.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
More like a Big Dog burial.
Who could possibly take the superman punch seriously now?
UberTag
Member
I'll give the WWE all the credit in the world if they build Styles vs. Nakamura up for Mania and give them time to work their craft on the grandest stage of them all.
Instead I expect they'll give away that match unannounced on an episode of Smackdown broken up by commercials and sandwiched between a segment on "which Smackdown couple is the hottest" featuring Rusev/Lana, Ellsworth/Carmella and Mike/Maria with Breezango acting as judges and a main event featuring Cena punking out the Singh brothers.
Instead I expect they'll give away that match unannounced on an episode of Smackdown broken up by commercials and sandwiched between a segment on "which Smackdown couple is the hottest" featuring Rusev/Lana, Ellsworth/Carmella and Mike/Maria with Breezango acting as judges and a main event featuring Cena punking out the Singh brothers.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Okay, I want you to explain this clearly misogynistic bullshit. James is an active wrestler who beat AJ whilst he was champ 3 times. Outside of that him doing what was told wasn't the issue, Becky's already been booked to go over James on multiple occasions, it's established already that she's better than him so her beating him tonight wouldn't have hurt him at all.
So what's your argument? Say, in a situation where James tried to interfere and Becky took him and herself out in a big ladder spot leaving Carmella to climb the ladder to get the case. Where would be the issue?
UberTag
Member
All WWE PPVs are either A) filler as fuck or B) part-timers hog the spotlight and then bail.
It was my favourite WWE PPV last year.
Professor Beef
Banned
🤔
sf2fanatic
Member
I marked out when Corbin took out Nak. Corbin actually did something
NYR
Member
WWE won't do this because a lesser promotion already did this fight.
*points to WrestleMania sign*
Sweeney Tom
Banned
The curse of the Network, and what it's destined to be remembered for
The less you have to pay for something, the less effort they feel they have to provide for something
They'll never pay it off, and there's no women vs men matches in WWE so it's 100% guaranteed to never get paid off.
It was creatively the most stupid thing they've done yet, and this is a company that had Flair use her dead brother in an angle.
MITB last year for me only because Dean got his due and a baller AJ-Cena match
The womens match was good but that ending...yeah, I feel Vince called that shit, I would have had Ellsowrth lifting Carmella up on the ladder as a better finish.
Corbin winning, we all called that shit.
With SS likely changing things up, I think Battleground will take the knee as the SD PPV.
sf2fanatic
Member
WWE screwed up putting the Men's Mitb match after Jinder/Orton. No suspense of a cash in.
excelsiorlef
Member
Dude no one is mad or upset with Elsworth or Carmella... They aren't bigger heels because of this
No ond is getting worked...
The heat isn't on them it's on the stupid company.
This was incredible! I love how Shinsuke and AJ both countered their multi combo attack. It was sick!! This alone made the show worthwhile!
Main Event Wrestlemania. They can easily build this as THE match to watch as how Omega vs Okada built and pulled off TWO incredible bouts. TWO!!! Frigging insane.
UberTag
Member
But they're not part-timers. And they'll overshadow Triple H's 30+ minute match of the night and Roman's conation when Brock raises his arm to show how strong he is.
Can't they just get a spot in the ARMBAR instead? Or Nakamura can wrestle Shane!
Would you say he's generic?
JesseEwiak
Member
There is also the small matter of them not being stars to anybody outside of the hardcore audience still watching, but I know, wrestling should be about how many snowflakes a match will get instead of how much money it'll draw.
Not even getting into the hilarity of a bunch of people wanting a Wrestlemania to be main evented by a 37 year old and 40 year old after always complaining about the WWE never pushing young guys, but as always, it's proof smart fans are the biggest hypocrites - just like the 8 year old wearing a bunch of Cena gear, they just want the people they like to win all the time and the people they don't like to lose all the time.
How many times does he need to be coronated?
UberTag gets it.
But that was a great moment. Them moving the ladder to WORK STRONG STYLE. So good.
JesseEwiak
Member
How many wrestlers does the Internet like?
I see what you did there.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
To be fair, Jesse, wrestling is not going to make a shit-ton of money from casuals anymore because most casuals realized wrestling is at least kind of stupid. WWE has built up Roman for years, now, and is not making anything remotely near peak-Cena money from him (even Dean was drawing better than him at some points, iirc, for whatever reason) despite him pretty consistently delivering in-ring in a way Cena never did this early in his career. They might as well embrace being a company that caters mostly to smarks sooner, rather than later, because they're not going to make big bucks off of their next TV deal with how shitty their ratings are lately.
sf2fanatic
Member
Cena is going to Raw. Trips needs him thereThe plan Jinder dropping it to...
UberTag
Member
Roman needs to be coronated infinity times until we finally accept him as the greatest wrestler in history and he retires all of the mainstays from the business. He started with Taker and will continue that streak against Lesnar, The Rock and Cena until he eventually retires himself while putting nobody over and the WWE can finally close up shop.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
lol at that Women's MITB finish, holy fuck they're stupid. There were plenty of ways they could've gone with having Carmella win in part thanks to Ellsworth but not like that.
Guessing Charlotte wasn't allowed to do a spot off a ladder.
