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Actress Daniele Watts reported for lewd acts, goes nuts at police investigating
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It's understandable, not reasonable. I think it's great that so many people are humble and relected enough to state that they were wrong and apoligize for it instead of just vanishing or trying to find way to lessen the shame by undermining those who rightfully told everyone to wait on the other side of the story. That should happen more often in all kind of discussions.
Don't hold back bolding the last part of is post too. In this specfic case there were clearly something missing.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Wow title change brought me back in.
I took her side at the on-set, and I see that I was wrong. She seems to have grievances and is a very aggressive person, from the audio file.
Apologies.
I took her side at the on-set, and I see that I was wrong. She seems to have grievances and is a very aggressive person, from the audio file.
Apologies.
stufte
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Ok, then understandable. I agree with you.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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I am totally unfamiliar with her incident, just out of curiosity, I want to ask: Did she refuse to show her ID to the cops as well?
Calamari41
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I don't think the problem is that people thought she was telling the truth and ended up being wrong. The problem was the intensely toxic environment of the early thread which resulted in someone who wanted to wait for the full story being banned after a huge dog pile.
No wonder these types of threads tend to be echo chambers. Nobody who was wrong needs to apologize. Only apologize if you chastised someone for disagreeing and wanting to wait for the full story to come out.
No wonder these types of threads tend to be echo chambers. Nobody who was wrong needs to apologize. Only apologize if you chastised someone for disagreeing and wanting to wait for the full story to come out.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I kept it because it's true, but in this story, no one knew what that missing part was. Someone propping themselves up for being right in this case means they didn't do anything but assume she was lying so they could wait for the other shoe to drop. It's not a "he said, she said" thing here as much as a "I'll be back to gloat when I'm right" situation.
finowns
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Agreed. These threads tend to feel very scripted and when a poster gets off script it offends a lot of people.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I think something people are not understanding about where those of us who don't sit back and wait for all of the facts before giving our opinions is that we're not HAPPY when incidents of people being embarrassed, hurt, or killed by police are reported. We're not counting points on a scorecard thinking "Yes! Another one for the record book!" This actress being shown to be lying is in some ways a sigh of relief.
The issue is that no matter how many PROVEN incidents of wrongdoing there are, some people will continue to treat them as isolated incidents and not as representative of institutionalized inequality.
It's gotten to the point where I treat reports like this with weary resignation, not outrage or disbelief.
The issue is that no matter how many PROVEN incidents of wrongdoing there are, some people will continue to treat them as isolated incidents and not as representative of institutionalized inequality.
It's gotten to the point where I treat reports like this with weary resignation, not outrage or disbelief.
stufte
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So when there are two parties involved, and you only hear from one of them, you think that NO ONE KNEW WHAT THE MISSING PART WAS?
Are you joking or are you being intellectually dishonest on purpose?
DoktorEvil
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Right.
I wrote a full explanation why this article was slop.
You proceed to ignore why I said it's slop and continue trying to justify/posture that "someone" wanted to gloat when the article revealed more context.
I must get the selective reading that you have.
Stutte, dont even bother. He's being intellectually dishonest.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Labor explained it better than me right above your post. It's just weird to me to see people act like this is about scoring points or being right rather than discussing the story itself and its impact on all of us.
Also I feel like a person immediately distrusting minorities when they interact with cops sets off alarms for me. Look at this post in the Utah sword guy thread: http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130174259&postcount=263. The guy's own white family didn't believe all the stories until it actually happened to them. I feel like the immediate distrust in this story came from similar thought processes.
DoktorEvil
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That's a pretty high horse you ride in on, Camelot.
Cool. You keep ignoring my posts. Im glad to know that you can shit post without actually saying anything offense.
Thanks for the tip.
stufte
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Who is happy or scoring points? Labor is the only one I saw "scoring points"
Friggin' projection, man.
Zen_Arcade
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Oh please, a page ago you were subtly insulting me for no reason. You didn't try to discuss anything with me, you were perfectly content jumping straight to an insult.