Guessing Charlotte wasn't allowed to do a spot off a ladder.
excelsiorlef
Member
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Has anyone replaced the sax in Lana's theme with farts yet?
The only Roman Reigns reference I've seen outside of WWE was on "Adam Ruins Everything." The bit was someone wanted a Rock DVD for Christmas, but got one of his cousin instead. To which they said, "But Roman Reigns sucks!"
So if Roman is known outside WWE, it's could very well be as Rock's less cool cousin. Which isn't exactly the sort of rep that puts butts in seats.
Dark Ninja
Member
I actually liked the PPV. Crowd was hot for most of it. Jinder vs Orton was pretty good. Great finish for the women's MITB, hilarious. Im surprised Ellsworth didn't take a table spot but his feud with Becky continues. Briefcase works great for Carmella and Ellsworth's gimmick.
Nakamura and Styles staring at each other is the reaction Vince always looks for when they put Orton and Cena in the ring in a face off and the crowd is completely silent.
Nakamura and Styles staring at each other is the reaction Vince always looks for when they put Orton and Cena in the ring in a face off and the crowd is completely silent.
TheSkullPrince
Member
Argument? Dawg, what the hell are you talking about lmao? I don't think Becky beating up Ellsworth is a good thing at all, it's why I compared it to Bryan and the HBK situation as that didn't do anything for Bryan. Secondly, where did I say I this wasn't fucked up? In my previous post I straight up said Ellsworth grabbing the briefcase was fucked up.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=241189896&highlight=#post241189896
You need to actually relax and actually read posts.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Just woke up and saw the results.
I'm not sure how great it looks for the person to grab the first ever women's mitb to be a dude
I'm not sure how great it looks for the person to grab the first ever women's mitb to be a dude
Professor Beef
Banned
I absolutely would love to see Ellsworth get his ass beat all over the arena. Give him some more boos!
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Lazy C&P...
Yeah, I don't have a problem with Ellsworth being involved in the Women's MITB finish... Just not that way and execution that does nothing to transfer heat to Carmella like they should be doing in a manner of people tuning in or buying tickets to see a heel get their comeuppance, it's instead generating "I don't want to follow this anymore" reaction and for good reason, especially with a company with an eroding audience who so wants to draw in the female demo. I would LOVE to know who booked that finish.
At worst it should've borrowed the TLC 2 finish at WM17 with Carmella on Ellsworth's shoulders and her grabbing it. Then allow her to escape as at least a couple women, specifically ones he knocked off the ladder get some immediate pay back.
EDIT: Someone also pointed out the angle with Kane helping Rollins which would've worked too.
Haha I remember that, I LOL'd when I saw it.
Yeah, I don't have a problem with Ellsworth being involved in the Women's MITB finish... Just not that way and execution that does nothing to transfer heat to Carmella like they should be doing in a manner of people tuning in or buying tickets to see a heel get their comeuppance, it's instead generating "I don't want to follow this anymore" reaction and for good reason, especially with a company with an eroding audience who so wants to draw in the female demo. I would LOVE to know who booked that finish.
At worst it should've borrowed the TLC 2 finish at WM17 with Carmella on Ellsworth's shoulders and her grabbing it. Then allow her to escape as at least a couple women, specifically ones he knocked off the ladder get some immediate pay back.
EDIT: Someone also pointed out the angle with Kane helping Rollins which would've worked too.
The only Roman Reigns reference I've seen outside of WWE was on "Adam Ruins Everything." The bit was someone wanted a Rock DVD for Christmas, but got one of his cousin instead. To which they said, "But Roman Reigns sucks!"
So if Roman is known outside WWE, it's could very well be as Rock's less cool cousin. Which isn't exactly the sort of rep that puts butts in seats.
Haha I remember that, I LOL'd when I saw it.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
My fiancée was actually angry at how that ended. A man had to decide the result of the MITB Women's ladder match and she's a casual fan.
She is legit angry.
Every single woman that I know that's a fan of wrestling is just angry at them right now.
This isn't heat.
This isn't "ooo, controversy".
It's shit writing and shitting on your female fans because Vince had to Vince.
Bu-bu-bu-but "As long as you're reacting." The poor optics be damned. Smarks, industry commentators, and people inside WWE will defend it by saying it "got people talking" and "got heat," as they all continue to operate under the false notion that any publicity is good publicity.
Would not be surprised if for some women (and even some men, to be sure) this was the last night they tune into WWE.
i cancelled my wwe network sub. fuck 'em.
UberTag
Member
The way to send a message to Vince is to cancel Network subscriptions and to NOT accept invitations for free months.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
And as I pointed out before, it's not gonna get me to tune in to see what happens, because there's no man vs woman matches in WWE. There will never be a conclusion to any male vs female fueds, see also: Steph vs any male wrestlers. I already fucking know there's going to be zero fuck all payoff, Ellsworth's heel character won't get his comeuppance because the female characters can never have a match against him.
If they wanted to do the manager wins the MITB for their client moment, they should have done it with a woman manager. Full stop. That'd be actual reaction and heat.
If they wanted to do the manager wins the MITB for their client moment, they should have done it with a woman manager. Full stop. That'd be actual reaction and heat.