If they were previously attacked for their stance it kind of makes sense that they'd feel the need to point out that they were right.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You were trying to talk about being better than us at discussing this when your initial contributions were all just along the lines of "I'm right, and I'll wait until all the facts to know it." When you say others are jumping to conclusions, it's fair to turn that same magnifying glass back onto yourself.
I agree.
DoktorEvil
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That's a really dumb opinion to have.
Zen_Arcade
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No, I don't care that you had an opinion about the situation, my problem is when people who hold your opinion endlessly insult people because they don't agree with you.
My initial contribution didn't come earlier because I saw how people who were sharing my opinion were being treated. I would have gotten insulted by someone then just like I got insulted by someone in the post of mine you quoted.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Which response will satisfy you
"I will hereby withhold my opinion until stutte decrees there are sufficient facts to have one"
"All point systems are to be abolished in favor of a two-party right/wrong index"
"Institutionalized racism may exist once enough data has been gathered"
"Everyone who was wrong earlier may admit to it, but not forget it"
EmptySpace
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no, but the magnitude of her lie should be a shining example of waiting for conclusive evidence before going on a witch hunt, and to not easily fall for anecdotal evidence.
cop could've lost his career, savings, pension, the future of his family all because of a lie. the power of a public backlash could even spell danger on his family's lives, not to mention the perception of people around them.
it is always best to wait for more info, more than anything. that doesn't mean you can't say your piece about the issue, but that also shouldn't mean there should be a mob mentality and just shoot down those who question or disagree with it. some people have even went on as far as researched the legality of requiring id and went to such great lengths to defend the supposed victim.
as for me, she sounded oversensitive at first. you'd think she reflected on her mistakes but she actually made a big thing out of it after the fact. she totally used the cop and that incident to her advantage. good thing there are recorders.
reminds me of the movie jagten/the hunt.
Calamari41
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I would say that the people who were slamming and, uh, banning posters who ended up being right are the ones who originally treated this like it was about scoring points.
Son of Cervantes
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I'm bailing out of this thread. It's devolving into people sniping at each other.
Daniele Watts sucks.
Daniele Watts sucks.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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That last one....that....I just added.
stufte
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None of those?
How would any of those responses add to this discussion in a meaningful way?
Every post you make drips with seething sarcastic contempt.
Calamari41
41 > 38
How about "I will not go fucking HAM on someone just because they want to wait until there is more information before joining the mob"
Considering there are cops who have actually killed children and gotten away scott free, I sincerely doubt this police officer was in any danger.
Anyway, I'm glad the truth came to light. It's unfortunate that this occurred.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I think the disconnect early in this thread is that the some people are hyper-aware of how people respond to stories of minorities vs cops, like "why didn't she just do what he said" even though she didn't have to.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Officerrob
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"I serve freedom and love"....LOL
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Sàmban;130180850 said:
Click on the two links provided in the OT, in chronological order, (Read the Variety article first, then listen to the TMZ audio clips) Honestly other than that, there's nothing else to see here.
DoktorEvil
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Officerrob
Banned
Welp...
finowns
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Vastly different case.
stufte
Member
He/she knows that.
Byakuya769
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How long do you think you'll get away with insulting liu kang?
Foxy Fox 39
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Calamari41
41 > 38
What is this?
Are you saying that we shouldn't have waited for the cop's account here after all?
DoktorEvil
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I don't like being ignored and I don't appreciate being insulted back handedly . He won't answer a single question or acknowledge a single statement I wrote.
It's oranges and apples. Actual racial injustice happening in Missouri vs a snotty actress in California.
I'm not so insensitive to compare the two.
So some witnesses now say that she was having sex with her boyfriend with the door open...according to TMZ?
She's incredibly annoying, but shouldn't we wait for more credible sources before declaring anything?
And I really fucking hate the way she plays the race card within two fucking seconds of getting questioned. She sounds so full of herself. Probably thought she was being a "defender of civil-rights" when in reality she's just another selfish celebrity. People like this make it harder for true vitcims of racism to be taken seriously.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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^ Yup, you pretty much got it all, except she wasn't cooperating with the police at all, it really didn't matter what she was or wasn't doing, she was called on by (I think more than one party) for lewd acts in public. The cop was just following regular (Cali State) protocol by asking for her ID, she refused to show, and decided to walk away from the officer.
I've been in both situations, where I was told to show ID (because someone reported me) and I called someone on the cops in a different incident (where again I was told to show ID) Trust me, both times things move along a lot smoother for you and the cops if you show a basic level of cooperation.
Having said all these, I am not African-American living in the US.
I've been in both situations, where I was told to show ID (because someone reported me) and I called someone on the cops in a different incident (where again I was told to show ID) Trust me, both times things move along a lot smoother for you and the cops if you show a basic level of cooperation.
Having said all these, I am not African-American living in the US.
I think the point they are trying to make is they are tired of posters getting dogpiled on for having a different opinion then the majority.
Taking the side of one person without any evidence is unreasonable. It doesn't matter what the precedent is. The moment you think, "well, it's cops and she's a minority and there's been incidents of some cops doing bad things... these cops are bad." It's horrible logic. It's the definition of jumping to conclusions.
The cornerstone of "justice" is evidence. Without it we would act on our basic emotions.
Asking for more information, evidence, etc. regarding the situation is never a wrong position to take unless the evidence so far explains the situation. Guy with sword shot in the back? The overwhelming possibility of the cops shooting a man running away is almost certain. Only some weird hat trick can make it other wise. The amount of reaching it goes to discredit someone or "brand" them is mindbogglingly sad. Instead of trying to assume the person's character why not entertain the idea of there's not enough evidence. If you strongly feel otherwise don't converse with that person on that subject.
Who said it is always or never anything? Generally posters who have little to no information/wrong information are the standard posters who chime in on threads with the "wait for more information!" tagline. They are generally getting their sources from white supremacists websites, or other dubious information as well. Its clockwork.
While waiting for all information is literally a great idea, and no one here is saying it isn't. On neogaf, and in discussion in real life; Certain issues have an abundant amount of 'facts' that are on the table to cast the police in a negative light (And its usually video/audio/reporters documentation of police abuse) And we will still have the mindset that ignores all of these things, to blindly give the police the benefit of the doubt because of a bias. That bias is clear when the facts are indeed on the table, and the posters decide to continue their campaign of trying to share the blame of an incident, making up scenarios where the victim got themselves shot, etc. Its a myriad of behavior that comes with "wait for the facts."
People that genuinely feel that there isn't enough information, usually don't cite statistics of black crime from Stormfront, proving that blacks create their own problems. Its always something suspect in the history, not just standing behind the idea of waiting for all facts.
You're getting some impression that someone is telling you that literally waiting for facts, and only doing that, that is it, is a bad thing. No, that is not a bad thing. Now, waiting out facts is another thing. You have facts on the table, but you still want to wait for the version your bias wants to come true. This is what happens with the general people from this camp, as its obvious for other posters. You have all members who make judgement calls in threads. I don't roll my eyes if X poster who isn't always the same person "waiting out the facts", suggests it.
its a shame this one thing happened, because it will be fuel for people who want to continue to harbor bias in these discussions. Despite being shot while handcuffed on the ground-- the facts have to come in...
The question isn't if its right or wrong, but the question is if its from a general place of concern/decision or the same pattern of bias over and over and over and over. You aren't defending some god given right to assess the situation, no one would say assessing a situation is bad.
This is nothing but steps backwards for the community/awareness. This is a legit problem that happens to a lot of people. But, it will be downplayed because of this 1 idiot. As will future instances of anything, because there will always be the "remember that one time though? How do we know it isn't the same!" regardless of information.
As I said, if someone can articulate what facts they're waiting for, and those facts are potentially relevant enough to change what we already know, I have no problem with someone making that statement. It's a perfectly valid stance to take.
Unfortunately, people often make that statement without articulating what they're waiting for, and it turns into "I'm waiting for something to vindicate my boy". This has happened in a lot of threads and is why people are generally hostile to the statement. Doesn't excuse slamming someone who uses this correctly, this is simply explaining why people made that mistake here.
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